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Title: 109 crash question
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2024, 09:21:32 AM
At 2:19 in this video is a crashed 109 on a beach with several ppl looking at it..



Anyone know anything about the crashed landing?

I have a photo of that 109 on that beach without the ppl all around it autographed by Galland

Thanks for any information

Eagler
Title: Re: 109 crash question
Post by: Devil 505 on January 12, 2024, 10:39:32 AM
I ran a google image search for it and found several captions claiming that it was a Bf 109E-7, W.Nr. 4091, flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille while he was in 1.(J)/LG 2. Crash landed at Calais-Marck, France on September 28, 1940.

But I do have some doubts, though.

First, the E-7 model just entering service at about this time and this plane does not have the solid capped prop spinner seen on the late E-4's and E-7's. So it seems more like a regular E-4 to me.

Second, LG 2 is known for painting their Staffel emblems on the rear fuselage. Other photos of this plane show no emblem aft of the fuselage cross. So there are no direct ties to LG 2 seen in the photos. But there are no markings to contradict the claim either.

Third, photos of this plane are found in the Jg 51 section of the Asisbiz website, not in the LG 2 section. Although, this isn't evidence of anything as that site is rife with errors in photo captions. But it is where I did find the other photos of this plane.

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG51-I/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E4-1.JG51-White-7-after-belly-landing-on-a-French-beach-1940-01.jpg)

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG51-I/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E4-1.JG51-White-7-after-belly-landing-on-a-French-beach-1940-02.jpg)

 
Nothing directly contradicts the assertion that it's Marseille's E-7, but if I wanted to skin an Emil from 1.(J)/LG 2, I wouldn't choose this plane.



Title: Re: 109 crash question
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2024, 11:09:49 AM
Thanks Devil!

Anyway Galland could have been flying it when it was shot down?

thanks

Eagler
Title: Re: 109 crash question
Post by: Devil 505 on January 12, 2024, 12:38:59 PM
No chance that Galland was flying it.

He was already Geschwader Kommodore by that point and all his planes had black command chevron markings.
Title: Re: 109 crash question
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2024, 01:49:23 PM
No chance that Galland was flying it.

He was already Geschwader Kommodore by that point and all his planes had black command chevron markings.

Thank you sir <S>

Eagler
Title: Re: 109 crash question
Post by: MiloMorai on January 12, 2024, 03:30:30 PM
It says he bailed out. The plane on the beach made a nice landing for having no pilot.