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Title: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on June 29, 2025, 10:14:28 AM
I was originally a skeptic. As you get your workflows dialed in, it easily doubles my productivity. I am pretty skeptical on tech fads but this is no fad. Doubling productivity may even be conservative.
I haven't seen anything that looks as fundamental change to me since the internet dawned.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 29, 2025, 10:30:02 AM
Recursive AI could lead to advancement beyond our understanding.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on June 29, 2025, 10:51:19 AM
Asimov needs some more rules.
Thou shalt not make AI that can program AI.
Thou shalt not allow AI to render itself into physical form without human permission.
There are probably a hundred others we'll learn along the way. The hard way probably. ;)
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: Randy1 on June 29, 2025, 01:08:21 PM
AI can, and is manipulated. It is a huge way of capturing data.
How long before the first legal case that goes, "AI told me to . . . so how can i be guilty."
AI falls in that "If it sounds to be too good to be true . . ."
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on June 29, 2025, 01:21:20 PM
AI can, and is manipulated. It is a huge way of capturing data.
How long before the first legal case that goes, "AI told me to . . . so how can i be guilty."
AI falls in that "If it sounds to be too good to be true . . ."
Have you been using it in a technical capacity?
Code analysis\generation. Unit test case generation. DB schema translation templates.
I have yet to talk to a programmer who went in hardcore for at least a week and really learned what it can do and watched the vis and tried it on various problems etc that didn't come away fairly shocked at how far and fast it has improved in even the last year. You get out what you put in but you'd have to be blind or stupid not to quickly see the potential.
Yeah, it gets stuff wrong. You have to review and check. But I've learned new things more than I've had to correct in balance. It feels like having a pretty smart H1B working for you and you can hand off what ever crap that is beneath you to do. And just do the clear specification and carefully review the results and mentor and correct the AI for later if necessary.
It's still a huge win on ROI.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: icepac on June 29, 2025, 01:43:04 PM
AI is being lied to.
I'm curious what it thinks about it.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: Eagler on June 29, 2025, 02:10:50 PM
Ask it. Tell it when it's wrong and why. I find them to be more reasonable than a lot people.
Have you started using the mic?
That is what I want to play with next. Just kick back and start talking. But I'd have trouble seeing my KB leaned back with my geezer eyes.
So a barca lounger with chest full of beer an headset and mic and a 50" TV display would be an awesome chatGPT workstation. I wonder if I could expense that.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 29, 2025, 04:32:04 PM
I haven't. There's probably a way to convert its output from text to speech too.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 29, 2025, 04:38:58 PM
I haven't. There's probably a way to convert its output from text to speech too.
Hmmm
VR ChatGPT.
You're walking into this temple room and a Guru is seated on a dais in the middle of room.
"I am the oracle, Gipity. Knower of all things. Approach and ask your question."
You sit in front of him and ask your question. He starts speaking. References images related to his reply are floating in a cloud above his head as he conveys the secrets of the multiverse.
But you're distracted because they programmed these hottie cult chicks in bikini fanning Gipity with giant palm fronds and they've gotten REALLY good with the skin shaders.
"Wait. Wut was that last part? I missed it."
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 29, 2025, 04:55:34 PM
It's been over 40 years. I may have to watch Zardoz again.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 29, 2025, 05:05:06 PM
It really a space version of Gary Cooper's High Noon.
:cheers: It had a gritty, lived-in aesthetic much like Alien. One of the great movies I remember seeing with dear old Dad, when I was but a teen aged squeaker.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on June 30, 2025, 01:35:28 PM
:cheers: It had a gritty, lived-in aesthetic much like Alien. One of the great movies I remember seeing with dear old Dad, when I was but a teen aged squeaker.
Felt like an oil rig in space.
I also prefer Near-Future SciFi. Both that and Alien had that industrial Near-Future vibe. It felt a lot more believable than if they were prancing around in spandex shooting lasers. ;)
Like the Abyss. That was like an oil rig on the bottom of the ocean. Had an grease smudged industrial feel.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2025, 02:16:43 PM
I also prefer Near-Future SciFi. Both that and Alien had that industrial Near-Future vibe. It felt a lot more believable than if they were prancing around in spandex shooting lasers. ;)
Like the Abyss. That was like an oil rig on the bottom of the ocean. Had an grease smudged industrial feel.
Both great movies. Movies like Alien show their age though when they add all those computer register lamps. It was made in 1979 afterall.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2025, 02:21:48 PM
Apart from the way too long psychedelic trip in the pod, 2001 A Space Odyssey was very well done. Saw it at theater in 1968.
I think Kubrick thought those color substitution shots would have emotional impact.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on June 30, 2025, 02:33:48 PM
Filmed inside a decommissioned aircraft carrier, BTW. And the robots were double amputees walking on their hands. :O The special effects were so ahead of their time, this guys went on to get a job doing Star Wars.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2025, 02:54:35 PM
The 60's Star Trek was way ahead of its time in many ways but they got the name of the computer wrong. It's Alexa.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2025, 03:35:12 PM
Speaking of sci fi, found a series on YouTube called Taken by Steven Spielberg..not sure how we missed it in 2002..
About halfway through..we are enjoying it..it sure isn't ET
No spoilers please lol
Eagler
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: caldera on June 30, 2025, 06:10:49 PM
I also prefer Near-Future SciFi. Both that and Alien had that industrial Near-Future vibe. It felt a lot more believable than if they were prancing around in spandex shooting lasers. ;)
Like the Abyss. That was like an oil rig on the bottom of the ocean. Had an grease smudged industrial feel.
Colonel Wilma Deering was completely believable in spandex, while shooting lasers. :D
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: uptown on July 01, 2025, 08:45:12 AM
Why do people embrace something that will be the demise of the human race? AI scares me to death.
Haven't you guys watched Space Odyssey 2001? AI will figure out how people are stupid, and we the creatures causing all the fuss is the world. You might as well let satan himself in the house as that stuff. I should have been born 200 years ago, because I ain't diggin' on AI one bit. Mankind is playing with fire if ya ask me. :old:
P.S. You don't think this AI stuff won't be used in war? In 2 generations at the most, you'll have no control in your lives. It'll have your money, food, transportation, medical ..you name it, ..all locked down. People thought gun powder was cool too when it was invented.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2025, 09:02:27 AM
Why do people embrace something that will be the demise of the human race? AI scares me to death.
Haven't you guys watched Space Odyssey 2001? AI will figure out how people are stupid, and we the creatures causing all the fuss is the world. You might as well let satan himself in the house as that stuff. I should have been born 200 years ago, because I ain't diggin' on AI one bit. Mankind is playing with fire if ya ask me. :old:
Well, the Amish would say the same thing about the computers and the internet we are conversing across.
They’d say the same thing about your car, your home AC, automobiles, airplanes, heart defibrillators.
All tech has the capability of good or harm and there is always the older generations assumption that it means the end of the world.
And it might. ;) It is certainly going to be massively disruptive to ever single facet of your life. It is happening so fast. I’m a technologist. I follow tech actively and AI in particular and it is happening so fast I can’t even keep up with it.
In a year or two it will be everywhere and touching everything you do in some way in virtually every facet of your life.
But you can’t unring a bell. How you “feel” about isn’t going to change anything. So your choices are master it and exploit it, or be crushed by it.
Even if you are retired and out of the job market, before you can blink it is gong to be everywhere touching everything. You better get used to it.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: uptown on July 01, 2025, 09:08:19 AM
:rofl I live around tons of Amish, so there ya have it. I'm always wanted to be Amish without the haircuts and smell though. :D
Actually, The Amish was a call sign I used in here years ago :rofl
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2025, 09:10:21 AM
Most star systems in the galaxy are binary systems. Astronomers sometimes call Jupiter the star that failed. It didn't quite have enough material to pull in to reach critical mass and ignite and become our smaller companion star. In a more typical star system, it would have been our smaller second sun. We got gypped. ;)
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: uptown on July 01, 2025, 09:25:30 AM
I can't believe I never heard of this movie. I might watch that tonight. :rock
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2025, 09:29:35 AM
I can't imagine not liking an Arthur C. Clarke book. Rendevous with Rama is supposed to come to the screen eventually.
I've heard that for over a decade. ;)
I think it would make a better VR game than a movie. Imagine being at the door at the hub in VR turning on the lights and a whole worlds on rolls in front of you in 3d. Imagine being down on the ring sea in high waves look at the other half of the world arching over your head.
And you wouldn't have to build the whole thing. You sell it in ring expansion packs. Start with the hub and the first two rings and keep selling expansion rings until you have traversed the cylinder.
Then you can expand to ships two and three later with new content. ;)
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: Chris79 on July 01, 2025, 12:39:03 PM
So, are we in the Dune, terminator, or matrix universe?
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2025, 12:40:13 PM
Seems to be a growing consensus we are in a black hole.
I thought it was a simulation.
Or maybe the black hole is how you render a simulation. It's the universe projector.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: xanax on July 02, 2025, 01:09:22 AM
I pick one or two threads to read whenever I log in and this one happens to be one today. What a bunch of nerds! Each and every one of you who participated in this thread needs an atomic wedgie and their pocket protector sent through the paper shredder. Isn't there a Star Trek convention or something going on you could attend? Maybe a "Stranger Things" marathon on Netflix?
I apologize. I only saw one of the Star Wars movies, hated Star Trek on TV thus never saw the movies and definitely avoided 2001 and 2010 on principle. I did watch Buck Rogers though but only to see Erin Gray in the tight skinsuits. I basically do not like the Sci-Fi genre as a whole and I'm not sure why. I even disliked Planet of the Apes! Yeah, I'm an infidel so lineup for your wedgies and/or pink belly's.
Wait. Your saving grace is the fact I thoroughly enjoyed "The Martian." I enjoyed the book more than the movie but both I did enjoy. You can go now, you've been granted a reprieve.
Nerds!
I kid of course. Carry on, geeks.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: CptTrips on July 02, 2025, 01:27:30 AM
I think one day soon that AI going offline will be as impactful to us as losing the Internet is today.
I use it for so many things atm and it is so time saving, that at this point if it suddenly vanished, it'd be like being asked to use the internet without Google or any other search engine.
Well, technically it's possible, but I would never tolerate going back to that.
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: uptown on July 02, 2025, 08:43:21 PM
I almost wish the internet would go off for a month, just to prove to people that putting all your eggs in this basket is a fatal mistake. But like everyone else, we think it won't happen to us.
This is why I don't have a Black Mamba sitting over here by the fish tank. I love em' but would rather watch someone else miss with them. :O
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: Eagler on July 03, 2025, 06:04:08 AM
I almost wish the internet would go off for a month, just to prove to people that putting all your eggs in this basket is a fatal mistake. But like everyone else, we think it won't happen to us.
This is why I don't have a Black Mamba sitting over here by the fish tank. I love em' but would rather watch someone else miss with them. :O
You do realize the "anxiety" the loss of the internet would cause to many if not the majority of Americans if not the globe if the internet went dark for just a week let alone a month..
I think you'd see ppl actually bouncing into walls while staring at their phone as they swipe at it endlessly for the next refresh of Instagram..and others in the fetal position crying for momma...extreme civil unrest eventually
We are a very sad lot these days imo..
It would be the icing on the cake of a power grid hack..
Eagler
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: caldera on July 03, 2025, 07:12:03 AM
I pick one or two threads to read whenever I log in and this one happens to be one today. What a bunch of nerds! Each and every one of you who participated in this thread needs an atomic wedgie and their pocket protector sent through the paper shredder. Isn't there a Star Trek convention or something going on you could attend? Maybe a "Stranger Things" marathon on Netflix?
I apologize. I only saw one of the Star Wars movies, hated Star Trek on TV thus never saw the movies and definitely avoided 2001 and 2010 on principle. I did watch Buck Rogers though but only to see Erin Gray in the tight skinsuits. I basically do not like the Sci-Fi genre as a whole and I'm not sure why. I even disliked Planet of the Apes! Yeah, I'm an infidel so lineup for your wedgies and/or pink belly's.
Wait. Your saving grace is the fact I thoroughly enjoyed "The Martian." I enjoyed the book more than the movie but both I did enjoy. You can go now, you've been granted a reprieve.
Star Trek TOS was my favorite show as a kid and it still is as a 59 year old geek.
Oh man. It sounds stupid but TOS was my life growing up. I was TOS obsessed. I watched every episode over and over and over every evening at 6pm on one of the UHF stations. Had every line of every episode memorized almost. I was a bit OCD as a kid. ;)
We had a weird setup. We had two local competing UHF channels and I guess they were both too small to afford the TOS license so I guess they split the cost and half the year TOS was on one channel half the other. When they switched they have a marathon and run every episode in order. That was my yearly Mecca pilgrimage and I'd stay up all night. My parents just rolled their eyes and let me slide once a year. LoL.
For a certain cohort of our Gen-X population, TOS was formative. It's a set of mythology that we all pretty much share. I think Star Wars and TOS were to Gen-X'ers like what Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were to the Ancient Greeks. ;)
Yes, I begged for the Star Trek Technical Manual for my birthday or Xmas for years. :rofl
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: caldera on July 03, 2025, 10:28:55 AM
Oh man. It sounds stupid but TOS was my life growing up. I was TOS obsessed. I watched every episode over and over and over every evening at 6pm on one of the UHF stations. Had every line of every episode memorized almost. I was a bit OCD as a kid. ;)
We had a weird setup. We had two local competing UHF channels and I guess they were both too small to afford the TOS license so I guess they split the cost and half the year TOS was on one channel half the other. When they switched they have a marathon and run every episode in order. That was my yearly Mecca pilgrimage and I'd stay up all night. My parents just rolled their eyes and let me slide once a year. LoL.
For a certain cohort of our Gen-X population, TOS was formative. It's a set of mythology that we all pretty much share. I think Star Wars and TOS were to Gen-X'ers like what Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were to the Ancient Greeks. ;)
Yes, I begged for the Star Trek Technical Manual for my birthday or Xmas for years. :rofl
That's awesome! :cheers:
Title: Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
Post by: xanax on July 03, 2025, 11:13:33 AM
Star Trek TOS was my favorite show as a kid and it still is as a 59 year old geek.
You are the equivalent to my bigger cousin who was a year older (still is) and had complete control of the TV. He loved that stuff whereas I preferred Hogan's Heroes, Speed Racer and Flipper along with any baseball game that we could get on cable...early cable days-we'd get channels from Sacramento, Oakland and SF. I did like the Scottish engine room guy though, "We need more power, captain!"