Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: hazmatt on November 30, 2023, 11:43:54 AM
This makes me want to go start up my 1984 CUCV with 0 emissions vehicle to help feed the plants....
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Post by: GasTeddy on December 01, 2023, 02:47:55 AM
Carbon development is beneficial for us, who are planning to have a banana farm beyond polar circle.
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Post by: Maverick on December 02, 2023, 09:41:37 AM
This climate religion has to stop. It has gotten past the conspiracy theory stage into public hysteria with full govt backing. :mad:
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Eagler on December 02, 2023, 10:03:15 AM
So if co2 is bad but oxygen is good/required and trees convert co2 to oxygen why don't we just plant more trees..and stop destroying the rainforest while they are at it
Eagler
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Meatwad on December 02, 2023, 11:08:26 AM
planting trees doesnt sell solar panels, electric cars, and "other" government backed (mandatory forced) things to shut down all fossil fuels
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: hazmatt on December 02, 2023, 11:41:33 AM
I get the feeling it's about control.
I wonder how the greenies feel about the electricity for their "electric" car coming from a coal powered power plant or that after the batteries wear out they will most likely end up in a landfill.
One of the other points that fascinates me is we hear about grids struggling to provide power and people being asked not to charge their EVs during peak times. Sounds like it's really helping.
I could go on and on but I won't. Need to go warm up my CUCV.
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Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2023, 01:50:10 PM
So if co2 is bad but oxygen is good/required and trees convert co2 to oxygen why don't we just plant more trees..and stop destroying the rainforest while they are at it
Eagler
Because decades of saving forest from fires its so great as its s natural process for healthier forest. Now all the burning that should have happened is now coming all at once. And the more co2 the more and faster that will happen. It takes 20-30 years for a tree to be decent size to cleanse the air. You’re making more co2 than the shrinking full growth tree forest and oceans can handle. Top that off with Brazil deforesting complicates it further. You’re losing filtering and oxygen, and thats is NOT. Good cycle to be in.
This climate denial thing is 100% political because it hurts the rich oil mongers. And the shallow minded swallows THEIR propaganda against the rich people profits.
Not one single issue the other side of the fence has spoken has been proven, even in the most elementary way.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
This climate religion has to stop. It has gotten past the conspiracy theory stage into public hysteria with full govt backing. :mad:
Pick any subject? Not one thing your tribe’s paranoia has spoken has ever come trur or proven to be true. Not one. You’ve been batting 0 (zero) absolutely zero fir 9 yrs now. Msybe the ussue is your tribe.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 02:06:03 PM
If I recall correctly from like 5th grade (it's been a long time)
Something like 40 million years ago CO2 levels were double what they are now and there weren't any SUVs around...
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: save on December 03, 2023, 03:37:19 PM
China is pushing 2 coal power plants online every week.
We will end up with extremes in some countries if carbon passport will get the nod, like produce no more babies, or eat a maximum of 2k calories per day, or heat homes to max 13deg C. (all have been suggested in my country by climate extremists).
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Post by: Meatwad on December 03, 2023, 07:24:17 PM
China is pushing 2 coal power plants online every week.
We will end up with extremes in some countries if carbon passport will get the nod, like produce no more babies, or eat a maximum of 2k calories per day, or heat homes to max 13deg C. (all have been suggested in my country by climate extremists).
Hilarious video by woman mocking such lunacy:
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2023, 12:56:48 AM
If I recall correctly from like 5th grade (it's been a long time)
Something like 40 million years ago CO2 levels were double what they are now and there weren't any SUVs around...
Yes. And times where it was 10 times higher than now, and plenty of plant and animal life. During time of dinosaurs, it was 4 times higher than now. During the time of early primates, 4 times higher than now.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2023, 01:12:41 AM
Effect of CO2 isn't linear. It looks like there isn't much effect from adding more CO2 into the atmosphere.
This is the energy radiated into space by the Earth, comparing zero CO2 (the green line), 400 ppm CO2 (the black line), and 800 ppm CO2 (the red line). Notice that there is almost no difference between 400 ppm (what we have now) and 800 ppm.
Effect of CO2 isn't linear. It looks like there isn't much effect from adding more CO2 into the atmosphere.
This is the energy radiated into space by the Earth, comparing zero CO2 (the green line), 400 ppm CO2 (the black line), and 800 ppm CO2 (the red line). Notice that there is almost no difference between 400 ppm (what we have now) and 800 ppm.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Shuffler on December 05, 2023, 04:07:59 PM
For some reason there were some flooding river youtube videos showed up in my feed recently. These were from India I believe. What was shocking was not the water coming down the river but all the plastic bottles and trash. The comments on the videos were full of references to all the trash. If someone wants to cut down on pollution, start with third world countries.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
Like sports, when compared to actual world rankings you really don't compete: https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-cities?continent=&country=&state=&sort=-rank&page=1&perPage=50&cities=
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: hazmatt on December 05, 2023, 06:35:14 PM
I recall back in the day the Navy was very strict about disposing of hazardous materials overboard. We would collect it all and when we stopped in the port of some 3rd would country we would give it all to somebody there who we'd pay to take care of it. They would take in off shore a bit and dump it into the ocean...
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 05, 2023, 06:47:01 PM
Yep, I got tired of the forest fire smoke, too, when I lived on the west coast. There were times when it was miserable. That's not from CO2, though.
cant control forest fires but you can control gas engines. the sad thing is back in the 80 we had a car that gave 68 miles per gallon. why cant we do better now?
semp
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 08:08:26 PM
cant control forest fires but you can control gas engines. the sad thing is back in the 80 we had a car that gave 68 miles per gallon. why cant we do better now?
semp
As the EV fails, tell us how you would "control" combustion engine use.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 09:14:34 PM
i was more like make gas engines more efficient. 68 miles in the 80's should be 200 now. tell me why it doesnt happen.
semp
Might ask those on your side, because if we were to delete the EGR valves on our trucks, our fuel mileage might double. Imagine every semi across America getting twice the fuel mileage.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 05, 2023, 10:50:02 PM
cant control forest fires but you can control gas engines. the sad thing is back in the 80 we had a car that gave 68 miles per gallon. why cant we do better now?
semp
Air quality around LA was worst in the 50's-70's, and improved a lot from there with emission controls on cars and industry.
I lived around LA from mid '80's to about 2000. The place is ringed by mountains, has onshore flow from the ocean, and temperature inversions at altitude. It is giant air-pollution trap. In the 50's, some folks suggested using underground nukes to blow a notch in the mountains to allow air flow. That would have been interesting.
The market (if you let it) gives folks what they want. If they want 68 mpg cars enough, someone would make money selling them. Lots of folks want and buy electric cars. Of course, in 2035 in CA, all new car sales will be electric (or at least that is the current plan -- we'll see if that is achievable). Air pollution in the LA basin will probably continue to improve.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: TryHard on December 06, 2023, 06:17:25 AM
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Maverick on December 06, 2023, 11:41:14 AM
IMO given the tech level we have now, EV's are not practical for our current society with unlimited travel abilities. Should some kind of law come down like prohibiting interstate or even international travel then there is a possibility that EV's with today's tech "could" be viable as basically little "town cars" suitable for daily activities like going to work and or everyday errands.
That is assuming the electrical grid is enlarged with sufficient capacity to support the load of all those vehicles and the necessary charging stations be available to service the needs of that kind of thing. Personally, I don't see that happening and the folks pushing it also do not see that happening in a free market setting. Hence the "executive orders" from both federal and some state governments requiring the peasantry participate.
The pushback and failed examples are already becoming evident that the situation cannot happen as envisioned by the promoters or politicians dictating it.
The current petroleum based system we have came about because the public saw the efficiency over animal based individual transportation and the demand drove the infrastructure construction based on the energy efficiency of oil. The Government did not require it or mandate it.
Until the tech can compete openly and perform better than oil based transportation, it is not going to happen. I see a viable hybrid system as a good compromise currently, same as based on diesel electric train tech that has been in use for multiple decades because it was cheaper and more efficient than steam.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 06, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
I'd feel edgy about getting an electric car because of fires. That fear might be irrational -- a sampling error on my part, as I see news on horrible electric-car fires but none on gas cars and fires. Also familiarity with gas cars my whole life, so less perceived risk even if not true.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: guncrasher on December 06, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Maverick on December 08, 2023, 10:10:36 AM
I really was hoping for something practical, not an experimental cut down test vehicle. That cutaway car wouldn't be street legal given the lack of full body and other equipment. Note I couldn't watch the video, all I could see was a still of the "car". My internet has been down for over 24 hours and using my phone as a hot spot doesn't work well given there is only 1 to 2 bars in my neighborhood and it only works inside my house in the kitchen window. I remember dial up working better.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: GasTeddy on December 08, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
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Post by: Meatwad on December 08, 2023, 10:55:11 AM
Can someone forge a carbon passport out of carbon paper? Asking for a friend
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: guncrasher on December 08, 2023, 12:47:30 PM
I really was hoping for something practical, not an experimental cut down test vehicle. That cutaway car wouldn't be street legal given the lack of full body and other equipment. Note I couldn't watch the video, all I could see was a still of the "car". My internet has been down for over 24 hours and using my phone as a hot spot doesn't work well given there is only 1 to 2 bars in my neighborhood and it only works inside my house in the kitchen window. I remember dial up working better.
that was a joke. all I ching was cars that gave 50mpg
semp
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: icepac on December 13, 2023, 10:57:49 AM
The future “they” think will be so awesome means eventually that all devices that use electricity will require a subscription.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: sparky127 on December 13, 2023, 12:35:48 PM
YOU'RE the carbon they want to reduce. "Climate Change" is code for "Overpopulation".
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: potsNpans on December 13, 2023, 01:05:14 PM
Does Carbon Dioxide Drive Global Warming?
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Conclusions
Individual temperature records commonly used by climatologists and paleoclimatologists show that the past 1,000 years have been marked by periodic warm and cold periods, not by a uniform climate trend. The recent warming trend since about 1850 appears to be the continuation of the warming following the Little Ice Age, rather than a sudden upsurge after a long period of relatively uniform temperatures. The detailed temperature record since 1850 shows a temperature decline between 1940 and 1970, which flies in the face of the explanation that a continuous exponential increase in carbon dioxide causes global warming. And the simultaneous record of temperature and carbon dioxide concentration in ice cores indicates that carbon dioxide concentration changes after temperature changes, not before, indicating that carbon dioxide is the result, not the cause, of global warming.
They provided evidence that the earth is thousands of years old, not billions. That dinosaurs lived at the same time as man. That the world’s population was reduced to eight souls in the Flood and has grown to billions within the last few thousand years.
He's a creationist, just saying...
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2023, 04:24:44 PM
I just read a story about the slow down in shipping through the Panama Canal because of climate change. They mentioned lack of rain. I laughed as the water is from the oceans. Climate change cage rattlers are always saying the oceans will rise because of ice melt. Seems they are getting their stories all crossed up.
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Post by: GasTeddy on December 13, 2023, 04:37:17 PM
I just read a story about the slow down in shipping through the Panama Canal because of climate change. They mentioned lack of rain. I laughed as the water is from the oceans. Climate change cage rattlers are always saying the oceans will rise because of ice melt. Seems they are getting their stories all crossed up.
Water levels go down and weather warmer because Lrrr from Omicron Persei 8 is stealing our water (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/extraordinary-footage-shows-ufos-sucking-9683378).
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Vulcan on December 13, 2023, 05:57:59 PM
I just read a story about the slow down in shipping through the Panama Canal because of climate change. They mentioned lack of rain. I laughed as the water is from the oceans. Climate change cage rattlers are always saying the oceans will rise because of ice melt. Seems they are getting their stories all crossed up.
Apparently the canal uses fresh water. Shoulda checked google first ;)
fwiw I also learned that the worlds oceans are different heights... sea level is not the same everywhere.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Meatwad on December 13, 2023, 09:00:59 PM
Water levels go down and weather warmer because Lrrr from Omicron Persei 8 is stealing our water (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/extraordinary-footage-shows-ufos-sucking-9683378).
At least it isnt human horns
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Shuffler on December 14, 2023, 09:11:23 AM
Apparently the canal uses fresh water. Shoulda checked google first ;)
fwiw I also learned that the worlds oceans are different heights... sea level is not the same everywhere.
Pssst that is why they have locks. Heck the Great Loop has more than 100 locks on it. We designed and are building a 65 foot yacht, mission built for the Great Loop. Now it will be able fine for open water crossings too. It has to meet certain criteria specific to the Great Loop.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Maverick on December 14, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
While the Panama Canal does have locks, the design of the entire project was made in the beginning of the 1900's. The lake itself is an artificial construct made to supply the canal with some if not all of the water needed for operation in dry spells. The locks only drain away from the lake, making the water use a one time thing per passage. Unfortunately the design didn't take in the concept of conservation.
https://www.worldatlas.com/lakes/lake-gatun.html
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: potsNpans on December 14, 2023, 04:13:21 PM
Vulcan
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He's a creationist, just saying...
Because he is a creationist, based on scientific evidence. Which he believes is congruent with a Biblical word view. Is your argument that evidence or hypotheses be summarily dismissed by people of certain beliefs? Many scientist's reject man made global warming. If they're correct why the carbon passports.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Meatwad on December 14, 2023, 05:42:02 PM
To shuffle $$$ into the pockets of certain people AKA legalized money laundering
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Vulcan on December 14, 2023, 05:52:47 PM
Vulcan Because he is a creationist, based on scientific evidence. Which he believes is congruent with a Biblical word view. Is your argument that evidence or hypotheses be summarily dismissed by people of certain beliefs?
Creationism requires the disbelief or denial of fact - not a great trait for a scientist. Creationism that believes the universe is less than 10000 years old is not a requirement for Christian beliefs.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: GasTeddy on December 15, 2023, 02:27:43 AM
This reminds me about December 2014. I was in the office of one heck of a famous surgeon discussing about possibilities and options to rebuild my shattered lower back. Suddenly he asked me if I'm a creationist. As his question was rather amusing me, he told it's necessary to explain certain facts very different way to creationists not to offend them.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: potsNpans on December 15, 2023, 08:22:16 AM
As much as I'd like to turn this thread into a origins of life theories discussion, I will say the last 2 posts are logical fallacies. Are Carbon passports to curb human behavior the answer because man jeopardized life on earth by using hydrocarbon.
Two articles which present other sizeable CO2 release into the atmosphere.
Deep CO2 in the end-Triassic Central Atlantic Magmatic Province https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15325-6 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15325-6)
"In fact, a single short-lived CAMP magmatic pulse (ca. 105 km3 erupted over 0.5 kyrs)21,22,23 may emit about 5 × 1016 mol CO2, roughly the same total amount of projected anthropogenic emissions over the 21st century, according to the Representative Concentration Pathway 4.5" So it reports that even one volcanic event can release as much co2 as humans the entire 21st century.
Unexpected large evasion fluxes of carbon dioxide from turbulent streams draining the world’s mountains https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12905-z (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12905-z)
If the earth is responsible for CO2 emissions that can act as a thermal influence, another article suggest earths mechanics can regulate temperature.
Earth's Climate Thermostat https://www.icr.org/article/earths-climate-thermostat "A Climate Thermostat
In March of 2001 a significant paper by Richard Lindzen of MIT was published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society which addresses the cloud-cover feedback mechanism. Dr. Lindzen has been a long-time critic of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and a highly respected researcher in the atmospheric sciences. His paper reports that clouds in the tropics respond to warmer sea-surface temperatures (SST) by permitting long-wave radiation to space to increase, causing greater cooling of the atmosphere. This negative feedback mechanism would more than cancel all the positive feedbacks included in the more sensitive current climate models.
Dr. Lindzen calculated the average SST as a function of cloud cover and found a strong negative relationship. His explanation for the negative relationship is that warmer SSTs lead to higher humidities and greater convective activity. This greater convective activity is more efficient in creating rainfall, leaving less moisture to form cirrus anvils which prevent long-wave radiation from escaping to space. Consequently, warmer SSTs lead to more rapid cooling of the atmosphere and stabilization of the earth's temperature. "
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: -gg- on December 15, 2023, 09:00:04 AM
Here's what I think is funny.
They say they want to "save the planet" but the planet will be fine whether we're here or not. They want less people They want to place punitive measures in place that cause more people to suffer and struggle to live
Everything "they" want to do leads back to punishing people, redistributing wealth and reducing the population and/or making the plebes live with a lot loss - all in the name of saving the planet.
The planet will be fine no matter how warm the climate gets. All of this is about controlling the population in some form or another .
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2023, 10:19:51 AM
We used to let natural selection help control population. Things like falling off cliffs, people laying in the road, and hanging off bridges. We need to stop protecting those types and let natural selection proceed.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2023, 12:50:38 PM
They say they want to "save the planet" but the planet will be fine whether we're here or not. They want less people They want to place punitive measures in place that cause more people to suffer and struggle to live
Everything "they" want to do leads back to punishing people, redistributing wealth and reducing the population and/or making the plebes live with a lot loss - all in the name of saving the planet.
The planet will be fine no matter how warm the climate gets. All of this is about controlling the population in some form or another .
Excellent point, well made.
They are, indeed, mainly anti-humanists.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Maverick on December 16, 2023, 09:42:27 AM
Regarding anti-humanism, the other day I saw an article published by some "climate scientist" that claimed humans exhale 2 gasses that are severely detrimental to the climate. One was nitrous oxide and I can't recall the other offhand. The article was blatantly anti-human since our mere existence was killing the planet so I pretty much dismissed it as another chicken little BS statement.
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Post by: GasTeddy on December 16, 2023, 10:11:23 AM
Regarding anti-humanism, the other day I saw an article published by some "climate scientist" that claimed humans exhale 2 gasses that are severely detrimental to the climate. One was nitrous oxide and I can't recall the other offhand. The article was blatantly anti-human since our mere existence was killing the planet so I pretty much dismissed it as another chicken little BS statement.
:confused: ... :rofl So let's just all stop breathing and the planet will be saved!
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: sparky127 on December 16, 2023, 10:47:18 AM
About twenty years ago the Sierra Club released an official statement on sustainable population. It has since been completely scrubbed from existence and if anyone can provide an official number, I'd like to see it.
At that time their number was 600,000,000.
600,000,000.
Think about that number.
600,000,000 / 7,000,000,000 = 91.5% reduction from current population.
This is what you need to make happen in order to please your betters.
Get to it.
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: Meatwad on December 16, 2023, 11:58:28 AM
The ones that think that also think that others should do it and not them
Title: Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
Post by: -gg- on December 16, 2023, 12:13:50 PM
The ones that think that also think that others should do it and not them
Because they care nothing about the climate. They care about control. They're globalists and collectivists, and as such, enemies of the human race and of liberty.
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on December 16, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
We used to let natural selection help control population. Things like falling off cliffs, people laying in the road, and hanging off bridges. We need to stop protecting those types and let natural selection proceed.
Yep. Remove all of the warning labels. And, as in the Shakespeare play, "first thing we do is kill all the lawyers" so there are no lawsuits over it.
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on December 16, 2023, 12:22:39 PM
Creationism requires the disbelief or denial of fact - not a great trait for a scientist. Creationism that believes the universe is less than 10000 years old is not a requirement for Christian beliefs.
True.
The belief that God created the universe requires no such thing.
However, extreme cultist creationism does have such a requirement.
Christianity on a cultist level is like any other cult. It's certainly not even based on true Christianity, but rather the beliefs of some hyper controlling nut job looking for a device to control people with.
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Post by: Meatwad on December 16, 2023, 01:20:41 PM
The belief that God created the universe requires no such thing.
However, extreme cultist creationism does have such a requirement.
Christianity on a cultist level is like any other cult. It's certainly not even based on true Christianity, but rather the beliefs of some hyper controlling nut job looking for a device to control people with.
I recall reading some science based article that touched on theoretical physics or some such related science field. The scientist made the statement that the farther they got into the subject the more they were confronted with the concept of God. I'm probably "misquoting" the statement as it was quite a few years ago.
I am not an adherent of the fundamentalist version of creationism, I am more open to a less, shall I say biblical "interpretation" ie time line. Yet some parts of the creation theory are no less hard to believe than the purely secular theory that the universe was compressed into a sphere, then it spontaneously exploded. In both cases there is "room for a supreme entity / being".
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Post by: potsNpans on December 17, 2023, 04:06:29 PM
Since you put this out on an open forum, I'll briefly counter. As there is strong evidence for a young earth.
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However, extreme cultist creationism does have such a requirement.
Christianity on a cultist level is like any other cult. It's certainly not even based on true Christianity, but rather the beliefs of some hyper controlling nut job looking for a device to control people with.
Theology examines the words and context of the Christian bible and for Jews the Tanakh. "And there was evening, and there was morning— the fourth day." its determined to be a literal day cycle. A belief in a 6 day creation is not required by the Christian faith for one to be a Christian. I doubt you could name one cult that does. Secondly there is much evidence that casts shadow on evolution. Such as how is it that there has been found cellular tissue of dinosaurs un fossilized that are supposed to millions of years old, or that isotope dating requires an observer or how else can the chemical levels be measured accurately if the starting levels are not known, or has the chemical level rates of decay constant. There is much debate. Evolution or age creation grew out of the decades before Darwin and much more after Darwin.
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Post by: GasTeddy on December 17, 2023, 04:36:35 PM
Fundamentalist creationism goes to same category with flatters. Manipulated "facts", scientific "proofs" with always unnamed "specialists" etc. My son made earth from cut n' glue set in 2 days when he was 6.