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Title: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 30, 2024, 07:51:36 AM
To have HTC change the radar system back to a system that isn't so gamey.
Can we continue to vote on this forum? I realize it's only like 20 people here now, but maybe, just maybe we will get something to change from this gameyness arcade radar that has taken a lot of strategy away from the MMO concept of the game.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: CAV on August 30, 2024, 08:47:58 AM
Yes, remove the arcade radar.
CAV
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Lazerr on August 30, 2024, 11:01:30 AM
I have to agree.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 30, 2024, 11:22:35 AM
I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Banshee7 on August 30, 2024, 11:44:41 AM
I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.
Imagine the poor guys that only up to shoot down bombers for fighter score lol.
I'll add my vote, too. At least the proximity dar.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Oldman731 on August 30, 2024, 12:05:07 PM
I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.
Agreed. If we were back in the days of hundreds of people online simultaneously, removing the current radar wouldn't present much of a problem. That's no longer true. Finding a fight will be more difficult if the radar is changed.
I don't fly nearly as much as I used to, so I won't vote on the issue now. But based on my recent flight time, I'm still wondering why this is such an issue.
- oldman
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 12:16:07 PM
I think success in the change depends how and where the change has to happen. If it takes digging into coding the mileage will vary. It seems HT is not up for digging into coding to make changes. Will re-coding it introduce bugs that require digging back in.
Going back could solve some antics/issues I won’t mention.
Why it was put in places makes as much sense as reverting it back.
These kind of changes can effect the game both positive and negative.
Seems the common stance is to revert back.
Personally, I’d prefer it be reverted.
I wonder what control CMs have in changing it in a custom arena to try out, OR, if its an easy switch, try it for one week.
Its a big change that requires deep consideration.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Gooss on August 30, 2024, 12:23:26 PM
I like the radar as is. Nothing like getting jumped by four red guys without warning.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 01:20:52 PM
Not sure why the thread is split. But someone mentioned there are no new players. This is not totally true. I was helping a new player the other day. I've seen new player names.
Dar is an issue.
But there may be bigger fish to fry. Like not chasing players out through ch. 200 humiliation that they are perceived to be not good enough, or a lower skill level than the ranter point monger. Some are embarrassing some players right out of the game, yet I don't know what they gain from it,.. except less targets. Dar is not doing that.
It's a catch 22 situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't. <shrug>
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on August 30, 2024, 01:32:47 PM
The only people who can’t find a fight would be those that don’t understand or forgot how darbar works. Refresh rates can be adjusted in arena settings so it can be more effective for finding fights without giving exact positions. As I remember it (been a while since I hosted an arena) the radar is a setting (not code) it’s constantly adjusted for FSO and scenarios. I don’t think it would take much effort to adjust. And, if it kills the fights, it can always be reversed.
For the record, no one wants to eliminate radar. Just eliminate that every plane and tank is an awacs which is gamey as heck.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Spikes on August 30, 2024, 01:41:11 PM
I don't necessarily mind the radar but would prefer it only show on the map if you have line of sight on the enemy. Eg. you need to be able to see them (not under you, etc) but understand that likely isn't possible code-wise, so would prefer to go back to the old way all together.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: popeye on August 30, 2024, 01:59:34 PM
I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.
This.
Be careful what you wish for. The current dar setup has been in effect for years. So, the current player base either prefers it or tolerates it. Out of the 700 or 800 current players, there are a dozen here asking for a change. If you were HT, what would you do?
On the other hand, increasing the dar update interval is simple and wouldn't be a drastic change that might chase players away. Not exactly what is asked for here, but it would reduce the usefulness of proximity dar as a substitute for SA while still helping find fights.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on August 30, 2024, 02:07:16 PM
Be careful what you wish for. The current dar setup has been in effect for years. So, the current player base either prefers it or tolerates it. Out of the 700 or 800 current players, there are a dozen here asking for a change. If you were HT, what would you do?
On the other hand, increasing the dar update interval is simple and wouldn't be a drastic change that might chase players away. Not exactly what is asked for here, but it would reduce the usefulness of proximity dar as a substitute for SA while still helping find fights.
HT changed it without any input from the player base. It just appeared one day. No one asked for it. It wasn’t needed and it’s had adverse effects on game play.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 30, 2024, 02:35:58 PM
Well it was either this way or the old way. No, "Other" selection. So everyone clicked it because they didn't necessarily like the old way either. The only issue IMO was that it was too easy to destroy, and thus you'd never see any dots inside the rings.
If I were hitech, I'd have polls in the game with questions about common issues, and see how they work out. Only thing is I'd add a comment box to allow people to write next to the response.
Proximity dar should not work outside radar rings. That is the first thing I'd change. Bombers should have some leeway.
Also, seeing a bunch of dots my disuede players from rolling too. You see 8 planes coming toward your field, you may not roll, you see a decent size dar, but unsure of amount of planes, you may roll.
All I'm saying is there should be some fog of war as this game is not basic match play scenario
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 30, 2024, 02:41:53 PM
Well it was either this way or the old way. No, "Other" selection. So everyone clicked it because they didn't necessarily like the old way either. The only issue IMO was that it was too easy to destroy, and thus you'd never see any dots inside the rings.
If I were hitech, I'd have polls in the game with questions about common issues, and see how they work out. Only thing is I'd add a comment box to allow people to write next to the response.
Proximity dar should not work outside radar rings. That is the first thing I'd change. Bombers should have some leeway.
Also, seeing a bunch of dots my disuede players from rolling too. You see 8 planes coming toward your field, you may not roll, you see a decent size dar, but unsure of amount of planes, you may roll.
All I'm saying is there should be some fog of war as this game is not basic match play scenario
Wait I thought you quit like 2 months ago brah.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: thndregg on August 30, 2024, 03:49:55 PM
HT changed it without any input from the player base. It just appeared one day. No one asked for it. It wasn’t needed and it’s had adverse effects on game play.
From a business perspective, it happens a lot. Businesses just up and change something without customer input. Been a lot of things I've unsubscribed to or not frequented anymore (like Net(garbage)Flix) as a result, both online and in brick-and-mortar form.
I do miss the old situational awareness (head on a swivel) radar I started out seeing when I first came on in ' 04, with a little mystery sugarcoating of not knowing fully what one was about to deal with. Fairly realistic.
EGG
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Lazerr on August 30, 2024, 04:02:56 PM
Now that I think about it.. I kind of am on the fence about this. I want people to see me and try to kill me.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 30, 2024, 04:16:35 PM
Now that I think about it.. I kind of am on the fence about this. I want people to see me and try to kill me.
Exactly.
And imagine what the more unskilled squads will do. You think the BTs and Checkertails are bad now? Wait until they're unsure of what they'll run into. Kill one of them and they'll all run.
Just saying.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: CAV on August 30, 2024, 04:47:14 PM
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I do miss the old situational awareness
I miss it too. And what is killing me, is it is alive and well in other Air Combat SIMs. AH is giving me bad habits and made me lazy.
CAV
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Lazerr on August 30, 2024, 04:56:48 PM
And imagine what the more unskilled squads will do. You think the BTs and Checkertails are bad now? Wait until they're unsure of what they'll run into. Kill one of them and they'll all run.
Just saying.
I can also see how the kill by kill buffer and this radar don't jive well. In the past I thought the kill by kill buffer brought a sense of life to the arena. This is how it was in the early days FYI.
I stand behind that, but the two combined almost make picking and choosing (or running from) a certain target a little too gamey.
I stand... on the fence.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 30, 2024, 04:58:24 PM
I can also see how the kill by kill buffer and this radar don't jive well. In the past I thought the kill by kill buffer brought a sense of life to the arena. This is how it was in the early days FYI.
I stand behind that, but the two combined almost make picking and choosing (or running from) a certain target a little too gamey.
I stand... on the fence.
Yes.
There is simply no reason for a kill message buffer. The landing 2+ kills is award enough. Why the hell do we need to know whose killing who and instantly give away their position, that they can draw on the map and follow their dot... where the guy who just got the kill now has a far less advantage by not knowing whose coming after them while the other can adjust their game accordingly.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 05:15:26 PM
There is simply no reason for a kill message buffer. The landing 2+ kills is award enough. Why the hell do we need to know whose killing who and instantly give away their position, that they can draw on the map and follow their dot... where the guy who just got the kill now has a far less advantage by not knowing whose coming after them while the other can adjust their game accordingly.
In AW I think it was just "A kill has been recorded", can't remember if that was to the individual(s) or global. Someone may correct me. I think it incites a spectacle, when it doesn't take much to start that anyway. As you stated, it does open other flood gates.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: BigR on August 30, 2024, 06:09:02 PM
In AW I think it was just "A kill has been recorded", can't remember if that was to the individual(s) or global. Someone may correct me. I think it incites a spectacle, when it doesn't take much to start that anyway. As you stated, it does open other flood gates.
Yeah i think that was just on your own client when you scored a kill. It was not broadcast on the main chat. That's why lots of people ended up using kill macros to announce kills on their own. I think the only time you would see kills is if someone entered into a duel, it would announce who won.
Then again, its been 30 years. I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 06:42:04 PM
Yeah i think that was just on your own client when you scored a kill. It was not broadcast on the main chat. That's why lots of people ended up using kill macros to announce kills on their own. I think the only time you would see kills is if someone entered into a duel, it would announce who won.
Then again, its been 30 years. I may be wrong.
Oh ya, I remember the macros now. I think you’re right.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Mayhem on August 30, 2024, 06:55:51 PM
Yeah i think that was just on your own client when you scored a kill. It was not broadcast on the main chat. That's why lots of people ended up using kill macros to announce kills on their own. I think the only time you would see kills is if someone entered into a duel, it would announce who won.
Then again, its been 30 years. I may be wrong.
In Air Warrior you didn't knew who you shot down or who shot you down until you were back in the tower and checked your score. Then it gave you the last 10 I think.
The feature, If I'm not mistaken was added to AW4W. I don't remember it from the AWDOS in the DOS GEnie Numbered CPID days, but it was in AW4W (At least on AOL) AWClassic (AW4W) AWII AWIII and AWME.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: BigR on August 30, 2024, 07:23:08 PM
In Air Warrior you didn't knew who you shot down or who shot you down until you were back in the tower and checked your score. Then it gave you the last 10 I think.
The feature, If I'm not mistaken was added to AW4W. I don't remember it from the AWDOS in the DOS GEnie Numbered CPID days, but it was in AW4W (At least on AOL) AWClassic (AW4W) AWII AWIII and AWME.
Ah I see, thanks. I didnt start playing until AW4W.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: The Fugitive on August 30, 2024, 08:02:50 PM
In AW you DID know who you killed, but it wasnt broadcast that you had killed so and so. the only message was "A kill has been recorded by Fugitive" but it didnt say who you killed. Made it much harder to track a guy across the map.
So with the old radar system you had the line of sight as long as the dar was up. Dot dar was better because you didnt know if you were chasing a buff or a fighter, again "fog of war".
Make radar important again, right now it doesnt matter if its up or down, as long as you have a guy in the space the cons are lit. Goons could hide again landing outside towns or halfway there. With awac system landed or not, just fly in the same half of the sector and you can spot him.
Bump up the total pounds to take out radar to make it a bit tougher to take out, at least a second pass. Make it a target, that makes it something worth defending and give you the time TO defend it. Put some game back into the game.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Eagler on August 30, 2024, 08:26:16 PM
I am game for any change to dar ..
Eagler
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: guncrasher on August 30, 2024, 08:33:00 PM
no
semp
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 09:33:13 PM
Found this old screen shot. Don't recall which version this was. Damn, 30-ish yrs ago.
This was my go at explosions....moving from symmetrical ball type to asymmetrical , lil hard to read top left corner. "A kill has been recorded", on just my screen, doesn't list Pig as my victim, nor me as shooter.
Notice it's separated, "Pig shot down" but doesn't list who shot him (I did), a global message
(https://i.imgur.com/xoMyodZ.jpeg)
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 30, 2024, 10:10:20 PM
In AW you DID know who you killed, but it wasnt broadcast that you had killed so and so. the only message was "A kill has been recorded by Fugitive" but it didnt say who you killed. Made it much harder to track a guy across the map.
So with the old radar system you had the line of sight as long as the dar was up. Dot dar was better because you didnt know if you were chasing a buff or a fighter, again "fog of war".
Make radar important again, right now it doesnt matter if its up or down, as long as you have a guy in the space the cons are lit. Goons could hide again landing outside towns or halfway there. With awac system landed or not, just fly in the same half of the sector and you can spot him.
Bump up the total pounds to take out radar to make it a bit tougher to take out, at least a second pass. Make it a target, that makes it something worth defending and give you the time TO defend it. Put some game back into the game.
I prefer Dot Dar myself. Pretty sure RL dar in that era could tell bigger planes or formations from small planes, could be totally wrong on that.
But ya, I liked Dot Dar more better.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on August 30, 2024, 11:41:43 PM
And imagine what the more unskilled squads will do. You think the BTs and Checkertails are bad now? Wait until they're unsure of what they'll run into. Kill one of them and they'll all run.
Just saying.
They were here and pusses before dar was puss mode. Nothing new. Just harder for them to gang rape without the crutches.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: 1ijac on August 31, 2024, 12:06:53 AM
I think the dar is fine the way it is.
One-eye
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Eagler on August 31, 2024, 06:13:09 AM
We need Pearl Harbor dar..
Where are contact could be a flock of birds, flight of B-17's or the entire Japanese Navy Air Force...
An alt estimate, give or take a thousand or 2, when you hovered over it would be more accurate imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LCADolby on August 31, 2024, 06:17:09 AM
Just make all enemies dots
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Max on August 31, 2024, 07:44:43 AM
Yep, as much as I dislike the neutering of good SA, the new dot dar is a necessary evil.
No it’s not. It’s a crutch for lazy players.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: mERv on August 31, 2024, 09:32:38 AM
Huge fan of threads like these so please dont take my opinion the wrong way <S>
Wouldnt this require a complete revamp of the game itself via new coad?
Pretty sure Dale is done outside of making VR better. We got to respect that at some point. Mans paid his dues.
I think this is a great idea IF we had the logisitcal infrastructure to pull this off as a community through crowd sourcing.
I am -1
I would love nothing more than to have my two large bomber icons change to two small dots. The effect it has on "average" or even new players is debilitating and will compromise their ability to play, perform, and enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 09:42:01 AM
Of all the problems with the MA, this is such small potatoes.
If you hate the way the MA is, it will still suck even with the old dot dar.
I don’t see a lot of technical issues with the MA, but you make a valid point.
I’ve never experienced a content sim population.
I wish many would get off the sideline bench waiting for numbers to come up and get in the game and be a part of the numbers coming up. Numbers breed numbers.
Obviously sitting out because of one person is a bit of a cop-out and hands them success with little effort spent. I’m of the never run, go in face first and beat them down tribe. They are doing to you what would bother them the most. Its a white flag surrender. Flip the table, play by their rules. Squelching them kills half their strategy, making sure you’re angry. As soon as I log on, I check the roster, squelch, and start my engine. Nothing hurts an attention monger more than depriving them of attention. Someone targeting you? Alternate the path you use. Don’t give them patterns to rely on, they have patterns (tells) too.
As far as dar, I like dot dar, but the current isn’t enough to make me quit in protest that yields no results. When the game dies you’ll regret wasted time. I regret the 14 yr hiatus.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on August 31, 2024, 09:52:49 AM
Huge fan of threads like these so please dont take my opinion the wrong way <S>
Wouldnt this require a complete revamp of the game itself via new coad?
I don’t see how an arena setting would require new code. Even if it did require some code, I’m sure the old code is sitting in the wings ready to be plugged back in.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2024, 01:02:27 PM
Huge fan of threads like these so please dont take my opinion the wrong way <S>
Wouldnt this require a complete revamp of the game itself via new coad?
Pretty sure Dale is done outside of making VR better. We got to respect that at some point. Mans paid his dues.
I think this is a great idea IF we had the logisitcal infrastructure to pull this off as a community through crowd sourcing.
I am -1
I would love nothing more than to have my two large bomber icons change to two small dots. The effect it has on "average" or even new players is debilitating and will compromise their ability to play, perform, and enjoy the game.
Any chance Noobs have is being wiped away by vets using the same planes and tactics against noobs. Good sticks in the easy mode "noob" planes, don't give noobs in easy mode noob planes a chance because their plane isn't any more capable than a vets plane but the vet knows exactly what to do in the more capable plane to defeat the noob.
A noob does finally get a kill, and now they show on the kill messages with their dot on the map to easily identify and go after, leaving them even less of a chance since they don't know whose coming after them.
I think a lot of you aren't getting it.
How is it fair for a player who just got a kill to have their position completely given away, while the enemy going after them gets full mask to be unidentified? Thus allowing them to set up an attack against the person who just got a kill?
If I know Lazer is in a P38 after he just got a kill. I'm now going to manipulate my tactics to prepare to fight Lazer in a way that gives me an advantage, where as he has no clue it's me to be able to set up advantage for himself, or atleast be aware to fly more aggressively.
Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 01:29:08 PM
Never hated the MA. I do hate that awacs has ruined SA. There is literally a dimension of the game that’s be ruined because of the radar settings.
All true, but based on assumption.
Here's the main thing,... there are not enough players to buffer another change. Some players have voiced some like this current mode. So it gets changed, which please some and not others. It's not 100% behind the idea. How many of those who don't like the idea leave, and will reverting back bring back those who left because of the last change. From what I understand, the group that pushed the current aren't even here anymore. There is no buffer for any player loss. Hell we lost 10 just because of one person's antics, that alone hurt the numbers in the MA. What please you and me, doesn't please others. Lose 20 players this time and just fold, that's 30 lost.
I'm all for the change, but I personally don't gamble, unless it's a sure thing. I agree with most replying here, but it can bite back too. <shrug>
Best of luck I guess.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 01:34:05 PM
Any chance Noobs have is being wiped away by vets using the same planes and tactics against noobs. Good sticks in the easy mode "noob" planes, don't give noobs in easy mode noob planes a chance because their plane isn't any more capable than a vets plane but the vet knows exactly what to do in the more capable plane to defeat the noob.
A noob does finally get a kill, and now they show on the kill messages with their dot on the map to easily identify and go after, leaving them even less of a chance since they don't know whose coming after them.
I think a lot of you aren't getting it.
How is it fair for a player who just got a kill to have their position completely given away, while the enemy going after them gets full mask to be unidentified? Thus allowing them to set up an attack against the person who just got a kill?
If I know Lazer is in a P38 after he just got a kill. I'm now going to manipulate my tactics to prepare to fight Lazer in a way that gives me an advantage, where as he has no clue it's me to be able to set up advantage for himself, or atleast be aware to fly more aggressively.
Does that make sense?
Well, we've gone from changing one thing to changing two things, the list will only grow, and the least likely anything will change as it does. It's not that I don't agree, it's just pushing limits to success on ONE. Stay focused, one thing has better luck than 2 or 3 or 4 as the list grows. Changing announced kills will probably require coding, 2 new game exe and and a new install exe/update. I doubt HT is up for that.
I'd like those changes, but I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
Any chance Noobs have is being wiped away by vets using the same planes and tactics against noobs. Good sticks in the easy mode "noob" planes, don't give noobs in easy mode noob planes a chance because their plane isn't any more capable than a vets plane but the vet knows exactly what to do in the more capable plane to defeat the noob.
A noob does finally get a kill, and now they show on the kill messages with their dot on the map to easily identify and go after, leaving them even less of a chance since they don't know whose coming after them.
I think a lot of you aren't getting it.
How is it fair for a player who just got a kill to have their position completely given away, while the enemy going after them gets full mask to be unidentified? Thus allowing them to set up an attack against the person who just got a kill?
If I know Lazer is in a P38 after he just got a kill. I'm now going to manipulate my tactics to prepare to fight Lazer in a way that gives me an advantage, where as he has no clue it's me to be able to set up advantage for himself, or atleast be aware to fly more aggressively.
Does that make sense?
It seems to me that you've went from understanding this is a combat sim based on ACM to treating it like Call of Duty or some other addict-enabling video game.
Knowing an opponent's position BEFORE engagement is the lowest tier of concern in terms of a WWII, guns-only combat environment and one that has the lowest effects in terms of outcome.
At some point, your hypothetical noobs need to employ ACM. This is, after all, a pseudo-sim based on emulated physics. If you're losing simply because someone knows where you are, then you're just a bad pilot, all things being equal.
Case in point, today GEN went on a 20-minute, explitive-laden rant because he lost a turnfight to a lower TA 152 while flying his dumb Spit 9. He called me a "fkn hack" that "floats a weightless aircraft." It never occurred to the tard that something called "maneuvers" exist nor has he ever read Shaw's book. You can't fix this kind of stupid nor can you account for it.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Max on August 31, 2024, 04:13:15 PM
Skyyr, when you finally burn out on AW3 and whatever gaming interests you pursue, consider a career in politics, or that of a lobbyist in D.C. I think you'd do well :old:
Sorry we haven't locked horns in the DA yet but my free time is mostly devoted to an older brother navigating advanced kidney disease & dementia. Perhaps some day. :salute
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 05:28:14 PM
It seems to me that you've went from understanding this is a combat sim based on ACM to treating it like Call of Duty or some other addict-enabling video game.
Knowing an opponent's position BEFORE engagement is the lowest tier of concern in terms of a WWII, guns-only combat environment and one that has the lowest effects in terms of outcome.
At some point, your hypothetical noobs need to employ ACM. This is, after all, a pseudo-sim based on emulated physics. If you're losing simply because someone knows where you are, then you're just a bad pilot, all things being equal.
Case in point, today GEN went on a 20-minute, explitive-laden rant because he lost a turnfight to a lower TA 152 while flying his dumb Spit 9. He called me a "fkn hack" that "floats a weightless aircraft." It never occurred to the tard that something called "maneuvers" exist nor has he ever read Shaw's book. You can't fix this kind of stupid nor can you account for it.
For god sakes shut up. You barely use acm. You HO, Ram, Pick, bounce, thats not acm thats dweebery. Acm my butt. You’re nothing more but a gamey gamer. Most of all full of crap. Why don’t you quit chasing people off ya moron. Lol acm, whata crock. Get a life loser.
You fly into a furball shooting everyone who is busy with someone else. Any half baked clown can do that, hence, here you are. A full fledged puddle of vomit. You failed your second chance, you need to go.
If you’re “so good” ehy aten’t you working? Did ya make them sick too? Phffffff
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2024, 05:36:50 PM
For god sakes shut up. You barely use acm. You HO, Ram, Pick, bounce, thats not acm thats dweebery. Acm my butt. You’re nothing more but a gamey gamer. Most of all full of crap. Why don’t you quit chasing people off ya moron. Lol acm, whata crock. Get a life loser
You quite literally have a 0.31 K/D. You die almost 4 times for every kill you get. You died 4 times trying to vulch me last week. I made you lawndart by simply pulling a barrel roll as you overshot. You're ranked #427 for fighter skill in a game that has ~600 players. Let that sink in.
You wouldn't know what ACM is or was, even if Robert Shaw demonstrated it to you first-hand.
Now pipe down and let the experienced players finish speaking.
P.S. You lost to a simple rolling scissors here and ran for the next 3 minutes. Don't ever lecture anyone on ACM again.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 05:42:31 PM
Now that i hurt your girl fragile ego, come after me. Post 500 vids. Spew your childish 200 spewings. I don’t care, flake
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2024, 05:44:40 PM
Oh you care. Your only defense is to play a victim once you get called on your own lack of ability.
No i don’t you’re garbage, and you look like garbage you are when you do,… cry like a little child when you lose. You have zero class. You’re a HO dweeb. This is an adult convo. Go act like a wet pant child somewhere else.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2024, 05:51:15 PM
No i don’t you’re garbage, and you look like garbage you are when you do,… cry like a little child when you lose. You have zero class. You’re a HO dweeb. This is an adult convo. Go act like a wet pant child somewhere else.
Your vodka tremors are making your posts unreadable again.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on August 31, 2024, 05:57:24 PM
It will get up to 110-130 at prime time. But still, I’m concerned about no buffer if it takes a hit.
Love the ideas tho
It hasn’t been above 108 people in several months. It only crests 100 briefly now. 80-90 is much closer to the new average. Not expecting much of a winter bump.
I also think the game is fine as is and don’t care about the rest of this nonsense. You’re all playing a game, one that is in its final stages, try to remember that and just enjoy what you have.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: yipi on September 01, 2024, 08:06:05 AM
Radar was changed to help new players find the action. This sim has potential because of its VR. They should put on steam a package and sell for xheap. Make one where your the gunner on a bomber shooting AI attacking it. Make one where your the gunner on field. Start with guns then get them to planes Could sell each for 20 dollars.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Dadtallica on September 01, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
Radar was changed to help new players find the action. This sim has potential because of its VR. They should put on steam a package and sell for xheap. Make one where your the gunner on a bomber shooting AI attacking it. Make one where your the gunner on field. Start with guns then get them to planes Could sell each for 20 dollars.
The steam release did not end well.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: The Fugitive on September 01, 2024, 08:44:55 AM
Only because they were not ready for it. On top of that, the numbers portrayed by Steam only included Steam players. By using them it looks like there are 10 players when there are another 100 coming in thru HTC direct.
I think rebranding the game and rereleasing it thru stream might be a good way to go.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 01, 2024, 09:44:06 AM
It hasn’t been above 108 people in several months. It only crests 100 briefly now. 80-90 is much closer to the new average. Not expecting much of a winter bump.
I also think the game is fine as is and don’t care about the rest of this nonsense. You’re all playing a game, one that is in its final stages, try to remember that and just enjoy what you have.
Not true, maybe when you’re on. I’ve seen 110 to 130 in the last cpl months for sure. In fact I posted 2-3 days ago on 200 it was 120. It was over 100 every day but one the last week. If the 10 that stopped flying because of Skyyr’s antics it would be higher. You probably don’t watch the numbers like I do. But then, your tribe disagree with everything I say. Except that last week we had the same numbers as last summer. Had these 10 been playing we would hit 120-140.
Don’t know about where others live, but here weather has been superb all summer. Many times I didn’t fly was because its just so nice outside.
Doomsayers have been doomsaying since my first day back, the numbers have stayed pretty solid. They were even barking when we hit 160-200. Every day is doomsday to them. Its like they want it to happen just to be right once.
Doomsday threads and Skyyr impacts numbers, they do it anyway. As I said when I came back and now, some of the players are dragging it down more than the game itself. Doom doom doom and then more doom.
I helped a new player a few nights ago, seen a few others.
I’m not under a notion that we will hit History Channel commercial and first steam days, that were false positives,. Same people said the same thing to me last yr, then we hit 200.
I think some here disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing.
Prime time has always been the peak numbers. Same as last yr, before prime time under 100. Same same.
I was told advertising won’t move the needle, then it moved. Then you your self who saud the same advertised and brought in some players.
Threads where you 5 attacked my every word hurt numbers, ya did it anyway because of obsession over-ruled common logic. Didn’t care about the damage as long as you got your poke in.
Trolls posting another sim in every thread they entered hurt us. They even posted it 5 times in the MotA announcement thread. Even tho some players bit the hook, most came right back. It wasn’t what they were sold on.
I expect you to disagree, you’ve done it every time since I didn’t make my crappy videos your way. You’re part of the 5, I expect it now, every time.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 01, 2024, 09:53:39 AM
It seems to me that you've went from understanding this is a combat sim based on ACM to treating it like Call of Duty or some other addict-enabling video game.
Knowing an opponent's position BEFORE engagement is the lowest tier of concern in terms of a WWII, guns-only combat environment and one that has the lowest effects in terms of outcome.
At some point, your hypothetical noobs need to employ ACM. This is, after all, a pseudo-sim based on emulated physics. If you're losing simply because someone knows where you are, then you're just a bad pilot, all things being equal.
Those are incorrect assessments. I'm trying to prevent the MA from becoming COD and match play, which is basically what it is with dar and kill messages. SA given away changes tactics for one opponent while the other is oblivious. I'm not sure if you've played other games but knowing spawn points is a huge advantage. Knowing which players died are huge advantage.
If two players have the same level of skill, but one player has the alt advantage to begin, generally the plane that is lower will lose. If one player sets up plane and E advantage over the unspecting pilot who just got a kill, It's not about skill necessarily, but of strategic advantage of position over the other. It may also tell players to avoid that plane because they know who it is.
Secondly, even if noobs know and understand ACM. They do not know the physics of the game and how each plane flies in the game. Thus, at a disadvantage. Knowing ACM is one thing, employing it correctly in the plane vs another plane is completely different. It's action vs theory. They don't know how hard to pull up yet. They haven't figured out plane characteristics and how to aim, nor how well the other pilot can perform ACM in their plane and how well that plane can turn, ect ect. So when a vet is flying their same effective plane, they know far more how to handle it and kill them over and over anyway. Regardless of any knowledge of SA by the noob who doesn't understand the game well enough yet.
So them get slaughtered over and over again after flying out for 10 minutes isn't necessarily their idea of fun. It's only the few players who are extremely interested in learning who stick around. But when everyone is in the same fast cannon birds it doesn't do noobs any favors.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 01, 2024, 10:15:15 AM
Those are incorrect assessments. I'm trying to prevent the MA from becoming COD and match play, which is basically what it is with dar and kill messages. SA given away changes tactics for one opponent while the other is oblivious. I'm not sure if you've played other games but knowing spawn points is a huge advantage. Knowing which players died are huge advantage.
If two players have the same level of skill, but one player has the alt advantage to begin, generally the plane that is lower will lose. If one player sets up plane and E advantage over the unspecting pilot who just got a kill, It's not about skill necessarily, but of strategic advantage of position over the other. It may also tell players to avoid that plane because they know who it is.
Secondly, even if noobs know and understand ACM. They do not know the physics of the game and how each plane flies in the game. Thus, at a disadvantage. Knowing ACM is one thing, employing it correctly in the plane vs another plane is completely different. It's action vs theory. They don't know how hard to pull up yet. They haven't figured out plane characteristics and how to aim, nor how well the other pilot can perform ACM in their plane and how well that plane can turn, ect ect. So when a vet is flying their same effective plane, they know far more how to handle it and kill them over and over anyway. Regardless of any knowledge of SA by the noob who doesn't understand the game well enough yet.
So them get slaughtered over and over again after flying out for 10 minutes isn't necessarily their idea of fun. It's only the few players who are extremely interested in learning who stick around. But when everyone is in the same fast cannon birds it doesn't do noobs any favors.
The current dar is one player’s fav tool, so is kill announcements. Thats why it bothers you more now days. Without it he’s tactics are sharply diminished.
Don’t sit on the bench because of him, saddle up and lets go after him the same way. I like hiw he insults players for bad acm, next line he’s shot down by average player.
We’ve talked, I know where you are. But don’t hand him satisfaction. We can do the same he does others. I pulled some string 2-3 nights in a row, he was lucky to get more than 1-2 kills per sortie. Fight back. He didn’t like that someone was playing him with his own tactics/rules. Funny as hell. :)
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on September 01, 2024, 11:14:09 AM
It would be worth a shot but I don't see it happening unless Dale sells his interest and a new dev team takes over the reins.
I hesitate a lot when the talk of "selling" comes up. When AW was sold the player base was all kinds of excited. New money coming in from a big developer, everything looked like it was going to be amazing with what they could do! and all they did was close it :cry
I think rebranding wouldnt be too tuff. HTC has down a lot of update since the last offering to steam so they could call it a rebrand easy enough. Knowing how it all went down before they could be a bit more ready for it with a bunch of people to be on hand to help out and such.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 01, 2024, 11:57:43 AM
And I average 4-5 kills every 15-20 minutes. Lol. Do you not understand how K/D and K/T work?
Just because you average 1 kill for 4 deaths and only get 3 kills an hour doesn't mean everyone else does.
1, you hijacked a thread again with your drama.
Nope, don’t care. Not everyone is as consumed, swallowed whole, like you. Do you really think anyone here cares? Ya came in here belittling someone you chased from the game, so I sucked your fragile ego to me. Simple.
Of course, you have no clue why my score is what it is. I bail often to go somewhere else, more likely to be shot by field guns than shot by you. Obviously, I DO NOT CARE, YOU DO.
So no, what eats you alive doesn’t even affect me.
I’m not embarrassed by your immature postings, I’m embarrassed for you. You have a severe case of inferiority complex.
Ya remind me of a spoiled rotten silver spoon brat. “life is all about me”
<walks away smh>
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on September 01, 2024, 12:10:20 PM
I hesitate a lot when the talk of "selling" comes up. When AW was sold the player base was all kinds of excited. New money coming in from a big developer, everything looked like it was going to be amazing with what they could do! and all they did was close it
I still have scars from that incident. Several of us had the dreaded feeling they were really buying the player base and once they got the competition player base in their hands they would kill it. Thats how it turned out. Bought it to kill it.
Said this for a long time, AH is in a much different and safer situation. >IF< HT could get one small last team together, and pull off one more good update, the population would absolutely grow. 3D engine?, visual effects, game tweaks. AH gas a chance. How many players are in other sims fir that very reason? <shrug>
Even if that were not to take place, at least its safe where it is. In this current suspended animation, its really up to the community its life expectancy. You are the advertisement and retain players.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 01, 2024, 12:15:44 PM
I hesitate a lot when the talk of "selling" comes up. When AW was sold the player base was all kinds of excited. New money coming in from a big developer, everything looked like it was going to be amazing with what they could do! and all they did was close it :cry
I think rebranding wouldnt be too tuff. HTC has down a lot of update since the last offering to steam so they could call it a rebrand easy enough. Knowing how it all went down before they could be a bit more ready for it with a bunch of people to be on hand to help out and such.
Sell, rebrand, call it what you will but the empirical evidence points to the fact that other than maintaining the servers, locking posts and whatever it takes to get new skins up, Hitech is done. It's one stream of retirement income which will probably continue without any further development until the expenses involved in keeping it u & running exceed the revenue.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Dadtallica on September 01, 2024, 12:45:21 PM
Sell, rebrand, call it what you will but the empirical evidence points to the fact that other than maintaining the servers, locking posts and whatever it takes to get new skins up, Hitech is done. It's one stream of retirement income which will probably continue without any further development until the expenses involved in keeping it u & running exceed the revenue.
Nothing wrong with that. Wish I had a passive income stream.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on September 01, 2024, 12:55:54 PM
I believe Hitech stated that the average new user only spent 5 minutes logging into the game before logging out permanently. The barrier to entry was simply too high.
Ironically, this is precisely for reasons like the topic of this very thread. You can't make fights difficult to find and then expect brand new players to understand what's going on. Turning off the dar only penalizes the unskilled players, which every new player is, because they are the very people who you need to come and remain ingame.
Like I said, you can turn off the local insta-dar and I promise it won't affect the best players; but it'll make it much more difficult for the average-skilled player. And most everyone here is an average-skilled player, statistically speaking. New players are and would be even less skilled.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Lazerr on September 01, 2024, 01:08:27 PM
I hesitate a lot when the talk of "selling" comes up. When AW was sold the player base was all kinds of excited. New money coming in from a big developer, everything looked like it was going to be amazing with what they could do! and all they did was close it :cry
I think rebranding wouldnt be too tuff. HTC has down a lot of update since the last offering to steam so they could call it a rebrand easy enough. Knowing how it all went down before they could be a bit more ready for it with a bunch of people to be on hand to help out and such.
I don't THINK the selling price of AH would be enough for another team to buy out AH just to close it in hopes of getting their numbers. The playerbase has shrunk too much, and there is too much other competition out there. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 01, 2024, 01:37:48 PM
I never said anything about "turning off the dar." Just that the current Dar needs adjustments and shouldn't be available outside of radar range, especially if the radar is down. Any new player should understand immediately per the start of the game that Dar Bars indicate a presence of enemy in the sky. If radar was harder to kill at 3k pounds. It would prevent radar being knocked out immediately for the most part.
In anycase, I'm just unsure why SA has to completely destroyed in a MMO game and for advantages to be given to players after someone gets a kill.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Eagler on September 01, 2024, 04:32:49 PM
Multiple accounts provide the means to circumvent any dar setting .. it's happening now and would definitely happen if dar was changed as suggested...
Enjoy the game while you can as it will be the way it is today to the day your login fails and it's over..imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: AKIron on September 01, 2024, 04:36:22 PM
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Grind on September 01, 2024, 11:31:33 PM
Enjoy the game while you can as it will be the way it is today to the day your login fails and it's over..imo
Eagler
What incentive does Hitech have in doing anymore with his game? He’s made his money and probably ready to retire. IMHO, the fact he keeps it running is doing us a favor. Passion fades over time. I suppose the incessant squeaking in the forum provides a bit of entertainment for him.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on September 02, 2024, 09:38:44 AM
Everyone keeps talking about new players like people are too stupid to ask questions or figure things out. Thousands of players over the years figured out the radar system before it was made into the EZ mode awacs that ruined situational awareness. Most of you reading this thread figured it out. Where is this abundance of new players everyone keeps talking about? I see different names who are good sticks (returning players) but few (if any) new ones. Now there is a bunch of you saying people are basically too stupid to function without being spoon fed people’s exact location. When are we going to do that for GVs? Why don’t tanks appear on radar when I get within 6k? Clear what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander?
I mean, if we’re just going to make the game stupid, let’s make it totally stupid. Turn on F3. Make the lead sight available. Eliminate perks all together. Enable unlimited ammo and fuel for 163s at all bases. How about autopilot that shoots why enemy for you?
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Skyyr on September 02, 2024, 09:54:34 AM
Everyone keeps talking about new players like people are too stupid to ask questions or figure things out. Thousands of players over the years figured out the radar system before it was made into the EZ mode awacs that ruined situational awareness. Most of you reading this thread figured it out. Where is this abundance of new players everyone keeps talking about? I see different names who are good sticks (returning players) but few (if any) new ones. Now there is a bunch of you saying people are basically too stupid to function without being spoon fed people’s exact location. When are we going to do that for GVs? Why don’t tanks appear on radar when I get within 6k? Clear what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander?
I mean, if we’re just going to make the game stupid, let’s make it totally stupid. Turn on F3. Make the lead sight available. Eliminate perks all together. Enable unlimited ammo and fuel for 163s at all bases. How about autopilot that shoots why enemy for you?
Well that's one of the reasons there's no new players: other games offer this and AH3 doesn't. I'm not complaining about this, I'm just pointing out a clear-cut difference.
Back when this game was popular, there weren't many other MMO air combat games and the ones that existed were worse. Now, you have War Thunder, World of Warplanes, etc. and they all do the things you suggest are ridiculous. Coincidentally, they have quite literally 1000x the number of players.
Players gravitate towards what's easy, because the average player is average and quite literally cannot absorb more without suffering performance drops. If there is anything that Dunning-Kruger has shown, it's that the average person is average and doesn't understand they're average nor do they understand how to identify it. Ergo, games that enable features that reduce nuanced complexity will generally have an increase in attractiveness. Reducing complexity increases perceived skill and success.
I mean, look at this tour and the stats required for Top 10. They've fallen so far compared to what was required just 5-6 years ago. I think the next highest fighter rank has < 3.0 k/d and almost 1 kill per sortie. 6 years ago, that wouldn't have made top 50 and likely not even top 100. 10 years ago, it wouldn't have even come close to the top 100.
Overall player skill and experience is nonexistent now, and that's for at least half of the current player base. If that's true (which it is), imagine how high the barrier to entry is for new players. Now realize players can go where nuance is reduced and they can get to the core of gameplay (fighting) near-instantly.
The average player age here is 60+, according to Hitech. The average gamer age is 34 and 52% of gamers are between the ages of 18 and 44, according to current marketing stats and poll results. Only 9% of gamers are in the 60+ crowd. A lot of the players here have certainly supported the game for a long time, but if you're not making changes to appeal to the current gaming group, you're not going to grow. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 02, 2024, 11:18:03 AM
I doubt there is any statistical reference that would suggest the current dar and kill messages have done anything to increase #s. Infact I'd say they dropped off since those changes. No one wants their name splattered infront of everyone when they die...
Warthunder has a lot of players because it's free to download and hop right into the action, AH has no custom arena server gameplay. These kids wants to hop right into the spawn and instantly start fighting. It also has a way better marketing team, and team in the first place. AH never had any real marketing.
Then it's rather low graphics scare the rest away, if you play war thunder or IL2 and then come to this, it's like going back in time. That's why it will never compare to those games. Especially with a subscription model on a game that should probably be free at this point.
That's why it's good to keep the game with strategic nuance rather than try to make it what it's not. No other game has the MMO achieved, so AH needs to stick to the niche and not become arcade which is what the other games already have.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 02, 2024, 12:34:39 PM
Well that's one of the reasons there's no new players: other games offer this and AH3 doesn't. I'm not complaining about this, I'm just pointing out a clear-cut difference.
Back when this game was popular, there weren't many other MMO air combat games and the ones that existed were worse. Now, you have War Thunder, World of Warplanes, etc. and they all do the things you suggest are ridiculous. Coincidentally, they have quite literally 1000x the number of players.
Players gravitate towards what's easy, because the average player is average and quite literally cannot absorb more without suffering performance drops. If there is anything that Dunning-Kruger has shown, it's that the average person is average and doesn't understand they're average nor do they understand how to identify it. Ergo, games that enable features that reduce nuanced complexity will generally have an increase in attractiveness. Reducing complexity increases perceived skill and success.
I mean, look at this tour and the stats required for Top 10. They've fallen so far compared to what was required just 5-6 years ago. I think the next highest fighter rank has < 3.0 k/d and almost 1 kill per sortie. 6 years ago, that wouldn't have made top 50 and likely not even top 100. 10 years ago, it wouldn't have even come close to the top 100.
Overall player skill and experience is nonexistent now, and that's for at least half of the current player base. If that's true (which it is), imagine how high the barrier to entry is for new players. Now realize players can go where nuance is reduced and they can get to the core of gameplay (fighting) near-instantly.
The average player age here is 60+, according to Hitech. The average gamer age is 34 and 52% of gamers are between the ages of 18 and 44, according to current marketing stats and poll results. Only 9% of gamers are in the 60+ crowd. A lot of the players here have certainly supported the game for a long time, but if you're not making changes to appeal to the current gaming group, you're not going to grow. It is what it is.
You never cease being an arrogant idiot. YOU suck
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Lusche on September 02, 2024, 12:34:50 PM
I mean, look at this tour and the stats required for Top 10. They've fallen so far compared to what was required just 5-6 years ago. I think the next highest fighter rank has < 3.0 k/d and almost 1 kill per sortie. 6 years ago, that wouldn't have made top 50 and likely not even top 100. 10 years ago, it wouldn't have even come close to the top 100.
Numbers play a big role here. The environment has changed just because of it. You don't necessarily need less 'skilled players' to explain the decline of the stats.
The 'top shots' have much fewer targets to fee upon. As a European player, a long time ago I was able to play with up to 300 ppl in my timezone. Action was packed. Lots of opportunities for action of all kinds. Plenty of raids vs the single strats, so even an alt monkey like me could get a considerable number of engagements per hour. Now numbers are in the 30s during my prime time, in strat defense you could fly for over an hour without seeing anyone (and small maps means little early warning, so you gotta be airborne before spotting a strat runner, unless 163s are available)
Or vulchings - plenty of prolonged battles with extensive vulching opportunities, even during euro times. Lack of players means those things hardly happen anymore on that scale, especially when the number imbalance has become more volatile and the two defenders say "screw it" vs 12 attackers.
Remember, once ago, the top 10 players made up less than 0.2 percent of all pilots. Last tour it was 1.3%
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 02, 2024, 12:42:51 PM
Numbers play a big role here. The environment has changed just because of it. You don't necessarily need less 'skilled players' to explain the decline of the stats.
The 'top shots' have much fewer targets to fee upon. As a European player, a long time ago I was able to play with up to 300 ppl in my timezone. Action was packed. Lots of opportunities for action of all kinds. Plenty of raids vs the single strats, so even an alt monkey like me could get a considerable number of engagements per hour. Now numbers are in the 30s during my prime time, in strat defense you could fly for over an hour without seeing anyone (and small maps means little early warning, so you gotta be airborne before spotting a strat runner, unless 163s are available)
Or vulchings - plenty of prolonged battles with extensive vulching opportunities, even during euro times. Lack of players means those things hardly happen anymore on that scale, especially when the number imbalance has become more volatile and the two defenders say "screw it" vs 12 attackers.
Remember, once ago, the top 10 players made up less than 0.2 percent of all pilots. Last tour it was 1.3%
It always invites numbers to target players over and over, then kill the less skilled and called them retarded childish names, like an infant. The guy is a walking oxyMORON. He chews his own feet off then crys like a lil spoiled baby brat that he has no feet to walk on.
We got 200 and bbs somewhat calmed down to be more inviting, then we get this GARBAGE circus geek forced upon us after we fought so hard to get numbers up, just for this fecal farmer to chase them away.
I'm way beyond fed up with this decision. Someone needs to admit they were wrong, or admit they want the game to die. Because it's doing a damn good job of it.
To be in his ripoff squad name to insult others, you probably have to bow down to him, kiss his ring and praise him as the god of gods. For god sakes, spare yourself SOME damn dignity.
Say ONE thing that MAY not praise his shallow feeble ego, you get "punished" with videos, again, like a spoiled rotten crybaby brat baby. As if we care as much as he does. We should start bombing the life out of the bbs with videos of him be killed every 10-15 minutes, as it is. He does it because he knows he'd lose his ever loving mind if someone did it to him,.. thinking we are as shallow and fragile as he is. We're not. we don't care, he looks more the fool than anyone he does it to.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on September 02, 2024, 03:07:58 PM
Let’s say AH is Coke and warthunder is Pepsi…
Stop trying to Pepsi my Coke!
Stop trying to make me like “New Coke”
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Eagler on September 02, 2024, 03:12:08 PM
As mentioned on 200 by Animl-AW last night in ma, there were 120 players online b4 9pm eastern..
That's more than enough if the maps were sized properly
As that is a peak number, the map last night was about 50% too large imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Banshee7 on September 02, 2024, 04:08:46 PM
Well it's discounted if paid in full for the year, so technically it's only a monthly fee for half of you guys.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Shuffler on September 03, 2024, 03:18:56 PM
Shuffler has killed two trees..... again. Roll out a new PJ, the old one is in pieces. Fill up the Cuevo and Leroux..... check the ice and blender. We gonna roll again......
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 09:37:43 AM
Everyone keeps talking about new players like people are too stupid to ask questions or figure things out. Thousands of players over the years figured out the radar system before it was made into the EZ mode awacs that ruined situational awareness. Most of you reading this thread figured it out. Where is this abundance of new players everyone keeps talking about? I see different names who are good sticks (returning players) but few (if any) new ones. Now there is a bunch of you saying people are basically too stupid to function without being spoon fed people’s exact location. When are we going to do that for GVs? Why don’t tanks appear on radar when I get within 6k? Clear what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander?
I mean, if we’re just going to make the game stupid, let’s make it totally stupid. Turn on F3. Make the lead sight available. Eliminate perks all together. Enable unlimited ammo and fuel for 163s at all bases. How about autopilot that shoots why enemy for you?
And we wonder why the game isn't growing... :rolleyes:
Radar is fine as it is. Leave it alone.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 09:41:48 AM
It always invites numbers to target players over and over, then kill the less skilled and called them retarded childish names, like an infant. The guy is a walking oxyMORON. He chews his own feet off then crys like a lil spoiled baby brat that he has no feet to walk on.
We got 200 and bbs somewhat calmed down to be more inviting, then we get this GARBAGE circus geek forced upon us after we fought so hard to get numbers up, just for this fecal farmer to chase them away.
I'm way beyond fed up with this decision. Someone needs to admit they were wrong, or admit they want the game to die. Because it's doing a damn good job of it.
To be in his ripoff squad name to insult others, you probably have to bow down to him, kiss his ring and praise him as the god of gods. For god sakes, spare yourself SOME damn dignity.
Say ONE thing that MAY not praise his shallow feeble ego, you get "punished" with videos, again, like a spoiled rotten crybaby brat baby. As if we care as much as he does. We should start bombing the life out of the bbs with videos of him be killed every 10-15 minutes, as it is. He does it because he knows he'd lose his ever loving mind if someone did it to him,.. thinking we are as shallow and fragile as he is. We're not. we don't care, he looks more the fool than anyone he does it to.
Nah. We just stab voodoo dolls of you then pull their talking strings to watch you go ape on the forums. 🍿
As for the rest of your diatribe: You stay classy, San Diego.
(Why Hitech hasn't PNG'd you long ago is beyond me.)
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: icepac on September 05, 2024, 10:19:42 AM
I left because of the dar change.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: LilMak on September 05, 2024, 10:25:59 AM
We've got way more players who stayed because of the new radar than those who left. Hitech should have implemented it sooner to stop the bleeding, tbf.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 11:03:58 AM
Well, considering how you keep stealing Skyyr (and losing) you may be right. :banana:
Good, move along. After that one comment I'm willing to think you lost all respect from everyone. Go ahead, get on your bicycle and pedal off. Ya both have the mentality of a 10 yr old. No offense to 10 yr olds
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 11:07:00 AM
If you don't care then why are you here 🤬ing all over the boards?
You literally contribute nothing here. You're shtick is old--and limp.
I'm having coffee, watching you two vomit on yourselves. I don't contribute? That's laughable, but then you're a joke who should move along. You two brought it, now you're crying? Why would I care what people I do not respect think about me? I think someone summed it up very well, fecal farmers.
You two are like puppets on strings, I can keep you going until the world turns flat <shrug>
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 11:16:12 AM
I'm having coffee, watching you two vomit on yourselves. I don't contribute? That's laughable, but then you're a joke who should move along. You two brought it, now you're crying?
Vomit ourselves?
You're the one spamming the boards with delusional nonsense not us. Do us all a favor and STFU.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 05, 2024, 11:19:21 AM
You're the one spamming the boards with delusional nonsense not us. Do us all a favor and STFU.
You brought it, you shot your stupid mouths off, now you're crying?
Why do I care what people I have zero respect for think about me? After your comment about a player icon who passed away,... I doubt you have many friends left here.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 11:21:55 AM
You brought it, you shot your stupid mouths off, now you're crying?
Why do I care what people I have zero respect for think about me? After your comment about a player icon who passed away,... I doubt you have many friends left here.
My comment was the truth. Crying??? You're the one whining over a homeless drunk liar not me.
Go take your meds little boy.
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Animl-AW on September 05, 2024, 11:22:48 AM
Sounds like your SA has failed. Hard to believe with that great radar. :bolt:
Maybe. Yet I still don’t need a crutch like prox dar to help me find targets. Nor do I need it to pad my score. Actually, If I cared about score, I’d probably love the awacs. Which is probably why so many people think it’s great. I caters to their socialist tendencies. Why work for something (fight) when you can get it for free (pick).
Title: Re: Already 5 votes....
Post by: Vraciu on September 05, 2024, 12:32:11 PM