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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MiloMorai on July 25, 2023, 06:26:56 AM
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It is not just in the USA that record high temperature have been seen but around the world.
Not here tho which so far this summer has been fairly mild with one week with high temperature but not record highs.
What has your summer been, weather wise, like this year?
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Hot. :cool:
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Triple digit heat index for days on end..
Early morning is about it for outdoor activity
Have to feel for those that have to work out in it daily
Counting the days for the 1st cool front sometime in nov..
Eagler
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This doesn't feel as hot as the summer of 1983.
I think someone played with how they calculate or average and that every succeeding year will have "higher figures" even if it does not rise further.
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Colorado's summer so far has been slightly cooler and significantly wetter than a typical year. I think typical rainfall average for the year is 17", and many places have already exceeded their average annual totals. I think only 2% of the State was still considered "in drought" (far SE corner). Much of the grass around here is still green; by this time of year typically it would be turning brown.
We're back in a hot week now though with daily highs in the upper 90s.
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West Virginia has been relatively cool. May and June were very cool and dry. Only in the last 3-4 weeks has the humidity returned. This week are expecting a return to somewhat normal summer temps in the 90s.
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We have had hotter years. The change seems to be less educated people. They do not read and just believe anything they are told.
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We have had hotter years. The change seems to be less educated people. They do not read and just believe anything they are told.
It seems every year they forget that summers are hot!
I've seen it about 100° max in FL where Im at. Doubt it will get any hotter than that. Should cool off slightly by Sept. Higher heats in FL usually bring the rain that cools it off a bit.
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In my nowadays residence at SE Europe, we went from prolonged winter to hot summer in less than a week. Daily temperatures jumped from around 15°C(59°F) to 32°C (90°F) over few nights. Then in July regularly 38°C (100F) so I decided it's perfect time for a road trip up to north. Now I'm writing this not so far from Polar Circle and temps are from 15°C(59°F) at nights up to 25°C (77°F) during the day. Almost too cool for me.
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It seems every year they forget that summers are hot!
I've seen it about 100° max in FL where Im at. Doubt it will get any hotter than that. Should cool off slightly by Sept. Higher heats in FL usually bring the rain that cools it off a bit.
Your winters are fantastic. Used to spend my winter vacations in FL at late 80s and early 90s. Was living in Finland and got enough of snow and ice.
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Teh erf has a fever.
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Meanwhile in Phoenix:
PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - Our relentless heat wave continues on Monday as records continue to fall. So far, Phoenix already passed 110 degrees with a record tying high of 116, so the record streak of 110+ degree days in a row now stands at 25 days. We had a morning low of 94 degrees, making it 14 days in a row with lows of 90 degrees or above, doubling the record of a week set back in July into August of 2020.
The streak of 115 degree days in a row ended on Saturday, tying the record of 6 days set back in June of 2021. Our Excessive Heat Warning has been extended until Thursday night for Phoenix and most Southern Arizona.
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We have had hotter years. The change seems to be less educated people. They do not read and just believe anything they are told.
exactly
"hottest day EVER ON EARTH!"
No way to verify that, but modern methods being used only existed since 1979.
nothing is abnormal. These heat waves have happened throughout history and it takes only 1 minute to look it up.
We have an el nino year. Those vary in intensity.
Just weather patterns. It's all normal
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Your winters are fantastic. Used to spend my winter vacations in FL at late 80s and early 90s. Was living in Finland and got enough of snow and ice.
Yup, real nice here in the winter for sure. It's hilarious though that people who have lived here for a while think its blistering cold 😆
Meanwhile in Phoenix:
PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - Our relentless heat wave continues on Monday as records continue to fall. So far, Phoenix already passed 110 degrees with a record tying high of 116, so the record streak of 110+ degree days in a row now stands at 25 days. We had a morning low of 94 degrees, making it 14 days in a row with lows of 90 degrees or above, doubling the record of a week set back in July into August of 2020.
The streak of 115 degree days in a row ended on Saturday, tying the record of 6 days set back in June of 2021. Our Excessive Heat Warning has been extended until Thursday night for Phoenix and most Southern Arizona.
Did you know that Phoenix, or AZ, would have less molecules and CO2 in its local atmosphere than say, Florida, which is way more populated and would have way more C02 and particles in the atmosphere since it's located closer to water sources, closer to the equator, so as to have a tropical climate. Based on the current understanding of "climate change" wouldn't you find it strange that AZ is hotter than FL?
Just sayin :D
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AZ is not "hotter" than FL, if you refer to the average annual statewide temperature. The average long-term statewide annual temperature of AZ is 59.7°F, according to the Arizona State Climate Office. The statewide annual average temperature of Florida was 72.5°F in 2022, according to a report from the Florida Climate Center. (BTW that's 2.3° warmer than the long-term average from the 20th century). Quite a bit warmer than AZ if you average temperatures over the year.
Now in terms of summertime record "hot" temperatures, no, I don't find it surprising that Arizona beats Florida. AZ is located in the one of the Earth's global desert belts (centered around 30N and 30S latitude). This is where most of the world's deserts occur, and where the hottest temperatures on Earth have been recorded. FL's temperature is moderated by its proximity to ocean.
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AZ is not "hotter" than FL, if you refer to the average annual statewide temperature. The average long-term statewide annual temperature of AZ is 59.7°F, according to the Arizona State Climate Office. The statewide annual average temperature of Florida was 72.5°F in 2022, according to a report from the Florida Climate Center. (BTW that's 2.3° warmer than the long-term average from the 20th century). Quite a bit warmer than AZ if you average temperatures over the year.
Now in terms of summertime record "hot" temperatures, no, I don't find it surprising that Arizona beats Florida. AZ is located in the one of the Earth's global desert belts (centered around 30N and 30S latitude). This is where most of the world's deserts occur, and where the hottest temperatures on Earth have been recorded. FL's temperature is moderated by its proximity to ocean.
Arizona has 5 climate zones. Florida has two.
Arizona has places that get very cold. The white mountains record low -40 degrees. There are mountains and very large forests, but the average temperature of Phoenix is 73.7
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Deserts also get very cold at night because there is no cloud cover to trap the earth infrared heat.
GG is correct about high elevated mountains making it cooler in that region sorta skewing the yearly avg.
All I'm saying is that the current ideal that too much CO2 in the atmosphere is making the earth too hot and that its all because of industry, is a flawed concept.
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Meanwhile in Phoenix:
PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - Our relentless heat wave continues on Monday as records continue to fall. So far, Phoenix already passed 110 degrees with a record tying high of 116, so the record streak of 110+ degree days in a row now stands at 25 days. We had a morning low of 94 degrees, making it 14 days in a row with lows of 90 degrees or above, doubling the record of a week set back in July into August of 2020.
The streak of 115 degree days in a row ended on Saturday, tying the record of 6 days set back in June of 2021. Our Excessive Heat Warning has been extended until Thursday night for Phoenix and most Southern Arizona.
Not that long ago Ice was about a mile thick there. :)
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Just remember, when the ice caps melt, everything that was a body of water 10k years ago, will once again be bodies of water. Many hones and cities eill be u der water, by a lot. Happy no climate change :)
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Just remember, when the ice caps melt, everything that was a body of water 10k years ago, will once again be bodies of water. Many hones and cities eill be u der water, by a lot. Happy no climate change :)
You mean climate fluctuation?
https://fcit.usf.edu/florida/lessons/land/land.htm#:~:text=Portions%20of%20the%20Florida%20peninsula,larger%20than%20it%20is%20now.
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Just remember, when the ice caps melt, everything that was a body of water 10k years ago, will once again be bodies of water. Many hones and cities eill be u der water, by a lot. Happy no climate change :)
The climate on this planet has always been changing ever since the planet has formed and throughout the millions of years it has been in existence. Saying man is the cause of climate change is as stupid as saying the moon is made of Limburger. Amazed how many people can be brainwashed into the wackoness. Seems to follow certain organizations also
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Arizona has 5 climate zones. Florida has two.
Arizona has places that get very cold. The white mountains record low -40 degrees. There are mountains and very large forests, but the average temperature of Phoenix is 73.7
What is your point? The posts are comparing statewide average temperatures. Not breaking it down into 'climate zones'.
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What is your point? The posts are comparing statewide average temperatures. Not breaking it down into 'climate zones'.
Well, climate zones would have an impact on statewide average temps would they not? While Oboe is correct in his statement, it is rather sorta attacking my point in a different way. AZ does get much hotter than FL, just not average throughout the year due to the mountain region. My point was that AZ gets hotter than FL because it has less compounds in the atmosphere being in a dry desert desert climate for most of the state than FL, which defeats the arguement that C02 "too many gas cars" and industry, are the cause of "climate change" making the entire world hotter. If that were the case, FL would get hotter than AZ in the summer. Im not saying his point is wrong though.
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Well, climate zones would have an impact on statewide average temps would they not? While Oboe is correct in his statement, it is rather sorta attacking my point in a different way. AZ does get much hotter than FL, just not average throughout the year due to the mountain region. My point was that AZ gets hotter than FL because it has less compounds in the atmosphere being in a dry desert desert climate for most of the state than FL, which defeats the arguement that C02 "too many gas cars" and industry, are the cause of "climate change" making the entire world hotter. If that were the case, FL would get hotter than AZ in the summer. Im not saying his point is wrong though.
So your initial post was an extreme generalization of:
" Based on the current understanding of "climate change" wouldn't you find it strange that AZ is hotter than FL?"
And now you are contradicting yourself saying we should be considering climate zones? I'm so confused.
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So your initial post was an extreme generalization of:
" Based on the current understanding of "climate change" wouldn't you find it strange that AZ is hotter than FL?"
And now you are contradicting yourself saying we should be considering climate zones? I'm so confused.
Im sure you are :rolleyes: but I had actually forgot about AZs mountainous region, so that was my bad, and would make AZ yearly cooler due to that. HOWEVER, looking at the average temps for say Orlando vs Pheonix, which are more inline with the point I am making. You can clearly see that Pheonix has about a 10-14 degree difference in heat in the summer, which represents the climate for those regions.
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(https://i.ibb.co/jGdkvCq/IMG-7410.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0p2gLz)
(https://i.ibb.co/mS3P03H/IMG-7397.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6xcdxD)
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Well, climate zones would have an impact on statewide average temps would they not? While Oboe is correct in his statement, it is rather sorta attacking my point in a different way. AZ does get much hotter than FL, just not average throughout the year due to the mountain region. My point was that AZ gets hotter than FL because it has less compounds in the atmosphere being in a dry desert desert climate for most of the state than FL, which defeats the arguement that C02 "too many gas cars" and industry, are the cause of "climate change" making the entire world hotter. If that were the case, FL would get hotter than AZ in the summer. Im not saying his point is wrong though.
The Gulf and Atlantic tend to moderate Florida in the summer months. The problem this year it’s that the UL winds are all jacked and are stuck in a May pattern. The winds 15k+ ought to be out of the east or southeast, this year it’s been trending from the west which pushes the regular summer thunderstorms to the east. Those storms on a normal year push east to west
. One thing I will say, if a tropical cyclone makes it into the eastern gulf, all hell will break loose. Current gulf sst’s could create something epic.
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The Gulf and Atlantic tend to moderate Florida in the summer months. The problem this year it’s that the UL winds are all jacked and are stuck in a May pattern. The winds 15k+ ought to be out of the east or southeast, this year it’s been trending from the west which pushes the regular summer thunderstorms to the east. Those storms on a normal year push east to west
. One thing I will say, if a tropical cyclone makes it into the eastern gulf, all hell will break loose. Current gulf sst’s could create something epic.
We'll be fine, I promise.
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Well, climate zones would have an impact on statewide average temps would they not? While Oboe is correct in his statement, it is rather sorta attacking my point in a different way. AZ does get much hotter than FL, just not average throughout the year due to the mountain region. My point was that AZ gets hotter than FL because it has less compounds in the atmosphere being in a dry desert desert climate for most of the state than FL, which defeats the arguement that C02 "too many gas cars" and industry, are the cause of "climate change" making the entire world hotter. If that were the case, FL would get hotter than AZ in the summer. Im not saying his point is wrong though.
You forgot that water moderates the temperature.
CO2 in the atmosphere has doubled in the last 200 years.
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What is your point? The posts are comparing statewide average temperatures. Not breaking it down into 'climate zones'.
My point is that not a lot of people realize that Arizona is not just Phoenix and the desert. There's a lot of mountains and forests which are a lot cooler than Phoenix and the deserts are.
So I think when most people say Arizona they think of Phoenix.
But yes, Arizona is going to be cooler than Florida. It's because Arizona has a lot of climatic zones that are much cooler than anywhere in Florida.
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You forgot that water moderates the temperature.
CO2 in the atmosphere has doubled in the last 200 years.
So why is Arizona cooler than Florida when Arizona is much drier than Florida?
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In fact Arizona is the driest state in the nation. Probably by a lot.
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You forgot that water moderates the temperature.
CO2 in the atmosphere has doubled in the last 200 years.
As they cut down more trees and clear more fields for the next shopping strip while the shopping strip across the 6 lane highway is half empty...
That is the cause of this and we are doing nothing to correct it...
Solar and evs will not stop it either
Eagler
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So why is Arizona cooler than Florida when Arizona is much drier than Florida?
Did you forget about the mountains?
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You forgot that water moderates the temperature.
CO2 in the atmosphere has doubled in the last 200 years.
There is more C02 in Orlando, FL than Phoenix, AZ. I didn't forget that. It's part of my point. Northern AZ is also much further north of the equator than FL. So that mixed with higher alts of mountains will make it cooler. Im comparing pheonix to Orlando though really. More compounds in the atmosphere like water vapor especially end up cooling the atmosphere. It's why dry desert areas are much hotter than tropical areas. Precipitation cools the atmosphere. More C02 isn't going to make the earth any hotter overall. It's what people breath. Did you know the population has also increased over 200 years? Are you saying the plants dont like it? Do you realize how large the oceans are? This planet is huge and I don't subscribe to the greenhouse theory of the earth since there are way more variables at play.
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(https://i.ibb.co/mS3P03H/IMG-7397.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6xcdxD)
Man that first pic is really nice.
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Violator, do you have actual scientific data that shows what the concentrations of CO2 are in Phoenix vs Orlando? Or are you just stating it as fact because it seems to make sense to you?
When I do searches to try to answer this question, I get links to sites that talk about how well-mixed CO2 becomes in the atmosphere, due to diffusion and dispersion caused by wind and movement of air masses. Not to mention seasonal differences due to vegetation being present in summer, but not in winter. I even found a time lapse video that shows how CO2 concentrations change in the atmosphere over the span of 1 year. Atmospheric concentrations of compounds change and disperse - we've seen powerful evidence of this with the smoke from Canadian wildfires affecting the air quality in Eastern U.S. cities like New York City.
I'll keep looking.
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The climate on this planet has always been changing ever since the planet has formed and throughout the millions of years it has been in existence. Saying man is the cause of climate change is as stupid as saying the moon is made of Limburger. Amazed how many people can be brainwashed into the wackoness. Seems to follow certain organizations also
Both can be true.
Man has harmed the planet in various ways, not just air pollution. Man is a vexation to the planet.
One fact does not make another untrue. Denial just makes life temporarily easier for those who battle with reality. Those who talk most about it seem to know the least about it factually. Some tend to think imagination o er- rides actual scientific studies. I’ll believe those who study it over those who get their info in questionable resources. Cigarettes don’t cause cancer, right?
One sides can explain their stance in great detail, one side can explain very little.mist who deny it seem to deny various subjects of facts as a pattern. Anyone who suggest pollution caused no harm is not worth a listen
The sun rises every
Morning with no harm caused? Until it swallows earth.
The problem IS, bith truths are happening together at the wrong time. Its not a binary answer
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Violator, do you have actual scientific data that shows what the concentrations of CO2 are in Phoenix vs Orlando? Or are you just stating it as fact because it seems to make sense to you?
When I do searches to try to answer this question, I get links to sites that talk about how well-mixed CO2 becomes in the atmosphere, due to diffusion and dispersion caused by wind and movement of air masses. Not to mention seasonal differences due to vegetation being present in summer, but not in winter. I even found a time lapse video that shows how CO2 concentrations change in the atmosphere over the span of 1 year. Atmospheric concentrations of compounds change and disperse - we've seen powerful evidence of this with the smoke from Canadian wildfires affecting the air quality in Eastern U.S. cities like New York City.
I'll keep looking.
Just using common sense for this one. Though I have taken a weather and climate climate class in university, and it was one of my best subjects where I received an A. So I know a little about the subject. Was a great class actually.
Usually tropical climates have more C02 and other compounds in the atmosphere due to larger amounts of precipitation and heavier wind patterns. While the humidity makes it feel hotter, it's actually cooling the atmosphere to not make it too hot, this doesnt happen in places like Pheonix. You should see some of the storms in the Orlando/Tampa area. It's like being in a giant Tesla electrical circuit. It's why they named the hockey team the Lightening. In any case, generally places with more water vapor would contain more C02 and other compounds as a rule of thumb. Thus cooling the local atmosphere because of A. Water and B. The suns heat rays bouncing off those compounds back into space. Places that are very dry usually get very hot due to less compounds, however their location from the equator does have an impact.
Yes, they do all travel due to wind patterns and break down back into their single element in theory but then generally form up with other elements and compounds so I guess it would depend on their electrical charge at the time with abundance of other compounds for it to make new compounds after they break down.
You notice that the smoke doesn't stay in New York forever, I bet it also lowered the temperature there. I believe that any abundance of compounds actually cools the earth rather than heats it due to what I described. For the entire world to become "hotter" it would take the sun to do that, as the earth would be spinning slightly closer to the sun on its path. This happens in cycles as per most everything related to science. This would also probably cause more rain and larger storms while making it much hotter in dryer places like Phoenix. It seems the world itself has been pretty good at balancing itself out though somehow someway.
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The climate hasn't changed in the last 50 years per my adult experience. I might get a different idea on the internet. LOL
Carbon Dioxide is .04% of the earth's atmosphere. It's the basis of our food. An increase in CO2 increases food production.
Climate alarmism is a political ploy to suppress the middle class.
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Just using common sense for this one. Though I have taken a weather and climate climate class in university, and it was one of my best subjects where I received an A. So I know a little about the subject. Was a great class actually.
Usually tropical climates have more C02 and other compounds in the atmosphere due to larger amounts of precipitation and heavier wind patterns. While the humidity makes it feel hotter, it's actually cooling the atmosphere to not make it too hot, this doesnt happen in places like Pheonix. You should see some of the storms in the Orlando/Tampa area. It's like being in a giant Tesla electrical circuit. It's why they named the hockey team the Lightening. In any case, generally places with more water vapor would contain more C02 and other compounds as a rule of thumb. Thus cooling the local atmosphere because of A. Water and B. The suns heat rays bouncing off those compounds back into space. Places that are very dry usually get very hot due to less compounds, however their location from the equator does have an impact.
Yes, they do all travel due to wind patterns and break down back into their single element in theory but then generally form up with other elements and compounds so I guess it would depend on their electrical charge at the time with abundance of other compounds for it to make new compounds after they break down.
You notice that the smoke doesn't stay in New York forever, I bet it also lowered the temperature there. I believe that any abundance of compounds actually cools the earth rather than heats it due to what I described. For the entire world to become "hotter" it would take the sun to do that, as the earth would be spinning slightly closer to the sun on its path. This happens in cycles as per most everything related to science. This would also probably cause more rain and larger storms while making it much hotter in dryer places like Phoenix. It seems the world itself has been pretty good at balancing itself out though somehow someway.
Nice write
However, whether we cook to death or freeze to death life us changing. Bith things can happen, in different areas. Also, the center core of earth slows and changes direction, that is happening now , also. Thst plays with math
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Just using common sense for this one. Though I have taken a weather and climate climate class in university, and it was one of my best subjects where I received an A. So I know a little about the subject. Was a great class actually.
Usually tropical climates have more C02 and other compounds in the atmosphere due to larger amounts of precipitation and heavier wind patterns. While the humidity makes it feel hotter, it's actually cooling the atmosphere to not make it too hot, this doesnt happen in places like Pheonix. You should see some of the storms in the Orlando/Tampa area. It's like being in a giant Tesla electrical circuit. It's why they named the hockey team the Lightening. In any case, generally places with more water vapor would contain more C02 and other compounds as a rule of thumb. Thus cooling the local atmosphere because of A. Water and B. The suns heat rays bouncing off those compounds back into space. Places that are very dry usually get very hot due to less compounds, however their location from the equator does have an impact.
Yes, they do all travel due to wind patterns and break down back into their single element in theory but then generally form up with other elements and compounds so I guess it would depend on their electrical charge at the time with abundance of other compounds for it to make new compounds after they break down.
You notice that the smoke doesn't stay in New York forever, I bet it also lowered the temperature there. I believe that any abundance of compounds actually cools the earth rather than heats it due to what I described. For the entire world to become "hotter" it would take the sun to do that, as the earth would be spinning slightly closer to the sun on its path. This happens in cycles as per most everything related to science. This would also probably cause more rain and larger storms while making it much hotter in dryer places like Phoenix. It seems the world itself has been pretty good at balancing itself out though somehow someway.
Ahh, OK, gotcha. University-level classes can be a real help in understanding a subject, and congratulations on the 'A'! I can only imagine how many more university-level classes people who have PhDs in atmospheric science must've taken, and how much more they must know about weather and climate because of it. Pretty amazing.
Not to discount your skepticism, I think that's a healthy part of scientific inquiry, and your intuition surely has a place as well, but I think to continue the discussion in any meaningful way we'd need actual data and facts to support or dispute your contention. I'll keep looking.
:salute
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Ahh, OK, gotcha. University-level classes can be a real help in understanding a subject, and congratulations on the 'A'! I can only imagine how many more university-level classes people who have PhDs in atmospheric science must've taken, and how much more they must know about weather and climate because of it.
Not to discount your skepticism, I think that's a healthy part of scientific inquiry, and your intuition surely has a place as well, but I think to continue the discussion in any meaningful way we'd need actual data and facts to support or dispute your contention. I'll keep looking.
:salute
As long as you take into consideration who is paying their salaries after being in tremendous debt from those Doctorate courses. Loosing your job in the field going against the grain isn't going to be beneficial.
I was just reading a story how they are trying to convince farmers in Ireland to cull 200K cows, at 65k cows per year in order to "do their part". Normally, when things are this political, pushed by powerful levels of so called "leaders", that's when I become more skeptical about what the scientist are saying because then I know an agenda is at play, rather than a healthy discussion or debate on the subject.
I'll give you a good example. My wife has a doctorate in higher education. She works for a stupid bellybutton college that is bascially putting itself out of business due to really stupid decisions by a president whose been there for way too long. Anyway, she could easily put her foot down and expose a lot of these stupid decisions to the "higher ups", but it wouldn't matter. Now she is going to through all of the stats and student reviews and they are horrendous. Almost every stat is dropping and employees are leaving in droves. My wife is looking for a new job because she is very scared the school is going to go under. Do you think those higher ups, who have doctorates, and all of that know what they are doing? Or do you think they are getting some kickback incentive while the school suffers?
So you see, its not necessarily about the "science". It's about pushing what the powers that be want, and if they think it's true, than they are going to push forward regardless of what any lower level tells them. Theres is a benefit for them, regardless of what hapoens to the society from the cause and effect chain reaction of their actions.
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Loosing your job in the field going against the grain isn't going to be beneficial.
'Losing.' (College will nick you for that.)
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'Losing.' (College will nick you for that.)
You ever wonder why most of my posts are edited? I'm typing on a phone quickly and don't re-read until I post. Also why I became a #s guy and not a writer. :D
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Climate control is what we are expected to believe is possible...just ask corrupt potato head
It's the best bogeyman since 911 and the power it allows isn't going away anytime soon...
Eagler