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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: USBP1969 on March 25, 2025, 03:50:24 PM
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I have searched diligently to find posts in regards to this subject without success. Do they work well for AH, and if so, I would sincerely appreciate any make / model recommendations.
USBP1969
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There’s an entire forum dedicated to VR.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,666.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,666.0.html)
Hope that helps.
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Aces High works VERY well in VR. I have use a Quest 2 with out issue. One of the best things about AH and VR is you can still use the AH view system, so you can hit the "left view" button and only need to turn your head 90% to look back around the tail. Saves your neck.
I think all VR headset will work in AH, price and computer power are your limitations. Quest2, Quest 3, and Pimax Crystal light are the 3 I saw in the VR thread off the top. There may be more listed in the threads.
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Upgraded from the original vive pro to the crystal light..
The clarity is outstanding!
I suggest the crystal light with at least a 4070 card so you can enjoy vr in other games in addition to AH
Eagler
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I've used the Quest, it was a cool experience and I enjoyed flying with it, but I felt that it limited my performance drastically. Even though I still used the view system to look around I felt like I had very little situational awareness and it was harder to hit things.
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Upgraded from the original vive pro to the crystal light..
Thought that was a drink mix...
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I use oculus and LOVE IT!!!
Todd
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Thanks very much y’all! Gonna do some serious studying on your recommendations.
Thanks again,
USBP1969
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I wish I could throw a legitimate 2 pennies into this. Unfortunately,I get violently ill after a few minutes of VR. I've tried it many times to no avail. I've tried with and without glasses, contacts, all types of games and virtual environments.....I've even tried 4mg of Ondansetron on 3 occasions. I've tried Scopolamine patches too, I spew like a monkey drinking warm banana daiquiris trying to recover from a hangover from bourbon chased by Tequila.
I'm glad you fellas can manage it, I'm jealous of course but I'm glad you enjoy it as someday it will lead to a cure for pansies like me as the market will have to expand.
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I wish I could throw a legitimate 2 pennies into this. Unfortunately,I get violently ill after a few minutes of VR. I've tried it many times to no avail. I've tried with and without glasses, contacts, all types of games and virtual environments.....I've even tried 4mg of Ondansetron on 3 occasions. I've tried Scopolamine patches too, I spew like a monkey drinking warm banana daiquiris trying to recover from a hangover from bourbon chased by Tequila.
I'm glad you fellas can manage it, I'm jealous of course but I'm glad you enjoy it as someday it will lead to a cure for pansies like me as the market will have to expand.
Put a small fan on your desk pointing at you. It helps as it fools your brain into thinking you are moving. Also do short stints as you get started. 5 minutes the first time, 10 the next and so on.
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I felt like I was going to be sick the first few times. Had to actually lay down afterward. Start with 2 minutes take a break. After a week it has never reappeared
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Same for me when I started VR I couldn't go more then 10-15 minutes. Took me a week or two to get used to it. If you enjoy it I'd start with shorter durations or maybe try the fan or both.
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Thanks Fugi, and others. The fan trick sounds like a really good idea and I'll give it a whirl. I didn't try it for any more than 15 minutes or so but I'll work my way up from 5 minutes I guess and go from there.
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Try this stream game in vr for a bit...
https://store.steampowered.com/app/587220/Jet_Island/
..it's using a hover type skateboard with Spiderman like shooting webs to get you around..
This game stills upsets my equilibrium if I play it too long in vr
A little bit of time in this game might make AH vr easier to get used to
Eagler
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Thanks Fugi, and others. The fan trick sounds like a really good idea and I'll give it a whirl. I didn't try it for any more than 15 minutes or so but I'll work my way up from 5 minutes I guess and go from there.
A friend also had his wife watch on the monitor. She would hit him in the head with a frying pan when he got shot to add realism. Helped him get over being sick and she seemed to enjoy it too.
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I have searched diligently to find posts in regards to this subject without success. Do they work well for AH, and if so, I would sincerely appreciate any make / model recommendations.
USBP1969
Stay clear of the HP G2. Great headset when it’s working properly. My first one came out of manufacturing with a malfunctioning mic. After a very long, frustrating trouble shooting process, a great difficulty finding someone at HP tech support that cared, they sent a new replacement. Then, it developed it own issue. The previous HP customer support number is no longer.
Buyer beware.
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Iracing is where I use VR so I offer feedback from it's forum. I use TrackIR in AH.
WMR(Windows Mixed Reality) will be removed when you get H2R W11 revision albeit you can go back a revision. Avoid used VRs that used WMR.
My HP Reverb G2 Gen2 worked really well for the last few years but is showing its age as well as depends on WMR.
Oculus 3 get's a lot of attention from quality as well as lower cost compared to other VRs. In Iracing which is hard on VR it has the largest number of users now I think. Quickly replacing HP Reverb G2 dominance in iracing.
Big price jump from Oculus 3 to the rest of the VR brands.
Pimax get's mixed reviews especially on quality and some software issues. Kind of a crap shoot seems like.
BigScreen beyond Gen2 is getting a lot of interest but user numbers are small in the first version in iracing because of the small FoV.. If the price was not so high this would interest me because of OLED screens and very light weight. 75 FPS is a fall off from the 90 FPS of my current G2 @ 90 FPS. Not sure if it interfaces with AH. I would wait to see how this turns out over time.
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My reverb G2 is still going strong. The only issue I've had was the original cable broke, but they quickly sent an improved replacement. That said, I would not recommend it today. It uses WMR, a Windows program that Microsoft no longer supports. I'm constantly worried the next update will be the one that bricks it.
I had a first gen oculus but I don't like that facebook login nonsense. Only reason I won't seriously consider another one.
I've been saving up for a Pimax. I haven't decided yet which one to get, I'm waiting for the super to ship so I can get some real life reviews. See if it's worth all that money.
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BigScreen beyond Gen2 is getting a lot of interest but user numbers are small in the first version in iracing because of the small FoV.. If the price was not so high this would interest me because of OLED screens and very light weight. 75 FPS is a fall off from the 90 FPS of my current G2 @ 90 FPS. Not sure if it interfaces with AH. I would wait to see how this turns out over time.
They're also supposed to release an "E" version that has eye tracking.
I'm waiting to see what the new "Index" (supposed to be later this year) is going to be before doing any upgrades.
So far I've had;
Rift (took some doing to get the sensors placed but was great afterward except for screendoor)
RiftS (tad better visuals than Rift. Tracking not quite as good)
Quest 3 (lot of fiddling to get old games to work. Otherwise still undecided)
Hadn't planned on getting the Quest 3, but Bestbuy messed up my points I'd been banking for a really long time and I had to use them really quickly or lose them.
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USBP1969 - I've been an Oculus user since Beta 1 and currently using Oculus 1 & 2 at my home. No issues for me and my boys who use them, especially for Aces High. And the cost is a big factor here as well.
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Just keep in mind you are essentially running dual screens using VR. Make sure your PC is above way above minimal specs. I have a recent PC build I did with lots of PC power and still cannot turn graphics up high.
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Put a small fan on your desk pointing at you. It helps as it fools your brain into thinking you are moving. Also do short stints as you get started. 5 minutes the first time, 10 the next and so on.
Huh, that's an interesting idea. I always thought that it help because it kept your head/face cooler.
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Trying to figure out what makes people sick. Does it toy with equilibrium?
I IMAGINE it must give the impression of separating the head from the body. Two different worlds.
I also think of the old school stereo-vision toy Viewmaster, changing of depth perception. The human eye doesn't actually see in full 3d, the brain does? So I looked into it.
VR can make you sick because of a conflict between the signals your eyes and inner ear send to your brain (equilibrium), leading to a mismatch in sensory cues, similar to motion sickness. This is often referred to as cybersickness.
Here's a more detailed explanation....
Sensory Conflict:
Your brain relies on visual and vestibular (inner ear) cues to understand your position and movement. In VR, your eyes might perceive movement (like a character running in the game), while your inner ear might not be registering that movement, or vice versa.
Cybersickness:
This mismatch can lead to a range of symptoms, including nausea, dizziness, headaches, eyestrain, disorientation, and fatigue, collectively known as cybersickness.
Factors that Contribute:
Field of View: A narrow field of view in VR can contribute to cybersickness.
Frame Rate: Low frame rates can also cause issues.
Latency: High latency (delay between input and output) can also contribute to cybersickness.
Individual Susceptibility: Some people are more prone to VR sickness than others.
Mitigation Strategies:
Short Bursts: Start with short VR sessions and gradually increase the time.
Frequent Breaks: Take regular breaks to rest your eyes and inner ear.
Focus on a Fixed Point: Try focusing on a fixed point in the virtual environment to help your brain reconcile the sensory input.
Ginger: Ginger is a natural remedy for motion sickness and can help alleviate VR sickness.
Anti-Motion Sickness Medications: Consider taking Dramamine or other anti-motion sickness medications.
I made a page for this subject
https://animl-aw.com/virtual-reality-nausea/
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Huh, that's an interesting idea. I always thought that it help because it kept your head/face cooler.
There is some science to this theory and it appears to help.
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There is also another complexity, the scene you are seeing is not 3D. It's a pair of flat 2D images rendered at a fixed focal distance. In a normal '3D' situation your eyes would be having to be continuously adjusting their focus - so another feedback/input your brain doesn't get.
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My brother and I both use VR. I never had a moments trouble with VR but it bothered him till it got use to VR.
There was one exception to the above. Hitech made a change to the 17 pounder gun sight view awhile back to help those using VR to not being sick when using that gun. I had no problem till he made the change. After the change I could not use the 17 pounder anti tank gun. I think he changed it back.
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I've been doing VR for a while now, and every now and then you come across someone who just cannot handle it. Back in the late 90's I had a guy I worked with who was dead keen to try it, within a couple of minutes of him putting the headset on he nearly feel over and started to vomit. He had a half hour break and tried again... same thing.