General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tumor on May 21, 2024, 04:37:40 AM
Title: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 21, 2024, 04:37:40 AM
Eagle Dynamics has delayed the Phantom another day, ON the day of release.
Usual poor performance BS from them (I don't know if it's ED or Heatblur who really did it).
I don't pull any punches for their ineptitude regarding management of releases (or discounted early access pre-purchase con)... have at it! :airplane:
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 21, 2024, 07:14:29 AM
More proof DCS is dead?! :bolt:
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 21, 2024, 07:40:09 AM
I expect it will be a very good module, on par or better than Heatblur's other modules. I preordered months ago. Silly that some will be angry about an extra day delay.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 21, 2024, 08:44:42 AM
I felt a great disturbance in the force. As if thousands of phanatics sat down with their coffee this morning (having calling in a sick day) to enjoy reveling in what they've waited so long for; only to have their hopes suddenly snuffed out when they opened their browser.
Don't pre-order kids.
Besides, where is my Kiowa?
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 21, 2024, 08:59:15 AM
The FCR zoom will be yuge for the -64.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 21, 2024, 01:59:42 PM
I expect it will be a very good module, on par or better than Heatblur's other modules. I preordered months ago. Silly that some will be angry about an extra day delay.
It's the extra day delay after the 2 month delay after the (vague) last year delay they're mad about. :devil
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 21, 2024, 02:03:24 PM
It's the extra day delay after the 2 month delay after the (vague) last year delay they're mad about. :devil
Word is this wasn't Heatblur's punt.
Always a slip between cup and lip.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 21, 2024, 02:54:18 PM
It looks pretty amazing from the videos I've seen of it so far. I spent much time in the F-14 and after a while it got very comfortable. Hope to be able to do the same in the Phantom.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: RichardDarkwood on May 21, 2024, 07:09:12 PM
I expect it will be a very good module, on par or better than Heatblur's other modules. I preordered months ago. Silly that some will be angry about an extra day delay.
Its the principle of the matter
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 21, 2024, 09:10:30 PM
Software is more intricate and complex than any non programmer or design engineer can understand. Heatblur saved Eagle Dynamics with their Tomcat imo. I preordered early, no complaints.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 21, 2024, 09:34:01 PM
I don't know. I see a lot more F-18s than F-14s, MP though. I think a whole helluva lot more people stick to SP.
You ever do an Auto Carrier landing in bad, blinding weather? Doing that stands out as one of the more exciting experiences I ever had with the Tomcat, even a little literally scary being all tensed up waiting to drive into the backside of the boat.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 21, 2024, 09:46:48 PM
I've tried carrier and land landings in all the worst weather in many aircraft. Most ended in spectacular fireballs. Weather can be a pilots greatest enemy.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2024, 07:44:09 AM
I don't know. I see a lot more F-18s than F-14s, MP though. I think a whole helluva lot more people stick to SP.
You ever do an Auto Carrier landing in bad, blinding weather? Doing that stands out as one of the more exciting experiences I ever had with the Tomcat, even a little literally scary being all tensed up waiting to drive into the backside of the boat.
Doesn't the F14 have ACLS with auto throttles? It's been many years since I've seen those lights on the nose wheel so it's a bit foggy.
I remember the F18 was supposed to be a big upgrade on the ACLS. (We had A6, F14, S3)
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 22, 2024, 08:16:13 AM
Isn't there already a F4 in DCS? Why a remake of the same plane or did I miss something?
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2024, 08:18:43 AM
There is a free flyable F-4 by VSN but the other is AI only. Until today. The F-14 does have auto throttle.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 22, 2024, 08:23:15 AM
Eagle Dynamics has delayed the Phantom another day, ON the day of release.
Usual poor performance BS from them (I don't know if it's ED or Heatblur who really did it).
I don't pull any punches for their ineptitude regarding management of releases (or discounted early access pre-purchase con)... have at it! :airplane:
Best I can say is “I told ya so”. Their model and numbers don’t work. The more delay on AC coming out, the worse it will get. Every situation will cause player confidence to drop. They aren’t dead, but future indicators and tells are emerging. Dedicated players will be the last to know. It’s becoming a bad investment. If they don’t pick up production and new planes real quick they will enter a spiral that will be hard to recover because of their payment model.
This is not new to me. Before returning to AH, 2020, I DLed DCS to find something new. As soon as I discovered their payment model I chose not to invest. I saw this coming way back then. These kind of numbers are easily imploded as soon as AC stop coming out. No new AC, no revenue, dev becomes unaffordable. The fact they sought investors is a major tell.
Obviously, Trips has pre-pay caution for a reason.
Just because past pre-pays went through that doesn’t mean future pre-pays will. Just the fact they are asking for pre-pay system is a tell they can’t afford dev. Now if all the buyers have pre-paid profit is already swallowed. The pit gets deeper.
People with vast investments will be the last to admit there are problems. Denial takes over.
This new model will prolly come out, it was in production before major problems hit. Future models is your true concern.
This payment model is easier to implode than a sub model.
Obviously, player confidence is dropping, even if its not global. That’s not where they want to be. It will make a spiral spin faster.
Its a beautiful game, but I think these cockpits swallow dev time to get AC out. Its very time consuming - expensive. I think they set their sights too high to be affordable dev., only to be smashed by a problematic payment model. They can’t afford their demands on dev. subcontractors.
If they don’t turn out 2-3 AC real quick…you can guess where this will go.
I hated watching people invest in a bad system. At some point investors are going to want a return.
I’m not in their books, its all instinct, but tells are emerging, and those are only those you know about. They are in damage control panic. They will tell you what they think you want to hear to keep you interested, then have the backlash as failing to deliver. Had Razbam not gone public, you may not see it coming. Evidently, to me, that issue has not been resolved. Some devs walked away from razbam due to not being paid because razbam was not paid. They may not be able to resolve that issue. Damage is done.
Beautiful game, horrible biz model. A shame.
When I can accurately predict something I don’t have all the facts on, good chance instincts have it nailed. I predicted this 4 yrs ago. <shrug>.
If it takes s team 6 mos to a year to turn out an AC, I’d hate to see that invoice.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: RichardDarkwood on May 22, 2024, 09:04:49 AM
Of all the crazy, deranged out of left field crap you spew at people on here
This is the only thing I agree with.
I have only been playing DCS since 2020 and the one constant thing about that game
is the company's horrible business practices.
I’ve been saying this for a yr.
Don’t beg for negative responses for laughs, and I won’t deliver your wishes.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2024, 09:22:06 AM
Pouting and throwing tantrums because they want it now is as amusing as spouting dire predictions while claiming they knew it wouldn't last years ago. All will be forgiven by the impatient very soon and the prognosticators of doom will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 22, 2024, 09:28:20 AM
Combatbox server on IL2 has a support option for their dev. Does DCS offer something like this?
https://www.patreon.com/join/combatbox
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 22, 2024, 09:37:47 AM
Pouting and throwing tantrums because they want it now is as amusing as spouting dire predictions while claiming they knew it wouldn't last years ago. All will be forgiven by the impatient very soon and the prognosticators of doom will be forgotten.
You mean the same thing dished out about AH? Sound familiar? What goes around comes around.
I hope I’m wrong, I don’t like watching friends get ripped off due to over-selling a bad system. I said all of this a yr ago.
That said AH was smashed and harmed by DCS doomsayers. Time to take what was put out. Its called karma.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 22, 2024, 09:45:43 AM
Of all the crazy, deranged out of left field crap you spew at people on here
This is the only thing I agree with.
I have only been playing DCS since 2020 and the one constant thing about that game
is the company's horrible business practices.
Depends on what you are referring to.
* I'll take buy to own rather than endless subscription any day.
* They didn't have to go spend years to clean up Oleg's WWII Kickstarter fiasco at their own expense, but they did.*
* Their modules are pricey, but extremely detailed and effort increases exponentially with complexity. It is not linear. I think the module prices are reasonable given what you receive especially given how frequent they have sells.
* I can think of pros and cons to the Halfganistan approach. I haven't taken a stand on that.
* They take too long to produce a module. Even with the complexity, they have to speed up their process.
* The WWII Asset pack made sense for a while at first, but at this point it is working against their interests.
* The Razbam thing is unclear. Everyone is going to take a side even without information. ;) I think it looks like a Razbam issue at least as believably as a ED issue. Seems to be Razbam is in some violation of contract on something and ED is withholding payment until Razbam gets back into compliance. There is as much evidence for that case as any other. Hardball, but that is business.
* Early Access program seems reasonable given the complexity of some of these platforms. We had plenty of fun with that APache before FCR came out. There would have been no point waiting for that.
* I do wonder if the whole Pre-Pay thing is more trouble that it's worth and will often lead to hard feelings. As much as I joke about the Kiowa, I've never paid a penny for it so that is a different feeling than if Poplychop already had my money for 6 months.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 22, 2024, 10:04:34 AM
Combatbox server on IL2 has a support option for their dev. Does DCS offer something like this?
https://www.patreon.com/join/combatbox
Well CB is a volunteer customer based effort.
You support ED by buying their products.
Many of the mod builders \ server admins will have a donation or Buy-Me-A-Coffee thing available.
Someone actually suggested in a thread that ED consider moving to a subscription approach. Nick Grey even addressed that in one interview. Bottom line, for a variety of reasons, they have stated ED has no intentions of moving toward a subscription model.
A few surprising outliers aside, I'd say the vast percentage of respondents were against the idea of paying a subscription. Like 95%+ against subscriptions. I prefer to pay rather than subscribe. Witholding my money until some milestone is reached is my only leverage. If they were already getting my money in subscription no matter what, even before delivering something, would they be as motivated?
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 22, 2024, 10:09:44 AM
* The WWII Asset pack made sense for a while at first, but at this point it is working against their interests.
Couple questions on this one. I hadn't heard of it before. -From what i read you can fly a B17 and drive a Tiger tank with this pack? I thought all this stuff was just AI. -How is it working against their interests?
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 22, 2024, 10:16:35 AM
Many of the mod builders \ server admins will have a donation or Buy-Me-A-Coffee thing available.
Someone actually suggested in a thread that ED consider moving to a subscription approach. Nick Grey even addressed that in one interview. Bottom line, for a variety of reasons, they have stated ED has no intentions of moving toward a subscription model.
A few surprising outliers aside, I'd say the vast percentage of respondents were against the idea of paying a subscription. Like 95%+ against subscriptions. I prefer to pay rather than subscribe. Witholding my money until some milestone is reached is my only leverage. If they were already getting my money in subscription no matter what, even before delivering something, would they be as motivated?
I agree with the 95%. I just think it would be helpful for me to be able to spend my money where I would like to see the development if I wanted to spend money. For example: -Dev number 1 is working on developing a plane that I have no interest in. Others have intrest and have an option to donate to see it completed. -Dev number 2 is working on a plane I am interested in. I'd like to be able to donate (if I want) to help see it through.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2024, 10:34:39 AM
Couple questions on this one. I hadn't heard of it before. -From what i read you can fly a B17 and drive a Tiger tank with this pack? I thought all this stuff was just AI. -How is it working against their interests?
I wasn't there at the time, but from what I can piece together, back in 2014ish time frame Oleg of IL2 fame and some other Russians were putting together a Kickstarter project to build a layer of WWII assets piggybacking on the DCS simulation framework.
This was greenlit by ED but not their project. Like how ED greenlit Heatblur to be allowed to go off and develop the F-4E. ED's license to go make the attempt, but Oleg's project to complete.
Well something went wrong at some point and the project collapsed leaving a bunch of players screwed who had donated. That wasn't ED's fault but it hurt the band image so ED had to take over finish up what was already in the works and try and find ways of compensating people who had donated with store credits and such. I think that was a mench move.
But that is why you have this weird, half-finished, strangely unfocused half implementation of DCS WWII now. I think ED's longer term vision for DCS was a BoB and then PTO packs (two of the CEO's obsessions) they probably figured fine, let Oleg do Normandy. Having to stop and go clean up that mess put them years behind their own plans for WWII. I think the coming PTO stuff will be the first glimpse at what ED itself had intended for WWII. They are probably starting with PTO to deny Combat Pilot an uncontested entry point.
With IL2 dropping the ball and moving from WWII to Korea, no might be the time for ED to make their move on WWII before Combat Pilot becomes a real threat.
The WWII Asset Pack is left over from the Kickstarter thing. It made sense early on for them to charge separately for that to recover their costs from having to finish it and it not really being part of their stuff. But by now, they must have broken even. It works against their interest by being a real drag on enticing new WWII players. No were else do you have to pay separately for the building and vehicles and AI planes you find on their other maps. It makes WWII players feel like second-class citizens in the DCS ecosystem. No F-16 pilot has to pay extra to have a BMP3 object ot put on a map to bomb.
The WWII Asset pack at this point should be free with the purchase of any WWII warbird or terrain as a bonus. Let the module\map makers kick in a surcharge to ED from their sales to cover the pack costs. IMHO it holds back DCS WWII. Like buying a new car and then they ask if you'd like tires and a steering wheel to go along with that? Wut? ;)
*The WWII Asset pack is all period style statics and AI planes like the B-17. * https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/comments)
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 22, 2024, 11:00:05 AM
* I'll take buy to own rather than endless subscription any day.
* They didn't have to go spend years to clean up Oleg's WWII Kickstarter fiasco at their own expense, but they did.*
* Their modules are pricey, but extremely detailed and effort increases exponentially with complexity. It is not linear. I think the module prices are reasonable given what you receive especially given how frequent they have sells.
* I can think of pros and cons to the Halfganistan approach. I haven't taken a stand on that.
* They take too long to produce a module. Even with the complexity, they have to speed up their process.
* The WWII Asset pack made sense for a while at first, but at this point it is working against their interests.
* The Razbam thing is unclear. Everyone is going to take a side even without information. ;) I think it looks like a Razbam issue at least as believably as a ED issue. Seems to be Razbam is in some violation of contract on something and ED is withholding payment until Razbam gets back into compliance. There is as much evidence for that case as any other. Hardball, but that is business.
* Early Access program seems reasonable given the complexity of some of these platforms. We had plenty of fun with that APache before FCR came out. There would have been no point waiting for that.
* I do wonder if the whole Pre-Pay thing is more trouble that it's worth and will often lead to hard feelings. As much as I joke about the Kiowa, I've never paid a penny for it so that is a different feeling than if Poplychop already had my money for 6 months.
Hmm, maybe bad wording, don’t get me wrong…this payment system IS popular with players, its a good selling point..however its a nightmare for accounting the second AC aren’t coming out. Great for the player, not healthy for a company. If the company suffers the player will eat it. No reason for repeat.
My opinion of the game play has zero to do with numbers, numbers are math, math is absolute. One has to separate one self from opinion and study the numbers to arrive at an accurate prediction. Mixed with odds, human nature and patterns.
My opinion? AH - a lot of dogfights, w/ good graphics DCS - great graphics w/ some dogfighting
Neither is better, its as personal preference as music. A lot of people like beer, I don’t like beer, I don’t drink beer. A lot of people prefer wine, some scotch,…Different mindsets.
My objection? Talking about McDs in Burger King is one thing, who cares? Walking in Burger King with a McDs bag and talking to BK customers about it is in bad taste, provocative. It rarely ends well. In provocation words are exchanged, words exchange promotes drama, drama is a scene, a scene causes damage. There seems to be motive to cause damage in the design. It’s similar to someone walking by your car and keying the side. It was a conscience decision. Intensionally scratch the car I love and we’re at war, rightfully so. Nothing abnormal about my reaction. It should have been predictable.
My attitude? I don’t walk away from fights, I go face first into it. I have zero to lose, everything I had is gone x4, I cannot be intimidated. No one on earth can hurt me more than has already been done. Does someone actually think I’m going to melt when called poopy butt? I will fight the good fight, however ridiculous. I sleep well.
I’m a good human with good intentions. I disrespect, those who disrespect me. Those who respect me get the shirt off my back. I refuse to change that.
Don’t mistake my harsh words for anger nor weakness, that’s how I talk to people who push disrespect on me. Words cannot damage me, but they show me who someone is and who to avoid.
Those who life has not porked them yet, may have issues understanding my way. I’m not worried about it. I own myself.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 22, 2024, 11:08:33 AM
I have the pack. I don't drive ground vehicles but you can. Don't know about the Tiger. You cannot fly a B-17.
Sorry. Forgot you can drive the some of the tanks.
But you need the Combined Arms add-on right? lol. Don't get me started on that one too. ;)
There is a flyable A-20. I can't remember if that was part of the pack.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2024, 11:20:22 AM
There may be free flyable bomber mods but I wouldn't expect much from them. Seems someone is working on a Lancaster which may be a high fidelity mod.
I've long had the Combined Arms addon but couldn't tell you what it gives me apart from not having it. Bought it back several years ago (2014) when ED was practically giving mods away.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: RichardDarkwood on May 22, 2024, 12:30:41 PM
combined arms is fun. The tank action is almost as lame as aces is.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 22, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Many of the mod builders \ server admins will have a donation or Buy-Me-A-Coffee thing available.
Someone actually suggested in a thread that ED consider moving to a subscription approach. Nick Grey even addressed that in one interview. Bottom line, for a variety of reasons, they have stated ED has no intentions of moving toward a subscription model.
A few surprising outliers aside, I'd say the vast percentage of respondents were against the idea of paying a subscription. Like 95%+ against subscriptions. I prefer to pay rather than subscribe. Witholding my money until some milestone is reached is my only leverage. If they were already getting my money in subscription no matter what, even before delivering something, would they be as motivated?
I think even if they would like to, it almost can't happen, despite what the masses think. Plus that conversation move would devastate the current base who love individual purchases. AH subscription works because it was in the design from the beginning and they have all the planes, boats and vehicles already. HT is got a steady income with much less overhead. Frankly, if their issues are as bad as perceived, it won't save them. Too many will bail. Like I stated, they painted themselves into a corner. I think it's way too late in the game for that.
I'm ok with being wrong, it's just my predictions are unfolding, which means my instincts are on track, so far.
It's like a tooth cavity, ya only see the little spec of a hole,.. but underneath decay is rampant. OR compare to ice bergs.
AH's problems are obvious, nothing to hide there. if it ever got a 3D engine update,. this ship could turn around. There's a decent chance AH could outlive DCS, without an update. it may not be packed, but it's heart would still be beating. Some might want to consider not damaging it and delirium, they may need it some day.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 23, 2024, 03:01:00 AM
I think even if they would like to, it almost can't happen, despite what the masses think. Plus that conversation move would devastate the current base who love individual purchases. AH subscription works because it was in the design from the beginning and they have all the planes, boats and vehicles already. HT is got a steady income with much less overhead. Frankly, if their issues are as bad as perceived, it won't save them. Too many will bail. Like I stated, they painted themselves into a corner. I think it's way too late in the game for that.
I'm ok with being wrong, it's just my predictions are unfolding, which means my instincts are on track, so far.
It's like a tooth cavity, ya only see the little spec of a hole,.. but underneath decay is rampant. OR compare to ice bergs.
AH's problems are obvious, nothing to hide there. if it ever got a 3D engine update,. this ship could turn around. There's a decent chance AH could outlive DCS, without an update. it may not be packed, but it's heart would still be beating. Some might want to consider not damaging it and delirium, they may need it some day.
I can't see DCS going anywhere anytime soon. Server numbers have been extraordinarily high the last couple months compared to previous years, espcecially considering the season.
And... I have NEVER seen numbers like I did today (because of the F-4). Not for the F-18, F-16, or even F-14 (which would have been more like today had it not been so expensive). It's 3am and there's STILL tons more than usual. I almost fell out of my chair when I got the "the server is full" message when I went to log into a popular training arena.
Earlier I think you posted DCS had hurt AH. Man, I just don't think it has. Until recently, I had only run into former (or current) AH guys a couple times (that I knew of). In fact (this will blow your mind), I ran across more former AIR WARRIOR players than AH. I at least thought that was kinda super-weird. I ~really~ think AH will, (or at least would) be perfectly fine as long as Hitech wants it to. It's extraordinarily good that people have, or at least know, there's somewhere to land should the AH plug ever get pulled.
DCS isn't so bad dude. Same with IL-2. You ought to give either or both a chance... they can both be just as infuriating or exciting as AH or AW ever was. It's good to change things up now and again... you don't have to quit anything.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: GasTeddy on May 23, 2024, 05:23:16 AM
DCS isn't so bad dude. Same with IL-2. You ought to give either or both a chance... they can both be just as infuriating or exciting as AH or AW ever was. It's good to change things up now and again... you don't have to quit anything.
I tank quite often in IL-2 Finnish full realism server. Eastern front, long distances. No icons whatsoever, orientation by map and compass. That's something different and exciting. But one needs patience and ability to use compass and read map. If those skills are in smartphone zombie level, it won't work.
Yesterday for example, co-operation w/ another tanker and JU-87G Kanonvogel to take one village guarded by Russian tanks. Stuka paralyzed Russians and gave us locations, we finished them. After it I went and mauled couple of Russian field defense fortifications and one tank base. That's how frontier there moves.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Dadtallica on May 23, 2024, 06:12:38 AM
I can't see DCS going anywhere anytime soon. Server numbers have been extraordinarily high the last couple months compared to previous years, espcecially considering the season.
And... I have NEVER seen numbers like I did today (because of the F-4). Not for the F-18, F-16, or even F-14 (which would have been more like today had it not been so expensive). It's 3am and there's STILL tons more than usual. I almost fell out of my chair when I got the "the server is full" message when I went to log into a popular training arena.
Earlier I think you posted DCS had hurt AH. Man, I just don't think it has. Until recently, I had only run into former (or current) AH guys a couple times (that I knew of). In fact (this will blow your mind), I ran across more former AIR WARRIOR players than AH. I at least thought that was kinda super-weird. I ~really~ think AH will, (or at least would) be perfectly fine as long as Hitech wants it to. It's extraordinarily good that people have, or at least know, there's somewhere to land should the AH plug ever get pulled.
DCS isn't so bad dude. Same with IL-2. You ought to give either or both a chance... they can both be just as infuriating or exciting as AH or AW ever was. It's good to change things up now and again... you don't have to quit anything.
Nope… flight sims are the new Highlander. There can be only one.
Get it together already.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 23, 2024, 08:33:43 AM
I can't see DCS going anywhere anytime soon. Server numbers have been extraordinarily high the last couple months compared to previous years, espcecially considering the season.
And... I have NEVER seen numbers like I did today (because of the F-4). Not for the F-18, F-16, or even F-14 (which would have been more like today had it not been so expensive). It's 3am and there's STILL tons more than usual. I almost fell out of my chair when I got the "the server is full" message when I went to log into a popular training arena.
Earlier I think you posted DCS had hurt AH. Man, I just don't think it has. Until recently, I had only run into former (or current) AH guys a couple times (that I knew of). In fact (this will blow your mind), I ran across more former AIR WARRIOR players than AH. I at least thought that was kinda super-weird. I ~really~ think AH will, (or at least would) be perfectly fine as long as Hitech wants it to. It's extraordinarily good that people have, or at least know, there's somewhere to land should the AH plug ever get pulled.
DCS isn't so bad dude. Same with IL-2. You ought to give either or both a chance... they can both be just as infuriating or exciting as AH or AW ever was. It's good to change things up now and again... you don't have to quit anything.
There’s some truth in what everyone says on both sides of the fence. DCS is not my kinda game play. I love the furballs and human pilots.
I know why some of the AWers, a lot former staff went to DCS, a lot is based on resentment of how AW went down snd AH came up. Then the way we were treated by the AH crowd when we came over, it was ugly. Moggy and a several others are there. I miss those guys.
I came over here with you, you dragged me here when I was seriously P-ed off oat the way it went down. We both saw how AWers, who almost tripled the population, were treated by players from WB who thought they were king of the hill. Just to find out AWers mopped the floor with em. That’s when top AWers went to DCS.if AH were not the same play as AW, I wouldn’t be here. The play style is very nostalgic to me. AH grew on me snd itd your fault lol. I came here biting, clawing and scratching, and very angry. It may end up the same sutuation repeat. But like AW, here til the last drop.
DCS won’t let me do my things its too caged up.
I said I would never step in AH too. <shrug>
I like AH because its s clone on steroids of AW. I don’t want my time on cockpits, I want to dogfight endlessly in big crowds.
Despite some of your truths DCS has very visible longevity issues, like most sims struggling to stay relevant.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 23, 2024, 08:54:24 AM
I tank quite often in IL-2 Finnish full realism server. Eastern front, long distances. No icons whatsoever, orientation by map and compass. That's something different and exciting. But one needs patience and ability to use compass and read map. If those skills are in smartphone zombie level, it won't work.
Yesterday for example, co-operation w/ another tanker and JU-87G Kanonvogel to take one village guarded by Russian tanks. Stuka paralyzed Russians and gave us locations, we finished them. After it I went and mauled couple of Russian field defense fortifications and one tank base. That's how frontier there moves.
Yesterday I played AH3 for a couple hours and IL2 for a couple hours. In AH3 the numbers were in the 40+. I encountered 25k ft ponies running after one 500mph attempt to pick. I only saw a couple enemy planes on the map, which were usually these ponies.
After a while I got bored and went to IL2. I saw there were 30+ players on the "normal" server. This is one with air-starts, icons and and very small maps. I started and within minutes I was in furball.
As the numbers fell off (usually around 5pm EST) I moved over to the combat box server.(which had 60+ players at the time) I had some issues with SRS as I'm currently using my backup computer and was able to get help to get it working on the cross country channel. As soon as I hopped in my plane and requested a call sign there were repeated calls by command reporting a large number of enemy planes just west of our base. I took off and headed that way and didn't have to fly more then a minute or two before I saw tracers everywhere and soon was in another furball. The weather was bad so I had to be very careful about who I was shooting. I also had to make sure not to lose my plane as we had limited supply of the late war planes. I didn't manage to get any kills as my countrymen cleaned up the mess rather quickly and I was able to bring my plane back without an issue.
Based on my experience yesterday, I'm not sure that I'm going to keep my AH3 sub. In my experience the maps are too big for the current number of players. I've been playing AH3 for almost 2 weeks now and my experience has been the same before and after the connection upgrade. (some in game mentioned that the connection was the reason the numbers were down)
I did have a bunch of fun in FSO, but other then that my experience in AH3 has been rather boring compared to IL2. I have not yet tried DCS online.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: CptTrips on May 23, 2024, 09:11:29 AM
It is available for AI without having the WWII Asset Pack.
Sorry mispoke.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 23, 2024, 09:57:37 AM
Here’s a problem with comparing sims, bias.
If you fly a sim and try another, its always looking for negatives over positives. Ya go in bias ya come out bias ya speak bias.
That said, Hazzmat, you may not have noticed, but I was around you for 2 days. You actually stated on 200 how AH was much better than you remembered. You flew 5-10 min from the next base to get 2-3 kills at a time and land them. What you spoke of in the MA doesn’t match what you say here. I refer that to bias memory. You actually posted on the bbs what an absolute blast you had despite low numbers, which was due to the connection upgrade. I'm not picking on you I'm just using it as an example how bias opinions work. No offense intended.
No matter what sim someone flies there choice is the best choice and everyone should follow. Many half-truths are spoken and flaws hidden to make a bias point.
For me and MY personal preference, I think fight AI is about as exciting as shooting a tied up chicken thinking I’m a great hunter with superior aim.
I do me, you do you.
Not much I despise more than a daily knock on the door telling me to save myself, against my will. I will do the direct opposite out of spite of being talked into anything. I prefer to make choices to what is natural to me. Every salesman is full of sht. I repel them like the black plague. Never reward a liar with success. That’s me, I’m weird, and still me.
That said, if there wasn’t some truth in what everyone says debates would not last mire than 5 replies. Its dragging out what isn’t said that elongates them.
Its all very bias to one’s choice. Not good, not bad, it just is.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 23, 2024, 10:18:34 AM
The comments I made were about yesterday. I said I had fun on Friday which sounds like the day you were referring to.
None of the planes I was talking about in IL2 were AI. They were all real players.
Bias is picking and choosing comments that fit your narrative. (relating comments I made on Friday to a post I made about yesterday) (inferring that I was fighting AI when I was fighting other real players)
Would you have made the same comments about bias if my opinions of the sims were reversed and I found IL2 boring?
I think not.
I could go on but I know it would end in a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 23, 2024, 10:43:05 AM
The comments I made were about yesterday. I said I had fun on Friday which sounds like the day you were referring to.
None of the planes I was talking about in IL2 were AI. They were all real players.
Bias is picking and choosing comments that fit your narrative. (relating comments I made on Friday to a post I made about yesterday) (inferring that I was fighting AI when I was fighting other real players)
Would you have made the same comments about bias if my opinions of the sims were reversed and I found IL2 boring?
I think not.
I could go on but I know it would end in a dumpster fire.
If you seek a dumpster fire you shall find one.
No, I would say the same thing. Reverse game names, its still the same.
Peaks and valleys, every sim has them. But I agree, people seek what matches their narative. Which is really my whole point.
Quite frankly, when you were having a good time in AH it wasn’t flowing for me the same way at the same time. It might be the opposite tomorrow.
Moving away from game play, the payment model is next in line. Not sure I want to buy expensive modules when the future is questionable. $15 is much less the loss. Players beed to pile all the factors to decide which fits them. It’s not just going to be gameplay.
Never met a simmer that didn’t have complaints, myself included.
Dude, you have tendencies to be a good guy, wipe the chip off your shoulder, don’t force me to defend myself, I don’t even like that side of me, but I do what I need to do. I’m not out to get anyone. I came back to AH hoping to just do my thing. It hasn’t presented happy memories, so far.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: hazmatt on May 23, 2024, 11:22:07 AM
No, I would say the same thing. Reverse game names, its still the same.
For some reason I didn't get that feeling.
Peaks and valleys, every sim has them. But I agree, people seek what matches their narative. Which is really my whole point.
Aye, I'm just not willing to pay $180 a year for a server to play on as I'm obviously not paying for development. If I don't play I'm still paying.
Quite frankly, when you were having a good time in AH it wasn’t flowing for me the same way at the same time. It might be the opposite tomorrow.
Right, but so far it seems that Friday is the only day that was fun and I think that was mostly because of FSO and Heineken.
Moving away from game play, the payment model is next in line. Not sure I want to buy expensive modules when the future is questionable. $15 is much less the loss. Players beed to pile all the factors to decide which fits them. It’s not just going to be gameplay.
Not sure what you're referring to here. I have 4 separate accounts in IL2 that I can pay online for no monthly fee. I think I spent $14 to $19 depending on the account and I can choose to add planes or play them offline or on my own private server or whatever even if I never buy another module.
Never met a simmer that didn’t have complaints, myself included.
Dude, you have tendencies to be a good guy, wipe the chip off your shoulder, don’t force me to defend myself, I don’t even like that side of me, but I do what I need to do. I’m not out to get anyone. I came back to AH hoping to just do my thing. It hasn’t presented happy memories, so far.
Please don't mistake me for a "good" guy. There's a reason I chose the callsigns HazMatt and Ratbstrd. I don't have a chip on my shoulder, however, I have my own opinions on things and they are not easily changed. I don't look to start crap but if you want to start slinging poo, I'm your monkey.
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Animl-AW on May 23, 2024, 11:42:33 AM
Well, nothing ventured, nothing gain.
Gave it a shot
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 23, 2024, 09:23:05 PM
I tank quite often in IL-2 Finnish full realism server. Eastern front, long distances. No icons whatsoever, orientation by map and compass. That's something different and exciting. But one needs patience and ability to use compass and read map. If those skills are in smartphone zombie level, it won't work.
I know a DCS pile-it who I think (I don't know) is a little bit lysdexic or... something. It can be irritating but usually is just funny that I have to call out headings/bearings etc in actual numbers, because if I say "left/right" or "east/west" etc, dude will go the opposite direction, and I mean EVERY time. :headscratch: :airplane: :joystick:
Title: Re: Hey Animl, got some ammo for ya
Post by: Tumor on May 23, 2024, 09:25:22 PM