With a suppressor it removes the initial bang, and if you are using supersonic ammo you still get the crack as it flies. Then you hear the the impact noise.
From what I've seen it sounded like a bang, no crack, then you could hear the impacts. So I agree with knorb, maybe a 22.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Gman on July 13, 2024, 06:08:37 PM
With a suppressor it removes the initial bang, and if you are using supersonic ammo you still get the crack as it flies. Then you hear the the impact noise.
From what I've seen it sounded like a bang, no crack, then you could hear the impacts. So I agree with knorb, maybe a 22.
The subsequent rounds weren't, somebody dumped the shooter with either a 556 rifle with a can or a handgun without one with a pretty rapid string of shots. Then there was one single shot and a bunch of women screaming, so a guess would be the shooter still hand his hand on the weapon or some such after getting smoke checked initially, and then got a bonus ball.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Animl-AW on July 13, 2024, 06:11:09 PM
The subsequent rounds weren't, somebody dumped the shooter with either a 556 rifle with a can or a handgun without one with a pretty rapid string of shots. Then there was one single shot and a bunch of women screaming, so a guess would be the shooter still hand his hand on the weapon or some such after getting smoke checked initially, and then got a bonus ball.
This totally makes sense.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Vulcan on July 13, 2024, 06:17:22 PM
The subsequent rounds weren't, somebody dumped the shooter with either a 556 rifle with a can or a handgun without one with a pretty rapid string of shots. Then there was one single shot and a bunch of women screaming, so a guess would be the shooter still hand his hand on the weapon or some such after getting smoke checked initially, and then got a bonus ball.
I'd say handgun, a 5.56 it's going to have a decent supersonic report. it's hard to tell really off such low video quality. Everyone over here runs suppressors.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: -gg- on July 13, 2024, 06:23:29 PM
No other comment other than when one pushes the limits, the limits finds one.
A shot heard around the world.
eat toejam.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: -gg- on July 13, 2024, 06:27:39 PM
You are a piece of garbage animal. Pushing the limits? You mean having a different point of view and a different direction for America other than the insane whoopee clown car show that the liberals forced in our faces?
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Animl-AW on July 13, 2024, 06:29:31 PM
I work around SS several times per yr. A little surprised it took 10+ secs for the long gun to take down-stage area. There are several snipers, this guy probably didn't get a 3rd breath. The stuff in those SUVs is mind blowing.
In the old days/90s, there used to be a cpl guys in trench coats, loaded with uzi type weapons, when stuff like this happens they run to him he opens up the coat and everyone grabs one. I haven't seen that in decades.
This is going to prolly start something big. There will be like-wise retaliation.
The stove is now hot.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Animl-AW on July 13, 2024, 06:33:25 PM
You are a piece of garbage animal. Pushing the limits? You mean having a different point of view and a different direction for America other than the insane whoopee clown car show that the liberals forced in our faces?
Dude it has nothing to do with me.....it's very obvious he has pushed the limits for years provoking people. It's just the issue, not me. I'm not alone in saying this is not s surprise. It's not. I'm not saying he deserved it, it's games people play. This is RL. Some whacko is going to go over-board, doesn't matter what side,... tensions are sky high.
No one here thinks much of me anyway so,.. grain of salt. nothing new. 3 others will say similar and nothing come of it. Whateva
Just FYI, a Trump supporter at the rally, a witness wh carried the dead man down the bleachers said "I'm not surprised this happened,.. everyone is so worked up...."
Clown car like Gym Jordan?
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Gman on July 13, 2024, 07:08:03 PM
I'd say handgun, a 5.56 it's going to have a decent supersonic report. it's hard to tell really off such low video quality. Everyone over here runs suppressors.
I know in your area everyone runs cans. The Secret Service counter assault team as well as the L.E. I saw all had cans on their 556 rifles in the video so far. Apparently the shooter was on the reverse slope of a building's roof nearby, and a witness said the Secret Service smoked him in the head. Audio from TV makes it impossible to tell, you're right, but based on the weapons present, as I said, either a 556/can or 9mm, or both.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Eagler on July 13, 2024, 07:25:30 PM
Hoping level heads prevail
Peace
Eagler
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 13, 2024, 08:24:11 PM
Nobody should be getting shot at regardless of politics.
That's simply not cricket.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: knorB on July 13, 2024, 08:31:57 PM
No body should be getting shot at regardless of politics.
That's simply not cricket.
this
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 13, 2024, 09:17:38 PM
Some major security flaws here. Many questions to ask. People were pointing this guy out and how no security figure took charge to communicate is mind blowing. The is was a big big mistake. Thank God he didn't get killed. It would have been so bad. It's still gonna be bad, but gah I can't even imagine.
Talk about dodging a bullet.
And here we see once again liberals justifying it because of trumps rhetoric. Yet they don't look at their medias irresponsible reporting riling people up calling Trump evil Hitlers and Putin puppet. It's bullcrap.
How many democrats get assassinated again? Why is it always Republicans and conservatives being shot? We saw just recently in Europe a conservative politician being shot. Abe of Japan. Over and over again. Which side has the truely crazy F lunatics? Which side is desperate for power enough to kill and arrest their political rivals. Complete lunatics. This election is officially over.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 13, 2024, 09:35:35 PM
Only an enemy of the state would shoot at a past and future president. This won't end well for anyone behind this.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Tumor on July 13, 2024, 10:10:56 PM
No other comment other than when one pushes the limits, the limits finds one.
A shot heard around the world.
What a deranged POS.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 13, 2024, 11:06:23 PM
Quote
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
- Yeats
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: TryHard on July 14, 2024, 01:26:13 AM
It was almost certainly 5.56, doubt it had a silencer on it, the shooter was roughly 200-300 yards away. As a relatively frequent shooter I know the report of a rifle length 5.56/.223, listen for yourself:
Very sad day for America, 3/4 of an inch away from possible civil war.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: icepac on July 14, 2024, 04:56:57 AM
Trump would have flinched a lot more if it weren’t subsonic ammo.
Also might responsible for the lack of accuracy.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Eagler on July 14, 2024, 05:32:31 AM
The shooter is a 20 yr old registered republican voter
Yet the right thought it was funny when Pelosi’s husband was beat with a hammer by a Trump supporter
Karma is a beast.
Hand out more guns to more whackos?
You are on meth if you think the guy Pelosi was screwing was a republican. If you saw the guys house, he was not a republican and had many signs of pride colors all over. Looked like a real weirdo.
Also about our registered republican shooter here. It said it was his first time registering. Quite fishy if you ask me. No one I know would support Act Blue a couple of years ago but then switch to republican and then be an anti Trumper to the point of assassination. Something very strange here.
"When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing."
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: FLS on July 14, 2024, 06:13:00 AM
You are on meth if you think the guy Pelosi was screwing was a republican. If you saw the guys house, he was not a republican and had many signs of pride colors all over. Looked like a real weirdo.
Also about our registered republican shooter here. It said it was his first time registering. Quite fishy if you ask me. No one I know would support Act Blue a couple of years ago but then switch to republican and then be an anti Trumper to the point of assassination. Something very strange here.
"When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing."
There is zero truth to what you said. He was not his liver, snother right wing conspiracy to stay in denial, he was s trump supporter, period.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: knorB on July 14, 2024, 06:47:26 AM
Sry but you are responding in a manner which are making excuses for the shooting Animl-AW..wtf sir?
Eagler
Well, if he behaves IRL as he writes... (https://media.tenor.com/j-ea2q8Ty2sAAAAM/aaaa-anger.gif) ...I'd recommend some clothes shopping. (https://media.tenor.com/FJFro3Oo6E8AAAAM/wayne-strait-jacket.gif)
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: icepac on July 14, 2024, 07:14:14 AM
I guess his coming out was this act.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 14, 2024, 07:14:20 AM
He donated to Democrats. He registered Republican so he could influence the Primary. He was impressionable and spurred on by the hateful rhetoric against Trump.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 14, 2024, 07:40:26 AM
Does appear to be many questions to be answered...
That dude might need a food taster going forward ...depending on the answers to those questions..
That rooftop was too close not to have a ss sniper on it imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: RichardDarkwood on July 14, 2024, 08:05:00 AM
had to be 125+ on that rooftop. that's a hot crawl
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 14, 2024, 08:15:06 AM
People pointing and yelling about a guy with a gun should have prompted immediate action to secure Trump. They have radios and are talking to each other right? Wouldn't you think?
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Volron on July 14, 2024, 08:32:09 AM
People pointing and yelling about a guy with a gun should have prompted immediate action to secure Trump. They have radios and are talking to each other right? Wouldn't you think?
"The boy who cried wolf" mentality may have been in play. Either way, the fact that that roof wasn't covered has me wondering who dropped that ball. Someone's head is gonna roll.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 14, 2024, 08:54:35 AM
There is zero truth to what you said. He was not his liver, snother right wing conspiracy to stay in denial, he was s trump supporter, period.
No, he freaking wasn't dude. You really need get off CNN and their BS. Tell me, how does any person get inside the Speaker of House, house, while Mr.Pelosi was there. It's unconcionable. Then to only get hit by the hammer once the police arrive as seem on the cam. So this was either staged, or it was a prostitution disagreement. Either way, no real republican would have been there. And if so, probably would have dealt with Mr.Pelosi before the police even got there. The whole story is sketch.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 14, 2024, 08:59:32 AM
So what was the shot distance? Sorry, just waking up.
Last night I saw 130 yd, then 200 yd.
My little home range is 200 yd and its ridiculous with a good rifle. How could there not be a SS agent on every roof top withing 500 yd?
With a scope, its not even sporting short of 300 yd.
Why aren't they using cheap commercial drones to hover and overwatch outdoor events?
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 14, 2024, 09:03:50 AM
So what was the shot distance? Sorry, just waking up.
Last night I saw 130 yd, then 200 yd.
My little home range is 200 yd and its ridiculous with a good rifle. How could there not be a SS agent on every roof top withing 500 yd?
With a scope, its not even sporting short of 300 yd.
Why aren't they using cheap commercial drones to hover and overwatch outdoor events?
As I stated earlier. Way too many security questions. Cheatle needs to resign. This was a no brainer security check. The fact that he got shots off before the snipers is really sketch. They are saying it was an AR15, of course. All around sketch and another embarrassment for the security apparatus of our country.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 14, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
So it looks like ~150yd?
That's insanely close. I could spit and hit him at that distance. With a little tail wind. ;)
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Volron on July 14, 2024, 09:11:27 AM
So what was the shot distance? Sorry, just waking up.
Last night I saw 130 yd, then 200 yd.
My little home range is 200 yd and its ridiculous with a good rifle. How could there not be a SS agent on every roof top withing 500 yd?
With a scope, its not even sporting short of 300 yd.
Why aren't they using cheap commercial drones to hover and overwatch outdoor events?
The drone thing can probably be easily summed up to: NOTHING in the air means one less thing to have to keep a constant check on. Having to track all your drones in the air is taxing, that next blip could be a glitch or not? In other words: if a drone is up, they instantly know it's not one of theirs and can deal with it accordingly, not having to check, double check, cross check, etc.
Basically having NO drones up means that it is easier to keep that variable in check.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Chris79 on July 14, 2024, 09:12:07 AM
There is zero truth to what you said. He was not his liver, snother right wing conspiracy to stay in denial, he was s trump supporter, period.
You know Pennsylvania has a closed primary right? I’m from Florida and switched parties back in 16 to vote against Hildabeast. Also what Violator said was correct, Crooks did indeed donated money to “ActBlue”, his parents donated money to Biden back in 20, and “unconfirmed” reports of Crooks having some association with antifa like organizations.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 14, 2024, 09:13:42 AM
The drone thing can probably be easily summed up to: NOTHING in the air means one less thing to have to keep a constant check on. Having to track all your drones in the air is taxing, that next blip could be a glitch or not? In other words: if a drone is up, they instantly know it's not one of theirs and can deal with it accordingly, not having to check, double check, cross check, etc.
Basically having NO drones up means that it is easier to keep that variable in check.
Fair enough. One predator circling at 10k? You wouldn't even hear it.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Volron on July 14, 2024, 09:15:36 AM
That's insanely close. I could spit and hit him at that distance. With a little tail wind. ;)
20yr old-ish, with no prior training? You expected him to hit his mark? To be fair, he did come close but "close" only applies to horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear bombs. haha
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Volron on July 14, 2024, 09:17:10 AM
20yr old-ish, with no prior training? You expected him to hit his mark? To be fair, he did come close but "close" only applies to horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear bombs. haha
Prone? With a scope? Stable position?
My Mom could hit a melon at that range without training.
150 yd???
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: CptTrips on July 14, 2024, 09:21:34 AM
My Mom could hit a melon at that range without training.
150 yd???
on a hot arse rooftop
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: GasTeddy on July 14, 2024, 09:42:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSqMwqQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 14, 2024, 09:46:46 AM
Trump turned his head just before he was shot. If he hadn't, he'd be dead. Watch the videos.
They've been calling him Hitler for 8 years. Does anyone believe they were surprised?
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Maverick on July 14, 2024, 09:52:33 AM
I watched quite a bit of the news coverage yesterday. It got old because it was the talking heads doing virtually nothing but speculating and as far as cbs, making excuses and all but blaming Trump for the attempt. I've heard a lot of folks placing the blame for this kind of crap on the right and totally ignoring the outright calls for violent action by the left that have been going on since before 2016. It's time for the gaslighting to freaking stop.
This article popped up on yahoo, another source of left wing noise but this time someone goofed and put up a more centrist article.
The shooter is a 20 yr old registered republican voter
Yet the right thought it was funny when Pelosi’s husband was beat with a hammer by a Trump supporter
Karma is a beast.
Hand out more guns to more whackos?
Holy F.
You don’t think things through very far, and very obviously believe a bunch of spoon fed nonsense.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 14, 2024, 10:32:37 AM
From watching the videos of different angles I could see he turned his head sharply just before the bullet hit his ear. It was close enough that I thought maybe he heard the shot. No, even if the round was subsonic it wouldn't be by enough to make that difference at only 150 yds. Maybe it was the second shot that hit him and he turned for the first. I don't think so. I think he heard something that got his attention.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: 100Coogn on July 14, 2024, 10:43:15 AM
Nobody yelled 'Donald Duck'! :headscratch:
Coogan
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: -gg- on July 14, 2024, 11:02:48 AM
Liberals are turds that cannot be flushed. Worse - they're turds that jump put of the toilet and crawl into bed with you. They crawl out and get in our faces.
They built the clown car that is the Dem party. Full of freaks and nutjobs that they parade in America's faces. They've opened the borders and allows millions of people to flood in. They give OUR money to illegals while our veterans go homeless.
They are mental defects devoid of common human decency.
And we're surprised at things they say? Animal is a dirtball but he's just the average Liberal tard.
They've destroyed this country in less that four years.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Busher on July 14, 2024, 12:02:12 PM
Liberals are turds that cannot be flushed. Worse - they're turds that jump put of the toilet and crawl into bed with you. They crawl out and get in our faces.
They built the clown car that is the Dem party. Full of freaks and nutjobs that they parade in America's faces. They've opened the borders and allows millions of people to flood in. They give OUR money to illegals while our veterans go homeless.
They are mental defects devoid of common human decency.
And we're surprised at things they say? Animal is a dirtball but he's just the average Liberal tard.
They've destroyed this country in less that four years.
Don't sugar coat your feelings. Who knows... if Don gets the desk, you guys can evict them all. To where???? any ideas????
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: knorB on July 14, 2024, 12:09:10 PM
Don't sugar coat your feelings. Who knows... if Don gets the desk, you guys can evict them all. To where???? any ideas????
Or you could refute what gg wrote? Through association and rhetoric, the democrat party has quicky become the party of intolerance and violence. Whether it be antifa, BLM, Soros, or hate filled comments often times laced with violence by celebrities and democrat members of congress, the receipts are everywhere.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Tumor on July 14, 2024, 12:58:03 PM
Heh, ya think? The reality is, certain elements need us fighting each other. The only difference between the idiots is, one side is more useful than the other.... depending on the situation, of course. :pray :old: :pray
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: Skyyr on July 14, 2024, 01:32:47 PM
The parents professions are sus. What has he been doing for 2 years out of high school? Antifa? Star math student a one point. Blackrock commercial extra at the HS? He didn't get a good job? No college? Explosives in the car? Who the hell is this guy? I'm still peicing together but not much new stuff has come out. Timing right before RNC convention also sus. Man this stinks.
Just read that Jill Biden also had an event in Pittsburgh that day so SS detail was short and they had many temps at Trump rally. Only permanent agent was SAIC Kern. Advance work done the day before because of lack of resources.
So it's interesting that A. Shooter got that far with a rifle. B. Knew that area would be unchecked. Knew a ladder was there he could easily access. Knew detail was short staffed. I mean, this is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: LCADolby on July 15, 2024, 05:22:41 AM
I found it odd that CNN called it anything but an assassination attempt.. very strange indeed.
The guy was on socials proclaiming his hatred for Trump and Republicans.
Registering Republican is just a futile attempt in aiding his "sides" politics avoid blame, but sadly Biden did call for a bullseye on Trump, so there lays your real triggerman.
More over this is an absolute failure of his protection detail, it's a small venue and an obvious vantage point they let the shooter get onto and shoot from..
This isn't an attack on Trump or Republicans, this is a attack on Democracy.
We learned many years ago the left cant meme, now we learned that they cannot shoot 130 yards, and long may their weirdo cult breed useless, LGBTBBQRSTUYVXYZ++, weak, feeble minded individuals ripe for the Darwin Awards they deservedly earn.. This guy's pronouns are Was/Were. :rock
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: icepac on July 15, 2024, 05:36:05 AM
Ha! Had I said that my skin would be a lamp shade.
I get amused how when events happen people try to call what happened before any info is out.
What I said above that I got lunched for was actually said more than 10 times in the media-tardville. Its nit what is said, its who said it.
Imagine how many cities would have been burned to the ground Saturday and Sunday had it been Biden who was shot. Then we'd hear nothing but "muh right wing terrorist and traitors" for months. Notice the wording in many headlines this weekend. Not a single MSM outlet headlined assassination attempt after he was clearly hit. It was bizarre. We live In a one sided world where it's okay for democrats to act and behave like fascists, burning and looting local businesses while pointing the finger at Republicans. The media you follow is a perfect example and they are the cause of riling up people, making false interpretations of Trump, and calling him a Nazi for 8 years. I hope they all burn in hell where they worship, tbh.
Title: Re: Heard a bunch of shots at trump rally.
Post by: AKIron on July 15, 2024, 07:52:48 AM
Told my wife the same. The low lifes are crawling out of the woodwork now claiming this was staged. No limit to how low some will go.