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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DmonSlyr on January 20, 2025, 09:53:33 AM
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Being very over used by elite long time players. Its not good for the game. This is an example of how "muh 15" is not beneficial to the gameplay.
Last 2 tours, top 3 most kills for fighters, with the top overall K/D for the game at over 5.
Look at the kills difference between the 262 and Tempest. It's out of control. The Tempest is better than the 262 tbh.
What is the point of having all of these planes if only the easy ones are going to be used?
Please Hitech, these vets are running players out of the game with their usage of the easy modes to get kills faster. This is not good.
I'd preferably like to see atleats a 5 perk cost for the spit16 and Nik too. 4 20s is one of the best gun solutions in the game, the Nik and spit16 are 2 of the best turners and straight up climbers. These planes are making it too easy for vets to reck less skilled players.
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Maybe model the notorious unreliability.
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Being very over used by elite long time players. Its not good for the game. This is an example of how "muh 15" is not beneficial to the gameplay.
Last 2 tours, top 3 most kills for fighters, with the top overall K/D for the game at over 5.
Please Hitech, these vets are running players out of the game with their usage of the easy modes to get kills faster. This is not good.
The entire eny system needs an update/overhaul, tbh, but it's unlikely to happen.
The stats page shows an interesting line up of tempest players. For Dec '24 the top 10 (out of 134 players) had 65% (1,724 out of 2653) of the kill totals.
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I never thought I would miss chasing endless P-51s but I’d much rather deal with them than endless Tempests
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The entire eny system needs an update/overhaul, tbh, but it's unlikely to happen.
The stats page shows an interesting line up of tempest players. For Dec '24 the top 10 (out of 134 players) had 65% (1,724 out of 2653) of the kill totals.
Yeah, I mean why can't we have a perk system like the tanks? All these top late wars should have atleast 5 perks. Just way too much over usage. Need to bring the game back to mid/late-early war. The concept of having to fly an Uber plane because everyone else is, is just lame... why do so many vets need to hide behind this?
The Temp #s blow everything away though, which is why we should atleast give that a 100 point increase or the same as a 262. It's just too damn good...
I never thought I would miss chasing endless P-51s but I’d much rather deal with them than endless Tempests
Yeah Tempest really are that much better too. The 4 20mm hispanos are the best guns in the game. It will turn just as well as a P51 at high speeds, and excels/climbs much better. You have to be quite a bit more skilled to be as effective in the P51 as the Tempest simply because of the guns alone.
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Yeah, I mean why can't we have a perk system like the tanks? All these top late wars should have atleast 5 perks.
Any changes to eny or perk costs, or resetting perk balances, will come with gnashing and screaming. Doesn't mean it still can't occur if it benefits HTC.
Why don't you propose to work with someone to present what you would think would be a good eny/perk system? I don't think it would require that much actual coading unless some tables are interlinked and unintended consequences might creep in from maths or something.
All three aspects and two systems need looking at, imho: figthers/jabo, GVs and bombers; for both eny and perk costs.
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Maybe model the notorious unreliability.
Yeah…kinda think there should be a 33% chance a 163 blows up on the runway too.
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Yeah…kinda think there should be a 33% chance a 163 blows up on the runway too.
:lol :lol
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Yeah…kinda think there should be a 33% chance a 163 blows up on the runway too.
And B29 engines fail/burst into flame without warning 10% of their running time.
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I think few films of how a 262/tempest sortie can change the outcome of a hoarde are needed for violator. Not everyone hovers over a fight like 2cmex and company with these birds. Sorry when I say fight.. I meant a deacked field.
Some of these bloated plane stats come from me using them, but rarely in the fashion the above mentioned do.
At the end of the day, you can either compete with a handgun, or a machine gun. I'm not going to put myself at a 200% disadvantage to fly what you think I should fly. I also don't care to fly to 15k to try and bust the tops off these hoards with a inferior plane. Especially when nobody else is there to help.
Do I think ENY needs adjusting? Yes. Raising the 262 and tempest cost? No. That won't stop the people abusing it, as they have enough perks. You'd just be limiting the amount of people that access to it.
(Not the ones abusing it)
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I think few films of how a 262/tempest sortie can change the outcome of a hoarde are needed for violator. Not everyone hovers over a fight like 2cmex and company with these birds. Sorry when I say fight.. I meant a deacked field.
Some of these bloated plane stats come from me using them, but rarely in the fashion the above mentioned do.
At the end of the day, you can either compete with a handgun, or a machine gun. I'm not going to put myself at a 200% disadvantage to fly what you think I should fly. I also don't care to fly to 15k to try and bust the tops off these hoards with a inferior plane. Especially when nobody else is there to help.
Do I think ENY needs adjusting? Yes. Raising the 262 and tempest cost? No. That won't stop the people abusing it, as they have enough perks. You'd just be limiting the amount of people that access to it.
(Not the ones abusing it)
1 person attacking a horde makes sense, but I'm always seeing Temps with # advantage in the fight. Less people flying them is the key. Only the people who have the ability or want to spend the perks will roll one to take on the horde. Most of these players are not rolling to attack the horde. They are the horde. Making them 200 perks would curtail dependence on these planes a little. This plane gets a 5 K/D (highest in the game) with the top 3 most kills. Its 32 perks for me right now in game, if I die! It's too easy right now and it's lazy, but I can't see this over dependence benefitting the game.
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1 person attacking a horde makes sense, but I'm always seeing Temps with # advantage in the fight. Less people flying them is the key. Only the people who have the ability or want to spend the perks will roll one to take on the horde. Most of these players are not rolling to attack the horde. They are the horde. Making them 200 perks would curtail dependence on these planes a little. This plane gets a 5 K/D (highest in the game) with the top 3 most kills. Its 32 perks for me right now in game, if I die! It's too easy right now and it's lazy, but I can't see this over dependence benefitting the game.
Nor do I. Maybe a conversation to have with the guy that has a 3rd world Internet connection and a squad filled with people who love to pick.
I don't really see it as a problem outside of that. If they choose to shat where they eat, that's on them.
If you take a tempest from them, they will be in the next fastest plane, assuming they run out of perks. Follow that trend and the 109 series and typhoon will be perked too. Also limiting a plane selection for new people just because you chose not to fight fire with fire.
They only way to really resolve this is fixing the player, not the game.
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Just a thought.
When planes are perked, does it not just push players to the next best free plane, creating the next fad?
Seems to me it's normal human nature to take the path of least resistance.
Last yr there seemed to be a fad of 109/HOs.
Here's what I don't get about perks. The best pilots get the best planes (kinda get the reward thing), and newbie has to fight that. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to tilt the table against the newbie. What am I missing? newbies in a bad plane going up against a vert in a great plane. <scratches head> Doesn't that elevate the learning curve, putting it almost out of reach?
A plane is only as good as the pilot.
I dunno I seem to be missing something.
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Yes, the key is to push them into planes that are less super sonic cannon toting easy BnZ. There's a reason why planes advanced in the war in real life. Faster was always key. They did that for a reason... and yes more vets in these planes makes it a lot harder for noobs/growers. A plane with a 5 K/D should not also be one of the top killers. That was the whole point of perking the planes. You are telling me it's logical that the Temp does better in the MA than the 262 in both kills and K/D and the 262 is 162 perks vs 32 for the Temp? Cmon yall know that a 109 and tiffie ain't the same as a Tempest...
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yes more vets in these planes makes it a lot harder for noobs/growers.
So do you think when we talk about numbers and retaining new players this imbalance won't feed discouragement?
Ya gotta give em a chance with something, IMO
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I miss the old days when the "best of the best" flew flew other than the top of the line, mostly to challenge themselves. Even "YKW" flew the G2 a bunch. Todays players arent looking for a challenge or a fight, they are looking for kill counts and the only way they can rack them up is by flying the tempest and such.
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So do you think when we talk about numbers and retaining new players this imbalance won't feed discouragement?
Ya gotta give em a chance with something, IMO
Thats not how it works though. A noob in a Temp isn't going to know how to compete well enough to be effective and has 0 chance against a vet in a Temp. Normally a noob will grab a P51, have 0 clue, and get rekt no matter what. Less people overall flying the top planes is what we should strive for. A 200 perk will curtail usage back to where the 262 is. I'm sure they will go back to other noobish fast planes, but they still don't compare to the Temp in speed and guns.
I miss the old days when the "best of the best" flew flew other than the top of the line, mostly to challenge themselves. Even "YKW" flew the G2 a bunch. Todays players arent looking for a challenge or a fight, they are looking for kill counts and the only way they can rack them up is by flying the tempest and such.
Meh, he tried but his over usage of super BnZ late war cannon monsters ran a lot of players off. This is something I always feared a good player would do with the amount of time they played is bully the arena endlessly in EZ mode BnZers. It really does have an impact on the game.
Never came at me in a g2 though :rofl
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Rolling plane set.
I remember the excitement waiting for each newer plane.
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Thats not how it works though. A noob in a Temp isn't going to know how to compete well enough to be effective and has 0 chance against a vet in a Temp. Normally a noob will grab a P51, have 0 clue, and get rekt no matter what. Less people overall flying the top planes is what we should strive for. A 200 perk will curtail usage back to where the 262 is. I'm sure they will go back to other noobish fast planes, but they still don't compare to the Temp in speed and guns.
Meh, he tried but his over usage of super BnZ late war cannon monsters ran a lot of players off. This is something I always feared a good player would do with the amount of time they played is bully the arena endlessly in EZ mode BnZers. It really does have an impact on the game.
Never came at me in a g2 though :rofl
Ok, I see what your point is. But devils advocate here, last week it was perkin the 51, this week its perking the Temp. I totally understand you. However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters?
I fly P-51 and I die because I will go 4-1. Also fly 190s. So basically eny and perks are non existent.
What I do like is your passion to make things better, even if I may disagree.
Fads come and go, there’s kind of a fad rotation. Next month it might be 109s or spit16.
I guess my point is, deciding on changes without making bad mistakes takes more observation than a lot may think. There’s no longer a numbers buffer for one mistake. It takes a deeper study with data before jumping.
Kinda neutral on this subject, prolly because it doesn’t effect me.
Make your case, see where it goes. But I don’t see any deal breakers.
I’m just spewing drivel.
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Ok, I see what your point is. But devils advocate here, last week it was perkin the 51, this week its perking the Temp. I totally understand you. However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters?
I fly P-51 and I die because I will go 4-1. Also fly 190s. So basically eny and perks are non existent.
What I do like is your passion to make things better, even if I may disagree.
Fads come and go, there’s kind of a fad rotation. Next month it might be 109s or spit16.
I guess my point is, deciding on changes without making bad mistakes takes more observation than a lot may think. There’s no longer a numbers buffer for one mistake. It takes a deeper study with data before jumping.
Kinda neutral on this subject, prolly because it doesn’t effect me.
Make your case, see where it goes. But I don’t see any deal breakers.
I’m just spewing drivel.
The P51 actually doesn't need to be perked, and would infact have some players quit. Raising the temp cost isn't going to make more players quit. Its just going to prevent more from flying it as a crutch, like the 262 perk cost does for the most part but even that is too over flown, imo. The 190D gets a better K/D and second/third in kills than the p51 every tour but it has a lower eny than even a nik or La7 and that simply doesn't make sense.
But the temp statistically in the last few months is a glaring outlier with top 5 most kills AND top K/D in the game above the 262. Do you see where my logic is here? Why is the 262 150 perks more when the tempest performs better in the arena overall?
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"However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters"
That's a mans plane !!
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"However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters"
That's a mans plane !!
I’m sure you get my point :)
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The P51 actually doesn't need to be perked, and would infact have some players quit. Raising the temp cost isn't going to make more players quit. Its just going to prevent more from flying it as a crutch, like the 262 perk cost does for the most part but even that is too over flown, imo. The 190D gets a better K/D and second/third in kills than the p51 every tour but it has a lower eny than even a nik or La7 and that simply doesn't make sense.
But the temp statistically in the last few months is a glaring outlier with top 5 most kills AND top K/D in the game above the 262. Do you see where my logic is here? Why is the 262 150 perks more when the tempest performs better in the arena overall?
Sure I see your point.
There’s a work around to any setting. The same crowd will just fly the next uber plane in line.
It was just recently demanded the 51 get perked for same reason. Had that been a knee jerk reaction and done, it would have been painful this week.
Ideas are like biz cards, if you hand out 100 and get one reply you’re doin ok,
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Sure I see your point.
There’s a work around to any setting. The same crowd will just fly the next uber plane in line.
It was just recently demanded the 51 get perked for same reason. Had that been a knee jerk reaction and done, it would have been painful this week.
Ideas are like biz cards, if you hand out 100 and get one reply you’re doin ok,
No, but you aren't seeing the #s. The next fastest non perked plane isn't producing even close to the same results in the MA. Look at a 190D or even a 109k K/D vs the temp. It's not even close. The over usage of this plane doesn't produce better fights, just lazy timid BnZ flying. They should have to risk more to be able to fly such a plane that is this dominant in the MA.
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The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?
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No, but you aren't seeing the #s. The next fastest non perked plane isn't producing even close to the same results in the MA. Look at a 190D or even a 109k K/D vs the temp. It's not even close. The over usage of this plane doesn't produce better fights, just lazy timid BnZ flying. They should have to risk more to be able to fly such a plane that is this dominant in the MA.
You’re right. I haven’t looked at numbers. I guess because it doesn’t affect me. But I do understand your POV.
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The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?
I guess if the pattern continues and sets roots HT might want to at least look at it.
These things need to be analyzed from all angles.
But IMO, lets not force new players to fly weak planes against vets in uber planes. Otherwise we turn into a vet only game. <shrug>
I think it deserves proper look into it.
I fly the 51 a lot, yet I’m better in almost any other plane.
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The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?
I wonder if it's because a couple people are flying it more, and the overall kill numbers are so small
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I wonder if it's because a couple people are flying it more, and the overall kill numbers are so small
Last 3 tours total kills....
297-55K
298-57K
299-74K
For the Tempest in tour 299....
8 players had over 100 kills
3 players had between 50-100
7 players had between 25-50
16 players had between 10-20
100 players had below 10 kills
...for a total of 134 players with kills in the tempest.
7 of the 8 were in the top 50 for fighter rank.
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So.. these larger kill counts could be tied to what is almost always a 2 country vs 1 gangbang. It seems like it rotates throughout the day. But the current mentality of the MA seems to focus on one country getting piled by two. It's almost constant, but like I said, it rotates.
When people are on the side getting it from both ends, a speedster is almost necessary to deal with the odds. With the few exceptions of the rook squadron that fly them no matter what.
How about two countries? :aok.
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Sorry to say half of those top 8 I see just picking at furball/ base takes. They have nothing to do with fighting the horde. They go where the fight is and pick and run.... nothing special, Just racking up kill counts like it might impress the girls. :D
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Don’t feed the horde clowns.
If you’re flying as a rook when it’s 18 bish vs 4 rooks and 3 knights, you need to adjust your play.
In these instances, why not pad your score with the hordelings instead of asking for troops at field A1….never mind the fact that two hours of flaccid attack couldn’t prep. the town.
It’s time for basic strategy classes.
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Most people are like everything else in this universe. Following the path of least resistance. There is nothing to be done about it.
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1 person attacking a horde makes sense, but I'm always seeing Temps with # advantage in the fight. Less people flying them is the key. Only the people who have the ability or want to spend the perks will roll one to take on the horde. Most of these players are not rolling to attack the horde. They are the horde. Making them 200 perks would curtail dependence on these planes a little. This plane gets a 5 K/D (highest in the game) with the top 3 most kills. Its 32 perks for me right now in game, if I die! It's too easy right now and it's lazy, but I can't see this over dependence benefitting the game.
On auto switch always fighting larger numbers,90% of time I am carrying bombs if no bombers to hit go after gvs. This puts me below pickers and down they come. Tempest speed used to reset. I currently have the most kills using hit and run normally fighting higher numbers and playing alone
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I'm considering it. I agree it's numbers are high for a plane with already a 15 cost.
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The whole "earning perks for war win" is why you see 23 bishops vs 2 rooks and 3 knights most every morning and then only have 4 bishop left after the war is won and perks are given.
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The perk cost of temps could be 50-75 yet I find it doubtful that it would impact its usage due to amount of perks that most players have accumulated. So either perks would have to be reset, which would anger a few players i suspect, or certain aircraft/vehicles would have to be limited by aggregate flight time maybe.
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TBH, I wish perks were used whether you land or not.
I think the perk for Temps should more or equal to a 262. It's just as good or better and the cannons are easier to hit and the best in the game.
I appreciate you looking at it Hitech. 👍
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Always thought all the brit planes had lasers for cannons
One ping and a wing falls off...not to mention the lazy Susan turning in place ability...always thought they were beginner planes
You'd think a decent pilot would be embarrassed to fly them
Eagler
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It's as effective as a 163 at it's job, 100 perks. :old:
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Always thought all the brit planes had lasers for cannons
One ping and a wing falls off...not to mention the lazy Susan turning in place ability...always thought they were beginner planes
You'd think a decent pilot would be embarrassed to fly them
Eagler
Hispanos are the best cannons in the game. The ones the temp has are the ultimate best. The spit16 is one of, if not the only plane that can do a triple emmilman. Easily one of the best planes but its speed is why it's K/D doesn't do so well overall. People get picked easily trying to TnB all of the time. Can you blame em. The spit5 use to be the all out dueling monster before its knees were capped and adjustments were made when the spit16 and spit 8 were introduced to the game. I do believe they are great training planes for new guys.
The spit9 is one of my favorite planes. It's such a fun bird and doesn't have the speed it needs, but its super fun in a turn fight and furball. I usually choose that if I I'm defending and want to fly something fun. The spit8 is also fun. While it does appear they can quickly snap turn. The 109s actually turn fight just as well and have more flaps for control. With the spit, you have to be very careful about using the flaps because it can really hamper your E and also get you into the dreaded upside down flat spin. I know for me, flying the spit16 and Tempest definitely feels like I'm cheating so I atleast try to grab a spit9 to make it a bit more challenging.
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I guess its a sign of the times, Americans wanting a tariff on British planes...... :D
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With auto switch on, its really hard to lose perks even when flying the Tempest exclusively, it definitely needs a price increase. I would use it when I was overseas, usually the sole defender against 5+ players, one kill would get me enough perks to rebuy it easily, but I'd usually end up with 10+ k/d.