Who wants a Pacific setup when you can make it air war over Europe ..
Eagler
Hmm I prefer ETO I think, but a lot of folks love PTO.
We were in ETO because Nazi are scum and felt obligated to pitch in and defeat them. PTO was America's War. PTO was personal. We got sneak-attacked.
Midway? Coral Sea? Cactus Air Force?!!?!?! A lot of fun potential.
Are you referring to HTC's Pacific War? Sigh. That one had so many bad decisions wrapped together, but PTO as an AO was in no way one of its problems.
If they execute well, PTO will be more popular than 1C's Korea I bet. Korea who?
The most important thing is the presence of a pulse. A living breathing thing. Activity. Signs of life. Lines of code being written. First new WWII franchise in two decades.
I think carrier ops would be a blast, but my main concern would be the flight times to action that would have been typical.
One of my favorites from the past :D: (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Aces_of_the_Pacific_Coverart.png)
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Eagler on June 22, 2024, 08:30:58 AM
I would be curious to see which sells better...my $$ go to airfare over Europe
Eagler
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Dadtallica on June 22, 2024, 08:56:33 AM
It’s always been PTO for me. CFS2 was my jam back in the day!
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Animl-AW on June 22, 2024, 09:47:29 AM
Who wants a Pacific setup when you can make it air war over Europe ..
Eagler
I don’t mind PTO, but I mind it as a single choice.
Even in AW ETO was more popular than PTO. Visually its easier to get burned out on just water and ships. Everything else could be perfect, but retaining a long term audience is questionable. Players will still fly other sims to get ETO fix.
I see they are trying to be different and fill a void, but I cam’t imagine any flight sim not having ETO, more happened there than PTO in WWII. That said, players love the beauty of land terrain. And landing a damaged AC is probably out of the picture.
I think people are happy a new sim is created more than seeing its a very narrow slice of WWII action.
What caught my ear was MP, but they didn’t say what that means. If its not more than 100 players my interest dips.
It does sound like a IL-2 concept. Would love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Drano on June 22, 2024, 09:48:22 AM
I don't think it oozed anything wth such a rough presentation. They barely had exterior shots of a couple of planes and ships. Notice no instruments in the interior cockpits. The water looked like crap too. They're a long, long way off. Years before anything playable. It's good to see someone putting together a new WW2 era flight sim. I'll probably wait until they add New Guinea. I don't see a P-38 in there before then!
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Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Animl-AW on June 22, 2024, 09:56:02 AM
I don't think it oozed anything wth such a rough presentation. They barely had exterior shots of a couple of planes and ships. Notice no instruments in the interior cockpits. The water looked like crap too. They're a long, long way off. Years before anything playable. It's good to see someone putting together a new WW2 era flight sim. I'll probably wait until they add New Guinea. I don't see a P-38 in there before then!
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Agreed.
I think they will run into issues with investors wanting returns. They are walking a tight rope. Will their nose ever be above water.
Remember when Janes Plane came out?
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Drano on June 22, 2024, 10:51:13 AM
Your utopian idea of the entire world of internet gaming collapsing leaving AH as the last game standing is just straight crazy. You really need to get past this.
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Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: CptTrips on June 22, 2024, 11:03:11 AM
I don't think it oozed anything wth such a rough presentation. They barely had exterior shots of a couple of planes and ships. Notice no instruments in the interior cockpits. The water looked like crap too. They're a long, long way off. Years before anything playable. It's good to see someone putting together a new WW2 era flight sim. I'll probably wait until they add New Guinea. I don't see a P-38 in there before then!
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Agreed. I wouldn't draw any conclusions yet. Just a tech demo of some concepts. To me the only import is proves that movement is occurring.
I'm intrigued by the use of Unreal5. I thought it had problems are very large scale with decimal precision drift. The further away you were from the origin, the courser\less accurate you position accuracy could be which started causing chaos with collision detection, etc.
I think WB ran into that in doing some testing with that framework in 2020ish. Maybe that has been resolved since then.
Interesting. I guess that has improved.
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Animl-AW on June 22, 2024, 11:21:32 AM
Your utopian idea of the entire world of internet gaming collapsing leaving AH as the last game standing is just straight crazy. You really need to get past this.
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If you’re referring to me… I didn’t intensionally imply that at all.
My fixation with MP goes back to AW. Insert any game name. If someone comes up with a good MP, graphics, payment model I’m in.
Right now, AH has what I seek, trying to get numbers up so its more enjoyable until something comes along with what I mentioned. I can think of other things to do with time without trying to keep a sim alive until then, like AW and AH.
I’m attached to a concept, not a game name.
People read too much and over think what I say and do. Its about keeping the MP concept alive. If AH goes its gone. Its not about the game, its about the concept. Its that easy.
I also tried to keep AW alive long after it was graphic worthy.
Show me another sim with the above and I will run over you to get there.
I didn’t like others making it harder to retain a concept that is in the edge if being lost to 80 player limit servers and greedy payment models.
I think people should do what makes them happy, but cause no harm to what others like. What was going on did exactly that. So its reversed, their way is the only way, Utopia.
<shrug>
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: Drano on June 22, 2024, 12:17:28 PM
Animl, who else would I be referring to? You're the only one here with this instant clap back regarding every other sim. You like AH. Yeah we all get it. So we all really need to get beat over the head with that? All day? You really need to wake up to the fact, sad as it might be, that this game is dead as a doornail. I've supported it right down the line and continue to pay my sub, but I have no expectations of a comeback as you do. Probably as I've been here the whole time it's slid down the hill while you were away all of that time. The idea of players here being "skimmed" by other games/players/developers that you spout is just crazy town. That horse ran out of the barn over a decade ago. The internet grew. Games grew. New games will come out. People will check them out. It's like commanding the tide to reverse because you wish it. You just look silly. This isn't yours to fix amigo. It's up to HT and he's checked out a long while back. He's been through some rough times. I'm sure you can relate. You don't have that market cornered. Think he's earned a break? I sure do.
As for people investing in games. This weekend is the flight sim expo out in Vegas. There's been a lot of new products being announced for the niche flight sim community including combat pilot. So, somebody seems to be throwing a few bucks at these things. While YOU might not be interested in this stuff, there's a lot more that are. That is what it is. No changing it. No going back either.
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Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: CptTrips on June 22, 2024, 02:26:54 PM
Animl, who else would I be referring to? You're the only one here with this instant clap back regarding every other sim. You like AH. Yeah we all get it. So we all really need to get beat over the head with that? All day? You really need to wake up to the fact, sad as it might be, that this game is dead as a doornail. I've supported it right down the line and continue to pay my sub, but I have no expectations of a comeback as you do. Probably as I've been here the whole time it's slid down the hill while you were away all of that time. The idea of players here being "skimmed" by other games/players/developers that you spout is just crazy town. That horse ran out of the barn over a decade ago. The internet grew. Games grew. New games will come out. People will check them out. It's like commanding the tide to reverse because you wish it. You just look silly. This isn't yours to fix amigo. It's up to HT and he's checked out a long while back. He's been through some rough times. I'm sure you can relate. You don't have that market cornered. Think he's earned a break? I sure do.
As for people investing in games. This weekend is the flight sim expo out in Vegas. There's been a lot of new products being announced for the niche flight sim community including combat pilot. So, somebody seems to be throwing a few bucks at these things. While YOU might not be interested in this stuff, there's a lot more that are. That is what it is. No changing it. No going back either.
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Drano, we’ve been agreeing and disagreeing for 30 yrs. I refer back to my comment people read way too much into whatever I do ir say, and some of it is intensional. You seem to be a little caught up in that.
I’m not asking nor expecting Dale to do anything. More graphics means less in an arena. Which is where these new sims are. They can’t go full tilt graphics and large MP too.
All that sht said, I am NOT alone in hanging onto MP. Just read the counter arguments in the other thread. This crap, and yes I’ll call it that, thats it just me is pure nonsense. Anyone who says so is caught up in nonsense. When I stopped those ithers came out of the corner. Its just me is myth.
How many just now spoke about what I don’t like before I weighed in? Eaglet and Tumor fir two.
Stop giving me do much attention, I’m nothing I was 15 yrs ago, I stated so in my first post to insults.
No one is obligated to agree with me, what I do nor say. However there is.
But don’t tell me about my Utopia in my own game while others from another game insist their Utopia should be mine on our own bbs.
I’m not angry, but what you like doesn’t have to be what I like.
When AH dies, its not yet dead, then I will migrate to something that best meets my interest, or just bow out again.
Any sim with investors and subs is going to cost more and here’s why. I’ve been in entertainment industry 45 yrs so what follows is why using investors and subs make it harsh on the customer suck. Its a horrible combo for the end user.
I make a base pay of $55 hr. When a Vendor of gear hires me for labor and operating it he charges his client x3 to make profit off my labor. He’s charging their client $165hr for my labor.
So you can see why these new sims are over priced, or go under. Nick gGray and others painted themselves into a corner that’s going to catch up real fast with just one slow in sales. Its not if, its when. But struggle comes much faster in that setup.
The magic process is this, if I can’t get it kick started on my own I’m not playing with it.
None of this has anything to do with Combat sim. Its just global facts. Don’t hate me for exposing reality, which is why I’m most hated by formers. Their numbers don’t work because they glaze over them.
If I want to drag back 20-40 players to make the remainder of time a lil more fun, that’s on me, not you. Its my free time and effort.
A factor that sparks my interest in Combat, American made (because this is my country) and MP. With Unreal engine anyone can make killer graphics, so now it comes down to visions, goals and price.
I figured out I didn’t like dcs many years ago, it has ZERO to do with AH. I may have DLed it yrs before you guys did. Like its first days out of the egg.
I do not miss 120 emails per day. I don’t like putting massive time into anything that burned me like EA.com did. I only need to be burned once. What I do for AH isn’t even a fraction of what I have done for AW. Not even same ballpark.
Stop over-thinking what I say or do. I don’t deserve nir want that attention anymore. I’m not the same status I once was. When I find a sim worth putting both feet in again, I’ll do that again. So I’m looking at sims differently than you do. Right now, in this status, I have more time to actually play i stead of test, and I’m digging it, for now.
AW 3 would not have happened had I not provided the tools Kesmai nor EA. Com would buy for them. Updated 3D Max version came from me. Tech support I kept free for both companies, new damage model was mine, sounds were mine, explosions were mine.
If Combat turns out to prove me wrong, I’ll OFFER both feet in.
I always say “I’d love to be wrong”
I’m not alone in saying PTO and no ETO is too narrow. BUT could be an ecinomical way to get it started as time is not on terrains.
Lets just cross fingers and hope I’m wrong.
APOLOGIZE FOR WOT. Just burned out on others intensionally misreading me.
If Combat turns out there will e foot prints on your back as I run over you to get there.
:)
PEACE bro
Its industry wide. So. When sn investor wants returns that’s the route a subcontractor will take.
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: LCADolby on June 22, 2024, 06:36:07 PM
A sober Animl is my favorite Animl, great post :aok
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: GasTeddy on June 23, 2024, 05:19:46 AM
A sober Animl is my favorite Animl, great post :aok
Even with my thumbs posting text from a phone? Ha!
I will add that Dale takes undue bashing. Over 25 yrs mistakes WILL be made.
What Dale was very smart about, among other things behind the curtain brilliance, is he intensionally kept graphics down to allow many in the MA. He found a honey spot Its not a mistake, its not subpar, its how you get massive multiplayer to work. Ya have to sacrifice.
If he decides to go full blown Unreal I think I can safely assume the MA MAY need to shrink.
HT is also self contained. Another brilliant move.
So you decide what you like best, intense graphics or MP MA. Its very hard to have both.
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2024, 10:04:14 AM
Thanks. I'll check, but I think I may own all the modules. I remember going hog wild on a sale at the start of lock-down.
But I only barely played any of them. I need to go give them another chance. Got fascinated by helicopters instead and forgot about IL2.
Not really IL2's fault. At that point I was just tired of more WWII fixed wing. However after some time to reset my palette, I have been dabbling adding back some WWII. IL2 is certainly a better "game" than DCS WWII, at the moment, I just don't know if I could settle for anything less than the feel of flight in DCS, even if it it is not as good as a "game".
I might squeeze in anther eval of IL2 while waiting for the new DCS PTO warbirds coming maybe end of the year.
In the meantime, I have my Kiowa. ;)
Title: Re: Combat Pilot - Flight Sim Expo 2024
Post by: CptTrips on June 26, 2024, 08:05:25 AM