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Offline LilMak

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2025, 08:40:44 AM »
I would vote for proximity dar be removed.  As well as larger icons for bombers..  I think I prefer the old dots for any type of AC.  I'd also throw a little larger delay on it.
While I’m not a fan of the icons showing type and direction of travel or the kill messages, I can live with them. The proximity dar is TRASH and needs to be taken out accordingly.
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2025, 08:44:58 AM »
Kill messages allow information to be gained that you would not be able to know otherwise...

But as it's an ego stroker it ain't going nowhere...more ppl would complain that it was gone than would appreciate it

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2025, 10:23:53 AM »
I'd like to opt out of any of my kills or deaths being put out arena wide. I feel that the option should be available.
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2025, 01:22:41 PM »
I like knowing who's where.  Last night, it was "I'll bet that's flippz." We were isolated enough to have fights that were mostly 1v1.  I prefer tactical over strategic.  It's an air combat game to me.
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2025, 02:51:00 PM »
The minute one worries about what someone thinks of them, the same minute they become a prisoner to them. Within reason of course.

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2025, 03:43:43 PM »
The minute one worries about what someone thinks of them, the same minute they become a prisoner to them. Within reason of course.

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That's a great philosophy! but why does the whole arena need to know someone was shot down by someone else? Has there been any measure whether this actually benefited the #s since implemented because I doubt there can be, and if anything, it just made old players leave IMO due to the acknowledgement to the arena that you were shot down by so and so..We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2025, 10:14:41 PM »
We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?


Not clear why that would bother someone.  Lord knows, I die more than others, and it doesn't trouble me that everyone knows that.

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2025, 08:11:50 AM »

Not clear why that would bother someone.  Lord knows, I die more than others, and it doesn't trouble me that everyone knows that.

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Well it probably bothered people a lot less when their names weren't posted. A couple of you aren't bothered by it, but how many players left who were bothered and annoyed by it filling up the text messages? But how many do we know joined the game because of it? While some aren't bothered, many are, and again, it's about giving away strategic positioning and giving the advantage to the other team who now knows who you are and can make decisions based on it. Its like "oh that's violator now" so I'm going to fly over here and get alt so I can attack him with advantage knowing he's a good stick". Or "hey that's violator so let's all gang him so we can get him out of the fight so we don't have worry about him."  Ect. Meanwhile, Violator doesn't get to know who they are... see how that might create an advantage for them? Why not just list the name of the people he shot down during their landing message? Atleast it wouldn't give away player positions, which is the main gripe I have.
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2025, 09:14:23 AM »
Well it probably bothered people a lot less when their names weren't posted. A couple of you aren't bothered by it, but how many players left who were bothered and annoyed by it filling up the text messages? But how many do we know joined the game because of it? While some aren't bothered, many are, and again, it's about giving away strategic positioning and giving the advantage to the other team who now knows who you are and can make decisions based on it. Its like "oh that's violator now" so I'm going to fly over here and get alt so I can attack him with advantage knowing he's a good stick". Or "hey that's violator so let's all gang him so we can get him out of the fight so we don't have worry about him."  Ect. Meanwhile, Violator doesn't get to know who they are... see how that might create an advantage for them? Why not just list the name of the people he shot down during their landing message? Atleast it wouldn't give away player positions, which is the main gripe I have.

It kind of sounds like it's more about fighting on your terms vio.

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2025, 09:49:56 AM »
It kind of sounds like it's more about fighting on your terms vio.

We all use the advantage the kill messages give...if it Lazer or Violator that killed your buddy per the kill message you react one way than if it's a player with less experience and ability you'd reacted another way..

The kill message should go while the 2 kills or more landing kill message should stay imo

Nice to hear HTs thoughts as it's only his that really counts..

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2025, 11:22:44 AM »
Removing notice of perk kills, its deceiving. That would be my compromise and retain both worlds. 10 notices of someone getting perk kills just because they are there is clutter that proves nothing. False positive/negative,…waste of text buffer space. Then those who died usually waste more space saying it was a perk.

Another negative, we had a player banter others that they killed them when it was a perk kill.

IMO its just undue clutter.

OTOH  I may just not understand the reasoning. And thats usually the case on many issues.

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2025, 01:28:08 PM »
30 second process to make a separate window for system messages, so they are separate from player chat.

Why is everyone so soft about people knowing they got shot down?

If you aren't getting shot down you aren't playing the game right

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2025, 10:08:39 AM »
30 second process to make a separate window for system messages, so they are separate from player chat.

Why is everyone so soft about people knowing they got shot down?

If you aren't getting shot down you aren't playing the game right

I mean some people just don't like to announce that they've been shot down or announce their strategic position when they get a kill. I don't see why that's such a hard thing to comprehend in a war MMO strategy game lol. Shoot when I play some other games, they have no map positioning, no friendly positioning, I don't even have a marker on the map, and supposedly those game are more popular? Does it make sense to have too much easiness in player location and no sneakyness at all?
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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2025, 12:18:29 PM »
That's a great philosophy! but why does the whole arena need to know someone was shot down by someone else? Has there been any measure whether this actually benefited the #s since implemented because I doubt there can be, and if anything, it just made old players leave IMO due to the acknowledgement to the arena that you were shot down by so and so..We all play the game the way we want and some like to die more than others, I just don't know why that needs to be shared at the time of death or even at all?

Keep in mind, almost any debate, I'm most likely playing the devils advocate, throwing things up against the wall that may not be considered. So if you take offense I'll find where you live and let my dog crap on your doorstep, if I had a dog. I'm not defending the use as much as why it MAY have been implemented, POSSIBLE reasoning.

Everyone does play and even view the game differently, on many levels. Point is, it's not all at your level.

Pros
1) I think it's cool when some bloating mouth bragger who targets someone, calling them worthless loser pilot, and then it flashes on the screen he just got his butt handed to him by the player they were belittling, priceless. Insert foot in mouth.

2) Yep, people (my guess a younger crowd) like their name in lights accomplishing something they see as big, to some it doesn't even matter who they killed, killing anyone can be an accomplishment. <cough> Why not reward them to keep them striving? As I remember HT is big on rewarding accomplishments, it retains interest.

I.E. If some new guy comes in, puts a lot of time and effort into being good enough to run with the big dogs, and then it flashes he killed one,.. yep, that makes them someone now. High Five!

Cons
Extreme Competition
I think it bothers some more when it's a deep seated rival "proving a point" that the rival sucks (that will be reversed next fight). Now the winner loves it scrolling the loser loathes it scrolling. Do you not try to make sure the next time it scrolls changes to your benefit, did you not just reverse a point? You don't want your wins shown?

What I notice is, it's more likely disliked by anyone trying to be top gun, which naturally carries rivals. It's an ego booster and smasher depending on POV.

I think the ones who care less either way have been around long enough to watch top guns come and go. It's not the end all. I put a lot of work into being #1 in AW, just to have it torched 3 days later. Trying to retain it was a lot of effort that in long run made me so competitive that I drove myself nuts and angry at myself if something failed. I suck, but I'm good.

I think it all comes down to POV.
I also think it hold a slim chance of changing.
I do not believe it effects numbers one way or another.
It would effect numbers if there was no ranking system.

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Just an old dog's devil's advocate POV.

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Re: Please Remove kill count messages
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2025, 12:38:12 PM »
Sorry.. I think the attention grabber when someone is in an area laying the smack down is what helps create fights.  You can either join in or go somewhere else.

I don't see any negative to the feature other than traffic in the buffer, which has its perks too.  Like I mentioned before, setting radios up correctly eliminates that one negative.

Regardless if you like it or not, younger generations are turned on by gratification.  The younger ones are the only ones that might boost this games player base.