Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DmonSlyr on January 13, 2025, 07:58:30 AM
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It's horrible for a MMO game like this. Can we please bring some strategy back to the game? We've already got 3/4ths of the pilot's flying the easiest planes in the game, using multiple account shades, ect. I just hate how people already know whose who in the air the minute they get a kill. Loses all fog of war, they already know how the fights gonna be, already know whether to set up a fight or not. We saw how its been abused. I just dont understand for life of me why this needs to be implemented in the game so the whole freaking arena knows when you get shot down or shoot someone down. Like what is the actual point for this? We already have Dot dar, how much more strategy can we take out of the game?
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Cant you detune that channel and then you will be surprised non stop?
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Cant you detune that channel and then you will be surprised non stop?
It's not really about that. I'd rather not tell the entire base or furball I'm diving on that's it me when I get a kill. If the player on their side wants to call me out, so be it, but I just think it's stupid to give away the player in the fight so that everyone can adjust their SA/ flying style while that player doesn't get any ability to see who they are fighting. And, I don't think that just because a player killed someone, that it should be blasted all over the arena for people to comment on. The whole incentive was to get atleast 2 kills to get your name in lights. Now it's every kill recognition without even landing... I think it just takes away another part of critical thinking to SA and combat when you know someone died across the map for example and then a player can make decisions on that. Or as soon as I know it's a specific player I know how to enter the fight against them. Perhaps a better thing if it just has to be so, is to add their name at the end of the landed × kills successfully. If everyone just has to know who he shot down...This would atleast not tarnish current SA of that player.
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It's not really about that. I'd rather not tell the entire base or furball I'm diving on that's it me when I get a kill. If the player on their side wants to call me out, so be it, but I just think it's stupid to give away the player in the fight so that everyone can adjust their SA/ flying style while that player doesn't get any ability to see who they are fighting. And, I don't think that just because a player killed someone, that it should be blasted all over the arena for people to comment on. The whole incentive was to get atleast 2 kills to get your name in lights. Now it's every kill recognition without even landing... I think it just takes away another part of critical thinking to SA and combat when you know someone died across the map for example and then a player can make decisions on that. Or as soon as I know it's a specific player I know how to enter the fight against them. Perhaps a better thing if it just has to be so, is to add their name at the end of the landed × kills successfully. If everyone just has to know who he shot down...This would atleast not tarnish current SA of that player.
What about a 5 sec delay?
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Maybe switch the system message to "A KILL has been recorded!" and then if you land with 2 or more kills you get your name in lights.
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I like it, shows some sign of life in the buffer. I also like people trying to kill me.
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As everyone can't help but use it now, changing it would change the game greatly for the better imo
That and a dar change and it's a brand new game..
Still a code change so not holding out much hope...
Eagler
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I like it, shows some sign of life in the buffer. I also like people trying to kill me.
In my yute I hated it, because I thought it encouraged score whoring. I'm comfortable with it now for what Lazerr said. After seeing "[anyman] shot down Oldman" multiple times, I see more and more enemas entering my quadrant. Makes for fun fights.
- oldman
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As everyone can't help but use it now, changing it would change the game greatly for the better imo
That and a dar change and it's a brand new game..
Still a code change so not holding out much hope...
Eagler
I would vote for proximity dar be removed. As well as larger icons for bombers.. I think I prefer the old dots for any type of AC. I'd also throw a little larger delay on it.
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I like it, shows some sign of life in the buffer. I also like people trying to kill me.
I feel like it's should be the map showing the signs of life of where the action is. While you may want people to kill you, that's not really the objective of the game, just your own objective to an extent, but in general It takes away the advantage of anonymity in the fight while you don't get to know who the player is. To me, that is a an advantage for the other player and I'm not sure how that's particularly fair.
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Maybe switch the system message to "A KILL has been recorded!" and then if you land with 2 or more kills you get your name in lights.
:aok
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I prefer the current system because it gets rid of the brags disguised as salutes.
Can't tell me you guys don't see far fewer fake saultes because the information was already out there.
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I prefer the current system because it gets rid of the brags disguised as salutes.
Can't tell me you guys don't see far fewer fake saultes because the information was already out there.
I see far more LOLs and comments from other players when they see a certain player died.. thats no beuno.
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I think it was implementation without the ability for the "recently towered" to opt out being shown to the whole damn arena was a grave error. :old:
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Maybe switch the system message to "A KILL has been recorded!" and then if you land with 2 or more kills you get your name in lights.
This^^
If it bothers too many.
I can see the reason its used, it feeds competition and reward. Especially when someone has been braggy to someone and trolling them,…then get killed by them. Lol
I bet the younger crowd likes seeing their name flashed in a kill.
It has purposes and it could become boring without them.
I see both points. OTOH, some need to stop worrying about what people think of them. Ya gitta have some thicker skin and self-deprecating for humor. If ya don’t try to be the greatest no ine wants to knock you down, its a gunfighter environment. Everyone wants to beat the best.
If anyone should be embarrassed its me lol. Come fly with me, I’ll make ya look awesome.
If I had a vote, I don’t, and there was a change I’d vote your direction.
Meh! Either way
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I would vote for proximity dar be removed. As well as larger icons for bombers.. I think I prefer the old dots for any type of AC. I'd also throw a little larger delay on it.
While I’m not a fan of the icons showing type and direction of travel or the kill messages, I can live with them. The proximity dar is TRASH and needs to be taken out accordingly.
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Kill messages allow information to be gained that you would not be able to know otherwise...
But as it's an ego stroker it ain't going nowhere...more ppl would complain that it was gone than would appreciate it
Eagler
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I'd like to opt out of any of my kills or deaths being put out arena wide. I feel that the option should be available.
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I like knowing who's where. Last night, it was "I'll bet that's flippz." We were isolated enough to have fights that were mostly 1v1. I prefer tactical over strategic. It's an air combat game to me.
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The minute one worries about what someone thinks of them, the same minute they become a prisoner to them. Within reason of course.
Invoice sent
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The minute one worries about what someone thinks of them, the same minute they become a prisoner to them. Within reason of course.
Invoice sent
That's a great philosophy! but why does the whole arena need to know someone was shot down by someone else? Has there been any measure whether this actually benefited the #s since implemented because I doubt there can be, and if anything, it just made old players leave IMO due to the acknowledgement to the arena that you were shot down by so and so..We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?
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We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?
Not clear why that would bother someone. Lord knows, I die more than others, and it doesn't trouble me that everyone knows that.
- oldman
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Not clear why that would bother someone. Lord knows, I die more than others, and it doesn't trouble me that everyone knows that.
- oldman
Well it probably bothered people a lot less when their names weren't posted. A couple of you aren't bothered by it, but how many players left who were bothered and annoyed by it filling up the text messages? But how many do we know joined the game because of it? While some aren't bothered, many are, and again, it's about giving away strategic positioning and giving the advantage to the other team who now knows who you are and can make decisions based on it. Its like "oh that's violator now" so I'm going to fly over here and get alt so I can attack him with advantage knowing he's a good stick". Or "hey that's violator so let's all gang him so we can get him out of the fight so we don't have worry about him." Ect. Meanwhile, Violator doesn't get to know who they are... see how that might create an advantage for them? Why not just list the name of the people he shot down during their landing message? Atleast it wouldn't give away player positions, which is the main gripe I have.
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Well it probably bothered people a lot less when their names weren't posted. A couple of you aren't bothered by it, but how many players left who were bothered and annoyed by it filling up the text messages? But how many do we know joined the game because of it? While some aren't bothered, many are, and again, it's about giving away strategic positioning and giving the advantage to the other team who now knows who you are and can make decisions based on it. Its like "oh that's violator now" so I'm going to fly over here and get alt so I can attack him with advantage knowing he's a good stick". Or "hey that's violator so let's all gang him so we can get him out of the fight so we don't have worry about him." Ect. Meanwhile, Violator doesn't get to know who they are... see how that might create an advantage for them? Why not just list the name of the people he shot down during their landing message? Atleast it wouldn't give away player positions, which is the main gripe I have.
It kind of sounds like it's more about fighting on your terms vio.
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It kind of sounds like it's more about fighting on your terms vio.
We all use the advantage the kill messages give...if it Lazer or Violator that killed your buddy per the kill message you react one way than if it's a player with less experience and ability you'd reacted another way..
The kill message should go while the 2 kills or more landing kill message should stay imo
Nice to hear HTs thoughts as it's only his that really counts..
Eagler
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Removing notice of perk kills, its deceiving. That would be my compromise and retain both worlds. 10 notices of someone getting perk kills just because they are there is clutter that proves nothing. False positive/negative,…waste of text buffer space. Then those who died usually waste more space saying it was a perk.
Another negative, we had a player banter others that they killed them when it was a perk kill.
IMO its just undue clutter.
OTOH I may just not understand the reasoning. And thats usually the case on many issues.
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30 second process to make a separate window for system messages, so they are separate from player chat.
Why is everyone so soft about people knowing they got shot down?
If you aren't getting shot down you aren't playing the game right
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30 second process to make a separate window for system messages, so they are separate from player chat.
Why is everyone so soft about people knowing they got shot down?
If you aren't getting shot down you aren't playing the game right
I mean some people just don't like to announce that they've been shot down or announce their strategic position when they get a kill. I don't see why that's such a hard thing to comprehend in a war MMO strategy game lol. Shoot when I play some other games, they have no map positioning, no friendly positioning, I don't even have a marker on the map, and supposedly those game are more popular? Does it make sense to have too much easiness in player location and no sneakyness at all?
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That's a great philosophy! but why does the whole arena need to know someone was shot down by someone else? Has there been any measure whether this actually benefited the #s since implemented because I doubt there can be, and if anything, it just made old players leave IMO due to the acknowledgement to the arena that you were shot down by so and so..We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?
Keep in mind, almost any debate, I'm most likely playing the devils advocate, throwing things up against the wall that may not be considered. So if you take offense I'll find where you live and let my dog crap on your doorstep, if I had a dog. I'm not defending the use as much as why it MAY have been implemented, POSSIBLE reasoning.
Everyone does play and even view the game differently, on many levels. Point is, it's not all at your level.
Pros
1) I think it's cool when some bloating mouth bragger who targets someone, calling them worthless loser pilot, and then it flashes on the screen he just got his butt handed to him by the player they were belittling, priceless. Insert foot in mouth.
2) Yep, people (my guess a younger crowd) like their name in lights accomplishing something they see as big, to some it doesn't even matter who they killed, killing anyone can be an accomplishment. <cough> Why not reward them to keep them striving? As I remember HT is big on rewarding accomplishments, it retains interest.
I.E. If some new guy comes in, puts a lot of time and effort into being good enough to run with the big dogs, and then it flashes he killed one,.. yep, that makes them someone now. High Five!
Cons
Extreme Competition
I think it bothers some more when it's a deep seated rival "proving a point" that the rival sucks (that will be reversed next fight). Now the winner loves it scrolling the loser loathes it scrolling. Do you not try to make sure the next time it scrolls changes to your benefit, did you not just reverse a point? You don't want your wins shown?
What I notice is, it's more likely disliked by anyone trying to be top gun, which naturally carries rivals. It's an ego booster and smasher depending on POV.
I think the ones who care less either way have been around long enough to watch top guns come and go. It's not the end all. I put a lot of work into being #1 in AW, just to have it torched 3 days later. Trying to retain it was a lot of effort that in long run made me so competitive that I drove myself nuts and angry at myself if something failed. I suck, but I'm good.
I think it all comes down to POV.
I also think it hold a slim chance of changing.
I do not believe it effects numbers one way or another.
It would effect numbers if there was no ranking system.
<shrug>
Just an old dog's devil's advocate POV.
everyone knows you're a real good pilot. Don't let the small beans bother you. :) <S>
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Sorry.. I think the attention grabber when someone is in an area laying the smack down is what helps create fights. You can either join in or go somewhere else.
I don't see any negative to the feature other than traffic in the buffer, which has its perks too. Like I mentioned before, setting radios up correctly eliminates that one negative.
Regardless if you like it or not, younger generations are turned on by gratification. The younger ones are the only ones that might boost this games player base.
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Sorry.. I think the attention grabber when someone is in an area laying the smack down is what helps create fights. You can either join in or go somewhere else.
I don't see any negative to the feature other than traffic in the buffer, which has its perks too. Like I mentioned before, setting radios up correctly eliminates that one negative.
Regardless if you like it or not, younger generations are turned on by gratification. The younger ones are the only ones that might boost this games player base.
HA!, they figure out where I am and all rush in knowing it's an easy kill. I tend to constantly have 2-5 on my 6.
The younger generation is your future in all things in life. Ya gotta bring em along and teach em well, both skills and ethics, don't look down. Accept them, teach them and show em a good time and their bellybutton will follow.
When I was 29 and got into AW (89), quite a lot were older than me and def more experienced. I kinda looked up to them for the way. They had every answer. Even today I view them as many steps above me. So I followed their path, got good at the game and went into doing things for the game. It's a really great experience to wander all territories. I'm not the best, I just learned from the best that I knew (IMO). My bellybutton followed.
Today at 65 and retired,... here I am, again, worthless and weak, but I still have my heart into it. :)
Scores? Meh!. Branch out. You've already achieved high skill. Get involved, be more than that.
Try to stay positive towards things that may not change. I don't view it as a deal breaker,
<shrug>