Remember when you were a kid and could feel the knife scraping plastic as you made a peanut butter toast/sandwich?
I'm reasonably old at 56 but as a kid, Skippy and Jiff was in glass jars. I remember seeing it plastic around 1990 or so as it was one of the first things I bought after getting my first place after college. Still kept my giant cable spool table though! It tied the whole room together.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 03, 2025, 06:23:00 PM
Remember when you were a kid and could feel the knife scraping plastic as you made a peanut butter toast/sandwich?
Never thought about it then. Most things came in glass, cans and paper. A few things going plastic I don’t see as a concern. Today everything is plastic and a lot more exposure. Bottled water was not a thing.
When bread of a sandwich kept in a plastic container took on the taste of plastic, it makes one think what chemical is leaving the plastic as it dry rots. Plastic dry rots as it emits its chemicals.
I think point being, we’re over using and too much exposure to plastics and the chemicals and particles they emit. Mostly consumption from plastics.
This stuff is found in hearts and livers too. This stuff builds up in heart arteries or valves you could have issues.
Exposure to some is one thing, constant exposure isn’t good.
Btw, my wife was RN last live-in GF was RN (both RIP)And hundreds of med conferences… After endless stories ya learn stuff and pay attention to medical.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: icepac on February 04, 2025, 04:12:31 AM
You should smell a brand new car that sat in the sun not being driven yet by anybody for a few days.
Doing pre-delivery inspections at lexus, i would get a few repair orders and keys so i could open all the windows and put on the a/c to purge the outgassy air in the ducts.
I’ve always been good about not breathing what’s bad for me and I hope it has helped.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Bizman on February 04, 2025, 08:58:59 AM
As a teenager I was told that an average man eats several pounds of lipstic in his lifetime. Might have been an urban legend, then again it depends on whom you kiss!
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2025, 10:42:07 AM
You should smell a brand new car that sat in the sun not being driven yet by anybody for a few days.
Doing pre-delivery inspections at lexus, i would get a few repair orders and keys so i could open all the windows and put on the a/c to purge the outgassy air in the ducts.
I’ve always been good about not breathing what’s bad for me and I hope it has helped.
I was going to to mention plastics in cars in the sun. That stuff is just spewing.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 04, 2025, 11:02:37 AM
I drink Aquafina water bottles on the daily. Its reverse Osmosis.
I don't really trust water with "minerals (rocks) for taste". That stuff clogs the brain and you are already getting minerals from what you eat.
I also think its much better quality than sink or fridge water, which is packed with even more minerals and Flouride.
So, I'll take maybe tiny fragments of plastics that I'll poop out over minerals and fluoride any day.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2025, 11:41:18 AM
I drink Aquafina water bottles on the daily. Its reverse Osmosis.
I don't really trust water with "minerals (rocks) for taste". That stuff clogs the brain and you are already getting minerals from what you eat.
I also think its much better quality than sink or fridge water, which is packed with even more minerals and Flouride.
So, I'll take maybe tiny fragments of plastics that I'll poop out over minerals and fluoride any day.
All personal prefrence.
My personal take on bottle water is its dead water. Some is filtered so much there is nothing left in it. The higher priced water may add back the very minerals you avoid. Bottled water can and does go bad. If in the sun/light too long it will start mold/algea. You do not know where the water comes from. A few companies get it from rivers where upstream farming chemicals leach into it. I’m the opposite, I won’t drink bottle water.
Did you read what plastic does?
When I worked in Chicago I refused to drink their water. When I was a kid at a huge plumbing company I delivered lead piping for city water. Almost all old big cities run water through lead pipe from the mains to buildings. I think it has affected those ppl.
I grew up on well water. Had it tested every year at water dept. they said it was better than town water. The water I consume (town water) goes through carbon filters.
I’m not a health freak, ya can’t stop everything, I just minimize what I can. To each their own.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Getback on February 04, 2025, 12:10:13 PM
Spot on Animal!
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: icepac on February 04, 2025, 12:11:40 PM
Of course, scientists have found microplastics in ancient soil samples that man had not yet exposed to the elements.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2025, 12:43:52 PM
Of course, scientists have found microplastics in ancient soil samples that man had not yet exposed to the elements.
Huh? Have a source?
A friend works at BP, plastic is made from the leftover sludge of oil from making gas. So I guess that could be possible.. depending on the chemicals added determine quality of plastic.the wirst is used for garbage bags.
But the formed over time in confined place and exposure was small.
I just shy away from storing food or water in plastic. <shrug>
Some of what we digest comes from seafood. Uts just everywhere and too much. IMO
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 04, 2025, 01:52:15 PM
My personal take on bottle water is its dead water. Some is filtered so much there is nothing left in it. The higher priced water may add back the very minerals you avoid. Bottled water can and does go bad. If in the sun/light too long it will start mold/algea. You do not know where the water comes from. A few companies get it from rivers where upstream farming chemicals leach into it. I’m the opposite, I won’t drink bottle water.
Did you read what plastic does?
When I worked in Chicago I refused to drink their water. When I was a kid at a huge plumbing company I delivered lead piping for city water. Almost all old big cities run water through lead pipe from the mains to buildings. I think it has affected those ppl.
I grew up on well water. Had it tested every year at water dept. they said it was better than town water. The water I consume (town water) goes through carbon filters.
I’m not a health freak, ya can’t stop everything, I just minimize what I can. To each their own.
Having water with absolutely nothing in it, is what you want. Water in the purest form. I guess "dead" as you imply. That's the best way.
Aquafina is reverse Osmosis, which means there ain't nothing in it. Its one of the purest forms.
Bottled water like aquafina is 100x better than anything coming out of faucets or Fridges. As you say, dirty pipes, but it's the heavy metals getting them. Heavy metals are some of the most toxic substances that if taken too much, could literally retard people. Its literally limiting people's brain capacity in those cities.
Not to mention the potential for parasites and the rest. I'm much more certain tha Aquafina is way better than almost any other water source due to reverse Osmosis. The tiny plastic or whatever that may effect the brain is no where near what lead pipes and some of these other water treatments may produce.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: xanax on February 04, 2025, 02:45:41 PM
Having water with absolutely nothing in it, is what you want. Water in the purest form. I guess "dead" as you imply. That's the best way.
Aquafina is reverse Osmosis, which means there ain't nothing in it. It's one of the purest forms.
Reverse osmosis is fine and gets rid of most but not all, there's still dissolved solids in it. If there wasn't, nobody would buy it as it would taste terrible. Go take a swig of double-distilled water....actual H2O with nothing else dissolved into it-aka Pure water. It tastes terrible. "Water in its purest form" is terrible and has pH of 7.0. Aquafina runs a bit basic at 7.8 thus other ingredients.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 04, 2025, 02:59:26 PM
Don't forget, the body needs electrolytes.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2025, 05:18:20 PM
I'm not going to talk anyone into doing anything. I just provided information for those who might want to consider risk to something they do, or not. It's up to the individual to be in tune with their own body and health.
But it's a little hard to swallow that "pure" water poured into plastic leaching chemicals into it is still pure. If it were in a glass bottle and kept in the dark then fine, it's probably still pure.
That said, those minerals in water dictate it's taste and feed electrolytes and minerals you lose when you sweat. Much of the benefits of water is the minerals.
Again, some companies who are even worth a crap will put minerals back into it. Those cheap companies, they pour what ever they want in it, as long as it doesn't kill you as soon as you drink it. Some bottle water companies have been caught taking water straight out of the ground or just city water into the bottles. Bottled water is occasionally recalled due to contaminants.
"Microplastics act as endocrine-disrupting chemicals, promote inflammation, result in negative health effects, and accumulate over time in organs like the liver, kidneys, and intestines."
"From treating and bottling to transportation and refrigeration, bottled water requires large amounts of energy.
In fact, bottled water production in the United States used 4 billion pounds (1.8 billion kg) of plastic in 2016 alone. The energy input required to produce that amount is equal to 64 million barrels of oil.
Furthermore, it’s estimated that only 20% of plastic water bottles in the United States get recycled. Most end up in landfills or bodies of water.
This is particularly problematic, as plastic bottles have been shown to release toxins as they degrade"
All plastics do.
"One gallon (3.8 liters) of tap water costs roughly $0.005 in the United States, while the same amount of bottled water, obtained from combining single-serving water bottles, costs around $9.47"
That said, people make their own choices.
My GF, an RN of 30 yrs, died last spring from brain cancer, she drank bottle water constantly, all day every day. It's not up to me to force anyone to do or not do anything. If the power of suggestions doesn't work most likely nothing else will. Now I could contribute it to plastics, but it's nothing I can prove. I just suspect.
The older ya get the more this stuff becomes more important, to many.
Freedom is making your own informed decisions.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Eagler on February 04, 2025, 08:02:59 PM
Aluminum cans aren't helping our memories if you believe some, Aluminum in deodorant same issue...
So brace for everything in glass - should require a deposit like they used to - and enjoy everyone's body odor...
Eagler
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Oldman731 on February 04, 2025, 09:35:43 PM
Having water with absolutely nothing in it, is what you want. Water in the purest form.
I try not to insert myself in these debates, but this triggered me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeU1CwJkwX8
- oldman
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Getback on February 05, 2025, 03:41:01 AM
Absolutely spot on Animal!
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: LCADolby on February 05, 2025, 05:08:38 AM
I was looking on the internet... and it appears that an awful lot of plastic appear to avoid the brain in women and seem to settle heavily in tits. :old:
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Meatwad on February 05, 2025, 06:38:18 AM
I was looking on the internet... and it appears that an awful lot of plastic appear to avoid the brain in women and seem to settle heavily in tits. :old:
I thought it was stored directly into their butt
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: LCADolby on February 05, 2025, 12:28:09 PM
I will have to do more... much more... thorough research :D
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Drano on February 05, 2025, 01:41:29 PM
Problem with purified water is there are several levels of purity, not all of which can be consumed by people.That's the reason for adding the minerals back in post processing. For what we could drink that's not just for the taste. Rebalances it so it's safe for us to drink. I deal with labs now at UD so it's a thing with them. For lab purposes, they need that level of purity to tune out anything else that might be in it that might skew the data with what they might be trying to do. Constants have to be known.
Did a startup of a commercial RO unit for the print shop once. Guy was telling me we couldn't drink the purest RO that comes out of the thing because it'd be looking for something to react with and definitely didn't want that to be you! Perfectly balanced for the commercial printing machine it was hooked up to tho. Any metals found in plain filtered water would react with the inks and skew the colors.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 05, 2025, 02:36:50 PM
I try not to insert myself in these debates, but this triggered me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeU1CwJkwX8
- oldman
Ya know, there’s a time and place for everything. This is a very serious subject, not a place for unwarranted….”humor”. I lost sleep over this last night.
Your unsolicited action here lead me to another fond memory I hold very near to my soul
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Bizman on February 06, 2025, 01:09:47 AM
I'm not too worried about getting microplastic into my system from a food container of any type. Scraping the plastic is one thing, liquids aren't so abrasive that they'd remove material from the inner surface during transport. On the shelf even sandpaper would not do anything in a plastic container. If abrasives worked even when unmoved the liquid cutting pastes wouldn't be in plastic bottles.
Greenwash is another thing, lately I stumbled upon a thing called Vegan Leather. Studying it a bit one article told clearly that it's simply plastic. Quite a many years ago I bought a pair of walking shoes, real leather uppers. The lining also looked like leather but according to the label it was man-made material. So I asked the shopkeeper about its durability compared to leather and he said that it would last long enough. Well... The upper would still look half decent with some brushing and the soles still have their figuration intact. But the linings have long been looking like worn-out bedsheet! The "leather" coating has become microplastics.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Eagler on February 06, 2025, 07:37:31 AM
Heard we have the plastic equivalent of a plastic spoon in our brains...
Guess we are working on our forks now...
Nothing to lose sleep over..now where is my Zephyrhills bottle..can I blame it for my failing memory?
Eagler
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 06, 2025, 08:18:33 AM
Heard we have the plastic equivalent of a plastic spoon in our brains...
Guess we are working on our forks now...
Nothing to lose sleep over..now where is my Zephyrhills bottle..can I blame it for my failing memory?
Eagler
Ummm no thats not what it said. Lol
Personally, I’m not a fan of being part of darwinism. I realize with the injuries I have that I’m not invincible. I tend to lean towards people who know science over those who guess their way through it with invincible attitude. :)
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Bizman on February 09, 2025, 04:46:24 AM
For some odd reason this microplastics conversation doesn't leave my brain. This morning I found myself thinking about everyday sources other than food vessels:
Toothpaste and other hygiene products may contain plastic beads
Laser printers work by melting plastic powder on paper. The fumes already have been found potentially harmful. And in any case some excess powder will puff out to your breathing air.
Have the buttons of your keyboard worn shiny? Or your joystick? Microplastics or the toxins within can absorb through skin.
How about headsets? The "leather" on the earpads and headband has worn off of mine.
Same thing with clothes. Polycotton or even nylon shirts? Spandex mixed into the fabric of your trousers? A lint of the colour of my shirt gathers to my bellybutton every day.
Lots of things one could get neurotic about!
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 09, 2025, 07:35:01 AM
For some odd reason this microplastics conversation doesn't leave my brain. This morning I found myself thinking about everyday sources other than food vessels:
Toothpaste and other hygiene products may contain plastic beads
Laser printers work by melting plastic powder on paper. The fumes already have been found potentially harmful. And in any case some excess powder will puff out to your breathing air.
Have the buttons of your keyboard worn shiny? Or your joystick? Microplastics or the toxins within can absorb through skin.
How about headsets? The "leather" on the earpads and headband has worn off of mine.
Same thing with clothes. Polycotton or even nylon shirts? Spandex mixed into the fabric of your trousers? A lint of the colour of my shirt gathers to my bellybutton every day.
Lots of things one could get neurotic about!
Ya, that stuff is everywhere, including seafood we eat. Even in some water supply.
I don’t get too neurotic about most things. But a red flag is a red flag to me. I’m not going to go thirsty or hungry because of too many plastics. But when its in my control, like at home, i minimize exposure. Plus I just like high quality objects.
Same thing with air pollution. I live near steel industry because of access to the highways that take me to a car exhaust city of chitcago. But as soon as I’m off I head to clean air country.
IMO, anything in the body organs that can’t be digested or decay is not good. In the brain and heart or lungs, its time to pay more attention.
Even if some don’t find it alarming, food just taste better/cleaner in glass or aluminum. Same milk taste better from glass Same Pop/Soda taste better in glass or cans. Bread absolutely will take in a plastic flavor. I have a bread maker, that stuff never hits plastic.
Its just a post about something ya may want to pay attention to.
As mentioned above, I’d rather go back to glass container deposits.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Eagler on February 09, 2025, 08:15:07 AM
Don't forget about the 3 through 5g and every other wavelength/frequency continously bombarding and penetrating our brains and bodies... :eek:
Eagler
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: -gg- on February 09, 2025, 10:38:00 AM
I'm guessing that the plastic is more coming from stuff we eat or inadvertently or purposely put in out mouths, rather than leaching from containers. Just a total guess - but my reasoning is that it seems like you'd get a much higher dose of plastic ingestion by things either in the food supply (including processing and packaging equipment) contaminating the product.
People put things in their mouths all the time too. Toys, instruments, whistles, kazoos - whatever. Also clothing. So many fabrics are made from oil byproducts - such as polyester, fake leather, and more. Your sheets, pajamas, shirts, socks, underwear. We're rolling in that every day.
Toothbrushes, lipstick, ChapStick, and stuff like that too. Seems like you'd get way more plastic into your body these ways.
Title: Re: Microplastics found in brains
Post by: Animl-AW on February 09, 2025, 12:07:03 PM
Not trying to be in convincing mode… Plastic dry-rots. All plastics. They dry-rot because the chemicals that make them flexible. is evaporating/leaching, then they become brittle. Those chemicals are going somewhere.
Also particles come about different ways, plastic dust is everywhere in a plant.
That said, some if the things you drink may have been packaged 6 mos - 1 yr ago.
Humans take the path of least resistance, convenient beliefs. They are going to to do what they are going to to do and have plenty of canned justifications. The younger feel more invincible.
Make your own decisions. Personally I’m big on science and data, not just the convenient science.