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Title: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Yarbles on April 30, 2025, 05:58:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8F2z_DwX6o

I dont think this is controversial but I find it very interesting.

Homage to Animal: More Bugs than a bug factory and no one actually wanted to fly in it  :salute   
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on April 30, 2025, 06:36:25 PM
Interesting.

I wonder if they can model the nuclear exchange that would follow.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Meatwad on April 30, 2025, 06:49:58 PM
scammers vs terrorists
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: CptTrips on April 30, 2025, 07:09:32 PM
scammers vs terrorists

And then China jumps in on Pakistan's side and attacks India from the other direction too. 

There is some disputed territory it wanted anyway.

That would be a goat rodeo.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Yarbles on April 30, 2025, 07:41:26 PM
Interesting.

I wonder if they can model the nuclear exchange that would follow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTiBBOmAmE

The answer I think is if India decided to kick Pakistan's butt, don't kick it too hard.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 01, 2025, 08:47:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTiBBOmAmE

The answer I think is if India decided to kick Pakistan's butt, don't kick it too hard.

Assuming that goes down (video) in a vacuum it seems like a likely scenario. There are other players on the board though and things may get a lot more complex very fast.

Someone attacks with a nuke and all bets are off.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Shuffler on May 01, 2025, 11:39:51 AM
They scuffle at the border quite often.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 01, 2025, 11:45:41 AM
Looks like India is going to do a little more this round. Doubt that it will come to nukes.

Or at least the aliens will neutralize the nukes if one side gets too frisky.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 11:51:20 AM
Looks like India is going to do a little more this round. Doubt that it will come to nukes.

I don't think it's likely either. I was just saying that if there was a full out air war (like the one in the video) and one side lost their entire air force allowing the other country to bomb them at will it might make one side desperate enough to push the button.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 01, 2025, 11:56:48 AM
I agree, things could get out of hand. Was joking about the aliens. Sorta.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: icepac on May 01, 2025, 05:06:51 PM

Most of india's military hardware is from russia.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Yarbles on May 01, 2025, 05:16:31 PM
Most of india's military hardware is from russia.

I think both sides have quantity over quality. Seems modern air war is missiles but in other scenarios I have seen above all stealth. F22/35 has fired its missiles and on the way home long before 4th gen and earlier fighters know what is happening. China and Russia just don't have that kind of tech fortunately for the USA and its friends. I hope it stays that way.

I don't understand the politics but I think India is notionally a democracy and Hindu and Pakistan's government is by permission of the army. I also read there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan.

The obvious solution might be Kashmire as an independent nation but I doubt India or Pakistan would not be able to resist continuing to interfere. In the long run India will win as it is very open for business and Pakistan allot less so.

Ok its a bit political but I don't think anyone on here will get in a froth over it  :D
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 05:27:12 PM
I think both sides have quantity over quality. Seems modern air war is missiles but in other scenarios I have seen above all stealth. F22/35 has fired its missiles and on the way home long before 4th gen and earlier fighters know what is happening. China and Russia just don't have that kind of tech fortunately for the USA and its friends. I hope it stays that way.

I don't understand the politics but I think India is notionally a democracy and Hindu and Pakistan's government is by permission of the army. I also read there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan.

The obvious solution might be Kashmire as an independent nation but I doubt India or Pakistan would not be able to resist continuing to interfere. In the long run India will win as it is very open for business and Pakistan allot less so.

Ok its a bit political but I don't think anyone on here will get in a froth over it  :D

Let me start off by saying that I know nothing about modern air warfare.

It seems to me that tactics could overcome technology. Say I'm in an a4 and have to fight something more modern. I would try to get them to lauch missles at their max range making it more easy to avoid. I would also try to fight them over friendly SAM sites. I would fly toward the enemy at max speed, reverse and drag them over friendly SAAM sites. Use single a4 on the flanks to sneak in while they are chasing the main force over the SAM sites. I just get the feeling that technology alone is not the decider. Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 01, 2025, 05:32:54 PM
If you're in an A-4 you'll never see the missiles coming.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 05:36:11 PM
If you're in an A-4 you'll never see the missiles coming.
Ok, bad choice of planes. Anything modern but not state of the art. Something with an RWR.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 01, 2025, 05:45:47 PM
I'm not disagreeing that tactics are important. They are, very much so. That can amplify more advanced technology.

Being able to see 360, even through the plane is a huge advantage. And of course there is little doubt that finding and tracking bandits is computer assisted in the F-35. If not now it surely will be soon.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: CptTrips on May 01, 2025, 05:56:44 PM
I'm not disagreeing that tactics are important. They are, very much so. That can amplify more advanced technology.

Being able to see 360, even through the plane is a huge advantage. And of course there is little doubt that finding and tracking bandits is computer assisted in the F-35. If not now it surely will be soon.


As I type this I have a robot cleaning my floors and a robot mowing my lawn outside. 

I'm wondering how much longer we are going to put expensive humans into fighter jets.


Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Yarbles on May 01, 2025, 06:07:35 PM
Its hard to see how tactics are going to overcome the reality that a 5th generation fighter can often spot a 4th generation fighter at around 70 miles separation and not be visible to the opponent until the gap is less than 20 miles. 6th generation fighters are being considered that fly in the centre of a swarm of drones that are not limited by G's on the human body.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 06:25:32 PM
I know this probably isn't much the same but.

Back in the day when flight of the intruder came out I would fly the commie migs and fight against my buddies.

I had an idea of where they would be attacking. I would orbit at very low alt about 50 miles away. Once the GCI called them I would accelerate to max speed, flying just off the deck to the target area. Once I located the enemy I would zoom up from under them and launch my heatseekers before diving back to the deck and retreating along the same route I had just come from.

I would say I got one of the enemy planes more then 60% of the time and I survived prob 90% of the time
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 06:27:22 PM

As I type this I have a robot cleaning my floors and a robot mowing my lawn outside. 

I'm wondering how much longer we are going to put expensive humans into fighter jets.

I have robot vac  but I have like an acre. How much can those robo mowers do?

Also, I think you're right, The days of piloted planes is over. No g-force limits on ai.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: CptTrips on May 01, 2025, 06:30:31 PM
I have robot vac  but I have like an acre. How much can those robo mowers do?

I'll start a separate topic in O'club.

Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 06:33:11 PM
Its hard to see how tactics are going to overcome the reality that a 5th generation fighter can often spot a 4th generation fighter at around 70 miles separation and not be visible to the opponent until the gap is less than 20 miles. 6th generation fighters are being considered that fly in the centre of a swarm of drones that are not limited by G's on the human body.

Even back when I was in many years ago the Tomcat could see stuff that the E2Cs could see without turing on their radar. Data from towed array, helos and ASW planes was all relayed to supercomputers via sattilite to supercomputers located on land to processs acoustic signatures.

That being said I don't think either side is that far advanced.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Eagler on May 02, 2025, 07:28:48 AM
It's getting like being in ww2 with ww1 weaponry..

What was once strength will no longer be..just look at the role of tanks in Ukraine...

Something tells me we might find the same thing with our aircraft carriers if they are ever drawn into a real battle against a real opponent that actually wants us eliminated..

Eagler
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2025, 07:55:45 AM
Be sure there are smart people continually analyzing threats. Also be sure there is technology being kept secret. By all players.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: icepac on May 06, 2025, 01:26:08 PM

Putting the fleet at risk is the name of a topic from last year.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2025, 01:30:17 PM
Tensions there are not easing.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Shuffler on May 06, 2025, 02:51:04 PM
Thinking this could cut down on scam calls.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2025, 04:26:40 PM
Appears to be heating up there now.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Meatwad on May 06, 2025, 05:16:50 PM
pakistan doesnt know that they can appease india by paying them with gift cards requested by phone technical support
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2025, 05:24:48 PM
Pakistan said a bit ago they shot down two Indian fighters. No dog in this fight but I will cheer on US made jets. Assuming it wasn't with SAMs which is certainly possible.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: Max on May 06, 2025, 05:32:29 PM
IBTL
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2025, 06:17:35 PM
I'll argue that any topic can be tied to politics based on the broad definition. Observing two countries, both with nukes, at war is impossible to ignore. Of course that needn't be discussed here.
Title: Re: Topical India v Pakistan
Post by: mERv on May 06, 2025, 06:21:48 PM
So general is a free for all now?  :aok