Please increase the Temp cost

[The Fugitive]

I miss the old days when the "best of the best" flew flew other than the top of the line, mostly to challenge themselves. Even "YKW" flew the G2 a bunch. Todays players arent looking for a challenge or a fight, they are looking for kill counts and the only way they can rack them up is by flying the tempest and such.

[DmonSlyr]

So do you think when we talk about numbers and retaining new players this imbalance won't feed discouragement?
Ya gotta give em a chance with something, IMO

Thats not how it works though. A noob in a Temp isn't going to know how to compete well enough to be effective and has 0 chance against a vet in a Temp. Normally a noob will grab a P51, have 0 clue, and get rekt no matter what. Less people overall flying the top planes is what we should strive for. A 200 perk will curtail usage back to where the 262 is. I'm sure they will go back to other noobish fast planes, but they still don't compare to the Temp in speed and guns.

I miss the old days when the "best of the best" flew flew other than the top of the line, mostly to challenge themselves. Even "YKW" flew the G2 a bunch. Todays players arent looking for a challenge or a fight, they are looking for kill counts and the only way they can rack them up is by flying the tempest and such.

Meh, he tried but his over usage of super BnZ late war cannon monsters ran a lot of players off. This is something I always feared a good player would do with the amount of time they played is bully the arena endlessly in EZ mode BnZers. It really does have an impact on the game.

Never came at me in a g2 though 

[icepac]

Rolling plane set.   

I remember the excitement waiting for each newer plane. 

[Animl-AW]

Thats not how it works though. A noob in a Temp isn't going to know how to compete well enough to be effective and has 0 chance against a vet in a Temp. Normally a noob will grab a P51, have 0 clue, and get rekt no matter what. Less people overall flying the top planes is what we should strive for. A 200 perk will curtail usage back to where the 262 is. I'm sure they will go back to other noobish fast planes, but they still don't compare to the Temp in speed and guns.

Meh, he tried but his over usage of super BnZ late war cannon monsters ran a lot of players off. This is something I always feared a good player would do with the amount of time they played is bully the arena endlessly in EZ mode BnZers. It really does have an impact on the game.

Never came at me in a g2 though 

Ok, I see what your point is. But devils advocate here, last week it was perkin the 51, this week its perking the Temp. I totally understand you. However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters?

I fly P-51 and I die because I will go 4-1. Also fly 190s. So basically eny and perks are non existent.

What I do like is your passion to make things better, even if I may disagree.

Fads come and go, there’s kind of a fad rotation. Next month it might be 109s or spit16.

I guess my point is, deciding on changes without making bad mistakes takes more observation than a lot may think. There’s no longer a numbers buffer for one mistake. It takes a deeper study with data before jumping.

Kinda neutral on this subject, prolly because it doesn’t effect me.

Make your case, see where it goes. But I don’t see any deal breakers.

I’m just spewing drivel.

[DmonSlyr]

Ok, I see what your point is. But devils advocate here, last week it was perkin the 51, this week its perking the Temp. I totally understand you. However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters?

I fly P-51 and I die because I will go 4-1. Also fly 190s. So basically eny and perks are non existent.

What I do like is your passion to make things better, even if I may disagree.

Fads come and go, there’s kind of a fad rotation. Next month it might be 109s or spit16.

I guess my point is, deciding on changes without making bad mistakes takes more observation than a lot may think. There’s no longer a numbers buffer for one mistake. It takes a deeper study with data before jumping.

Kinda neutral on this subject, prolly because it doesn’t effect me.

Make your case, see where it goes. But I don’t see any deal breakers.

I’m just spewing drivel.

The P51 actually doesn't need to be perked, and would infact have some players quit. Raising the temp cost isn't going to make more players quit. Its just going to prevent more from flying it as a crutch, like the 262 perk cost does for the most part but even that is too over flown, imo. The 190D gets a better K/D and second/third in kills than the p51 every tour but it has a lower eny  than even a nik or La7 and that simply doesn't make sense.

But the temp statistically in the last few months is a glaring outlier with top 5 most kills AND top K/D in the game above the 262. Do you see where my logic is here? Why is the 262 150 perks more when the tempest performs better in the arena overall? 

[nopoop]

"However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters"

That's a mans plane !!

[Animl-AW]

"However, keep an open mind, are we going to perk ourselves down to brewsters"

That's a mans plane !!

I’m sure you get my point

[Animl-AW]

The P51 actually doesn't need to be perked, and would infact have some players quit. Raising the temp cost isn't going to make more players quit. Its just going to prevent more from flying it as a crutch, like the 262 perk cost does for the most part but even that is too over flown, imo. The 190D gets a better K/D and second/third in kills than the p51 every tour but it has a lower eny  than even a nik or La7 and that simply doesn't make sense.

But the temp statistically in the last few months is a glaring outlier with top 5 most kills AND top K/D in the game above the 262. Do you see where my logic is here? Why is the 262 150 perks more when the tempest performs better in the arena overall?

Sure I see your point.

There’s a work around to any setting. The same crowd will just fly the next uber plane in line.

It was just recently demanded the 51 get perked for same reason. Had that been a knee jerk reaction and done, it would have been painful this week.

Ideas are like biz cards, if you hand out 100 and get one reply you’re doin ok,

[DmonSlyr]

Sure I see your point.

There’s a work around to any setting. The same crowd will just fly the next uber plane in line.

It was just recently demanded the 51 get perked for same reason. Had that been a knee jerk reaction and done, it would have been painful this week.

Ideas are like biz cards, if you hand out 100 and get one reply you’re doin ok,

No, but you aren't seeing the #s. The next fastest non perked plane isn't producing even close to the same results in the MA. Look at a 190D or even a 109k K/D vs the temp. It's not even close. The over usage of this plane doesn't produce better fights, just lazy timid BnZ flying. They should have to risk more to be able to fly such a plane that is this dominant in the MA.

[The Fugitive]

The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?

[Animl-AW]

No, but you aren't seeing the #s. The next fastest non perked plane isn't producing even close to the same results in the MA. Look at a 190D or even a 109k K/D vs the temp. It's not even close. The over usage of this plane doesn't produce better fights, just lazy timid BnZ flying. They should have to risk more to be able to fly such a plane that is this dominant in the MA.

You’re right. I haven’t looked at numbers. I guess because it doesn’t affect me. But I do understand your POV.

[Animl-AW]

The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?

I guess if the pattern continues and sets roots HT might want to at least look at it.
These things need to be analyzed from all angles.

But IMO, lets not force new players to fly weak planes against vets in uber planes. Otherwise we turn into a vet only game. <shrug>

I think it deserves proper look into it.

I fly the 51 a lot, yet I’m better in almost any other plane.

[Lazerr]

The percentage of kills by the tempest has gone up almost 50% in the last 6 months, while the percentage of the P51 has stayed pretty much the same. It seems to be a pretty big jump, but is it dominating the arena?

I wonder if it's because a couple people are flying it more, and the overall kill numbers are so small

[The Fugitive]

I wonder if it's because a couple people are flying it more, and the overall kill numbers are so small

Last 3 tours total kills....

297-55K
298-57K
299-74K

For the Tempest in tour 299....

8 players had over 100 kills
3 players had between 50-100
7 players had between 25-50
16 players had between 10-20
100 players had below 10 kills

...for a total of 134 players with kills in the tempest.

7 of the 8 were in the top 50 for fighter rank.

[Lazerr]

So.. these larger kill counts could be tied to what is almost always a 2 country vs 1 gangbang.  It seems like it rotates throughout the day.  But the current mentality of the MA seems to focus on one country getting piled by two.  It's almost constant, but like I said, it rotates. 

When people are on the side getting it from both ends, a speedster is almost necessary to deal with the odds.  With the few exceptions of the rook squadron that fly them no matter what.

How about two countries? .