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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKKuya on July 18, 2025, 04:21:01 PM
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Does Aces High possess the capability of improving with a whole new updated version? Would that appeal to present day gamers? Can a WW2 based combat flight simulator compete against missiles and jet aircraft?
Hypothetical:
Would an existing player who had the money be able to buy the game, hire a team of programmers, and market Aces High 4?
or,
Will Dale sell the game to a gaming company?
This is the real question pertaining to all the comments and suggestions for the game.
If I had the money, then I would buy the game and hire programmers plus start marketing the new version. That's me. I once started a topic on the players buying the game over a decade ago for a million dollars. Dale responded X 5 for the amount. What would be the asking price now?
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You'd be better off making your own game than buying this one and making an Aces High 4. There isnt a following large enough to justify paying money for the player base. A solid WW2 open world flight sim would draw the players away on its own.
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You'd be better off making your own game than buying this one and making an Aces High 4. There isnt a following large enough to justify paying money for the player base. A solid WW2 open world flight sim would draw the players away on its own.
There is potential for bringing in tons of new and returning players. It's about innovation and sustainability.
Innovation requires fresh talent to create the new game at the core level of code and programming. They would begin a new chapter in Aces High.
Sustainability happens by keeping the methods of the game that works best.
1) Monthly subscription that entitles a player to full access of all features
2) Limited free access to online content to peek at what is more to get with subscription
3) Keeping the 3 chess piece countries for tradition
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If you build it they will come... or you could just offer a service or two
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This comes up every couple months.
There are a lot of moving parts that can all go different directions.
The only true answers have to come from HT, and it's not going to be done on a bbs. The best way to find out is make him an offer on the phone or in person. Anything else is pure speculation, no matter who says it.
Can it be updated to say Unreal Engine? only HT could answer that. My assumption is yes....with work.
I think many of us learned the hard way with Air Warrior that selling to another gaming company could be almost certain death. OR they redo it to go a totally different direction.
5 million could be a decent price depending on future plans for it and are they marketable. of course 5m depends on when that price was made and how big the player base then and now.....either way the work is worth that.
NOW,.. to update it to say Unreal Engine,... and lets say everything goes smoothly,....depending on the level of updating,.... you're looking at 3-9 months of work with maybe 5 on the payroll. So that's is where your loss or gain begin.
Depending on how many players you draw, how soon can you break even on that 5-6m. Topped with is it enough to do a major update it at least every 5 years. It is some serious gamble, not for the weak-hearted. I will say, it seems most 3d engines are at a point where it's as good as they can get, I don't think there is much room left to update to, maybe up date it to the best engine and small updates along the way.... unless we go hologram.
Despite a few bugs I wouldn't notice unless someone mentioned them, you have a very solid game. Most of the things brought up on bbs is some nit picking by the same group <ducks from projectiles> that usually turns out to be just controlling human nature with wack-a-moe than bugs or bad design. Maps and skins are still be created/updated. The FM is very good.
Yep, we'd all love to see an update, and I think most agree an update would draw back much of the former base and new players.....again,... that's what we think,.. it's a gamble.
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There is potential for bringing in tons of new and returning players. It's about innovation and sustainability.
Innovation requires fresh talent to create the new game at the core level of code and programming. They would begin a new chapter in Aces High.
Sustainability happens by keeping the methods of the game that works best.
1) Monthly subscription that entitles a player to full access of all features
2) Limited free access to online content to peek at what is more to get with subscription
3) Keeping the 3 chess piece countries for tradition
I agree on most you said. Everyone has their own ideas on marketing. right now it comes to reaching out with videos. Some of us have done that and with some results. we had it up to 200 in the MA last year, but had some unfortunate incidents that chased some off. Some are working on rebuilding that.
1) The problem I see with letting trials into the MA, is you will end up with leap-frog players who bounce from game to game, have no intention of committing to it, just trying to game the games. Think there is some dweebery now?,.. unleash that bowl of spaghetti on the MA, won't be pleasant I ASSUME.
2) You get most for free now, except certain arenas.
3) Again, I agree, not just for tradition, it just works, as long as you have above critical mass, for the MA is about 110-120. Above that the game starts rocking in all 3 countries.
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Does Aces High possess the capability of improving with a whole new updated version? Would that appeal to present day gamers? Can a WW2 based combat flight simulator compete against missiles and jet aircraft?
In the game I currently play that has hundreds of thousands of players there are planes from just after WWI all the way to the newest jets. There are a great many players that play the WW2 stuff almost exclusively even though jets and wish em dead weapons are available. Based on this and IL2 GB Combat pilot and the other one I forgot the name of coming online I think there's a big marked for WW2 based combat sims.
I think the difference is that they are evolving and I am not aware of any other then AH3 that have payment models that are only subscription based. I don't think it would be too tough to modify AH to model some of these other sims. You could make ENY purchasable, you could do a progression starting in an early war arena with high eny planes and then progressing though to mid and late war areas. You could make planes purchasable.
I think that it would be doable but I think you would have to get the the interest of those players in the other sims. I do think there is also a big base of previous players that may be able to be convinced to come back based on what changed.
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I'd rather buy cattle. I can't eat a video game
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If not for subs, Ah may have dumped yrs ago.
Look at the problems of other sims. If they didn’t have a massive player base they would fold. AH is surviving a smaller base, the others mathematically cannot survive this. One is having big problem with a huge player base.
Many don’t do basic math, in the long run they pay as much, or more. Its mental, its marketing. Smoke and mirrors.
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Does Aces High possess the capability of improving with a whole new updated version?
What kind of update is really needed? A higher poly count interior is about it. The skins look great at a 200-400 mph closure, even slow in a rope they look good.
Would that appeal to present day gamers? Can a WW2 based combat flight simulator compete against missiles and jet aircraft?
There are many WWII sims out there, some are doing well. If they werent there, like in the old days, they would still be flying AH.
Hypothetical:
Would an existing player who had the money be able to buy the game, hire a team of programmers, and market Aces High 4?
or,
Will Dale sell the game to a gaming company?
This is the real question pertaining to all the comments and suggestions for the game.
If I had the money, then I would buy the game and hire programmers plus start marketing the new version. That's me. I once started a topic on the players buying the game over a decade ago for a million dollars. Dale responded X 5 for the amount. What would be the asking price now?
I seriously doubt Hitech would sell the game any time soon, to us or another game company. Nobody but Hitech knows the numbers but lets do a bit of wild speculation.
500 players x $14.95 a month = just under $7500, x 12 months = just under $70k a year. Im sure his server is paid up by now, he has had it a few years. Electricity and cooling are something he pays anyway because the server is in his home so you can call it a wash. That leaves connection and maintenance. An average T1 connection in Texas is $750 a month, fiber is less for 5GB. AH uses many small packets, so Im unsure of the up/down data stream that is needed, so call it $10k a year. That leaves him $60k to cover his maintenance of the servers. A nice sum for not a lot of work any more seeing as he build a pretty bullet proof game.
Im sure there are more than 500 subscriptions, and Im sure there are other costs involved with keeping the game running, but $60k is a nice little income Id be happy with, wouldnt you?
I dont know the cost of living in Texas, but 60k is a nice income here in New England for poking at a keyboard from home for a couple hours a day. Why would he give that up? He still seems to be involved with the game. He gave me the OK to start a Discord Server (https://discord.gg/yxyGqer2Bn), he is still checking and approving maps as they are built or edited, he is still adding skins as they are made and approved, he monitors the BBS and edits where necessary. Maybe the more he works on the game the more interested he will be to dig deeper into things. Maybe he'll add a new plane, who knows.
I truely believe he isnt going to sell the game, not now, not for awhile.
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$7500, x 12 months = just under $70k a year.
Math must not be a strong point of yours.
HiTech
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T1? Do they still sell those? I see Frontier offers 7GB business connections for $149. 25 years ago a T1 would cost you over a grand a month. T1 is 1.544Mbps.
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Math must not be a strong point of yours.
HiTech
LOL!!!! true, but it was all made up numbers anyway but it still proves the point I was trying to make...... Why sell? Its still a good income..... even if my numbers came up $20k shy :)
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Slipping into darkness.....Depending on standard of living, a family of 2-3 must hit over $70k+ per year for the stress of meeting bills starts to subside, and still take a small vacation. Now if you have a loaded bank account and $60-70k per yr, you're probably keeping your nose above water and retaining that savings.
We all have blind ideas and perceptions. I'm sure HT has a few laughs and rolling eyes.
The scary part of updating to higher poly counts is another gamble. Lets say we up the poly count........ya may have just lost about 1/4 of your current devoted players who would have to upgrade gear to play it,...some might afford it, some may walk away with a broken heart. Would it be enough that you get enough replacements and beyond to offset that? How far can we up the count before losing some long time dedicated players? The fact this game can play on old computers quite well is a great thing. I don't play other games, so I'm not sure,...but for some of these players AH is their whole life. I personally wouldn't have the heart to push them out with higher requirements beyond what they have.
For me, totally opinion,.... it's either go real $big$,... or just add some fresh visual$,... which is why I lean towards FX (broken record). If I ever got a green light I would certainly dig into it.
I'm totally speaking from the twilight zone, as without HT's extended input, we all are. bbs general is prolly not the place for that convo beyond this. Way too many fingers in the pie. We don't know what the limitations are under the current engine.
Some people complain, ya make changes, then they move the goal post of demands.
I'm not sure selling it is a great idea. Prolly cause some of us got burned before, stigmatized. We had our hopes, rightfully so, it just didn't go as wished.
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I would be up for some sweat equity. I know how to do some stuff.
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Does Aces High possess the capability of improving with a whole new updated version? Would that appeal to present day gamers? Can a WW2 based combat flight simulator compete against missiles and jet aircraft?
Hypothetical:
Would an existing player who had the money be able to buy the game, hire a team of programmers, and market Aces High 4?
or,
Will Dale sell the game to a gaming company?
This is the real question pertaining to all the comments and suggestions for the game.
If I had the money, then I would buy the game and hire programmers plus start marketing the new version. That's me. I once started a topic on the players buying the game over a decade ago for a million dollars. Dale responded X 5 for the amount. What would be the asking price now?
If I remember correctly he expects the game to last another 10 years. A year or two ago he said he would sell for 1.5 million USD.
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Math must not be a strong point of yours.
HiTech
GOT EM :rofl :aok
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LOL!!!! true, but it was all made up numbers anyway but it still proves the point I was trying to make...... Why sell? Its still a good income..... even if my numbers came up $20k shy :)
I think your sub-conscious was calculating taxes and overhead you just forgot to add that to your comment :cheers:
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I think your sub-conscious was calculating taxes and overhead you just forgot to add that to your comment :cheers:
LOL!!! Hitech has his issues (spelling), I have mine :neener:
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If I remember correctly he expects the game to last another 10 years. A year or two ago he said he would sell for 1.5 million USD.
If that's true, then a Go Fund Me campaign is possible.
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Y'all could drive over to Grapevine with an investment check. 25 yrs and the price to play has never went up. The price for everything from then to now has doubled in price and the man lost all his staff. Making maps, skins and videos don't pay the bills. :salute
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If that's true, then a Go Fund Me campaign is possible.
:cheers:
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,411045.0.html
:salute
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Y'all could drive over to Grapevine with an investment check. 25 yrs and the price to play has never went up. The price for everything from then to now has doubled in price and the man lost all his staff. Making maps, skins and videos don't pay the bills. :salute
The thing doone are meant to draw some players. Its at no cost. My goal wasn’t just more players but also more revenue to afford something. <shrug>
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Or double the subscription price so it'd be an ongoing source of revenue instead of a one time donation. :salute
Ya can't milk a cow for 50 cents a day forever. At some point the cost of feed goes up.
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When generations start being replaced by following generations, what is important changes as well.
You can even see it on antiques road show. You see the shift in what is valuable now vs twenty years ago. Even old farm tractors value has changed. As our generation declines so does what we thought was something that needs to be preserved no longer is considered important.
WW2 interest is mostly left to the historians as we die off. 911 is soon to follow I am sad to say.
Sadly too as all of this slips away under the cry new apps are for the cellphone glued to the eyes of the recent generations. Equally as sad is the term "Smart Phone" in the hands of those that are so poorly educated.
AH is only valuable to us still alive from our generation. The good news is we still like blowing each other up. That is not going to change as long as we can hold a joystick inside our finger's grip. :cool:
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Punching some simple numbers in the calculator, I used a monthly subscription of 5000 players. That totaled $75,000. 5000 subscriptions is a good goal.
Minus taxes and maintenance/overhead, maybe $30,000?
What would the going salary of a good game developer cost? $5000 per month? 4 game developers could be possible.
Hire two marketing employees to handle viral content and be social influencing.
It would be possible to gain traction.
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Punching some simple numbers in the calculator, I used a monthly subscription of 5000 players. That totaled $75,000. 5000 subscriptions is a good goal.
Minus taxes and maintenance/overhead, maybe $30,000?
What would the going salary of a good game developer cost? $5000 per month? 4 game developers could be possible.
Hire two marketing employees to handle viral content and be social influencing.
It would be possible to gain traction.
IMO, you should deep research current available players in the genre in top 3-5 sims.
The way I see it, its caught in a catch 22. Its due a graphic upgrade, to pay fir that you need a minimal count to afford it, yet its hard to draw them in with aged graphics to get that number.
Therefore, ya need an investor who will gamble on it. Then you can start to lose control of it. It’s totally “possible”. But our first example 25 yrs ago was not a positive turnout.
Any upgrade would need to be significant enough to draw from those top 3-5 sims. You already have a better game play.
Fleeting thoughts
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AcesHigh is worth buying. HiTech's creation deserves to outlive us all. :old:
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AcesHigh is worth buying. HiTech's creation deserves to outlive us all. :old:
$1M-$2M would be a fair asking price, he would probably be negotiated down quite a bit. Would all depend what someone wanted it for. Wonder if the combat pilot crew has ever made an offer.
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$1M-$2M would be a fair asking price, he would probably be negotiated down quite a bit. Would all depend what someone wanted it for. Wonder if the combat pilot crew has ever made an offer.
I looked behind the sofa cushions and failed to find such a sum. Low personal living expenses/needs, meaningful efforts to improve the game to keep it running and more passion to keep it alive than the next man is all I will ever be able to offer.
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I looked behind the sofa cushions and failed to find such a sum. Low personal living expenses/needs, meaningful efforts to improve the game to keep it running and more passion to keep it alive than the next man is all I will ever be able to offer.
It’s worth what someone would pay of course. Intellectual property alone could be valued at $1M. Thats just the code itself and what surrounds it, the individual plane models and server environment. Some of those things are fairly unique in the flight sim world.
I have had GPT do extensive deep research on this for some time. I have a whole project dedicated to AH in my GPT. I use it for gameplay and to discuss and table top the things we chat about here.
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Well,
Putting plans and negotiation tactics in open air is the last place you want to start. He’s mist likely going to read, but not reply, nor would I.
Every question requires a private sit-down with HT.
Everyone is just guessing from their POV.
HT also watched what happened to AW. I’m not so sure he would want his gem going that route. He’s not starving or in disparate situation to give someone a bargain.
If thats the case, the effort would be to get and keep numbers up to afford an update. If this can’t be done then gambling odds diminish.
If ya can’t get numbers up in this case ya shouldn’t own it.
No one is proving that deep core concept.
We had a momentum going last yr, it was broken by several incidents. One being saying we need numbers then more post about how great another game is. “You’re fired. Not to mention more severe stupid.
Right now, no one is proving they should own it. Some suggestions I see here, thise oeople should never touch coding.
Great intensions tho, god bless ya
No offense intended
If ya got the money, talk to HT, not here.
BTW, I believe AH is savable
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I know nothing about coding and programming. I tap the power button and click the desktop icons. I know that buying the game requires hiring talent to code and program the game.
I'm sure Dale gets a kick out of our ideas due to our not knowing anything on the true business model of the game he created and runs. He keeps that information to himself especially the true count of monthly subscriptions. We guess.
We do have passion. We do have the BBS to vent and amuse.
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I know nothing about coding and programming. I tap the power button and click the desktop icons. I know that buying the game requires hiring talent to code and program the game.
I'm sure Dale gets a kick out of our ideas due to our not knowing anything on the true business model of the game he created and runs. He keeps that information to himself especially the true count of monthly subscriptions. We guess.
We do have passion. We do have the BBS to vent and amuse.
Oh ya, I can hear HT lol from here.
Would be super kewl if poly count could just be turned up without an huge upgrade.
The "Pipe Dream" knob.
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i work in software development. 100k per year will get you very little in terms of coding ability those days. Wages got crazy in last 2 decades. Programmer from 1990s and programmer of 2025 are two very different beasts.
Then comes everything else, art - at far more detailed level then what it was back in the days, complexity, supporting various versions/drivers etc.
What happened in 1990s in flight sims is unlikely to happen again. You would need a kickstarter for million or more to get a semi functioning game with 20% of AH functionalities and up to date graphics, and you'd also alienate 50% of current customer base due to hardware requirements.
Ain't happening folks.
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I imagine with AI the ability to create art and games just with simple requests is going to become very easy. One person that knows how to get the most out of AI could do alot of work towards upgrading the game, or creating a new one altogether. The requirement to know how to code is beginning to go away, just knowing what you want AI to code will get you very far.
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I imagine with AI the ability to create art and games just with simple requests is going to become very easy. One person that knows how to get the most out of AI could do alot of work towards upgrading the game, or creating a new one altogether. The requirement to know how to code is beginning to go away, just knowing what you want AI to code will get you very far.
Dunno know about that. Ypu have to know enough to spot an error and ehy.
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i work in software development. 100k per year will get you very little in terms of coding ability those days. Wages got crazy in last 2 decades. Programmer from 1990s and programmer of 2025 are two very different beasts.
Then comes everything else, art - at far more detailed level then what it was back in the days, complexity, supporting various versions/drivers etc.
What happened in 1990s in flight sims is unlikely to happen again. You would need a kickstarter for million or more to get a semi functioning game with 20% of AH functionalities and up to date graphics, and you'd also alienate 50% of current customer base due to hardware requirements.
Ain't happening folks.
Not to me tion the guys who built this went above and beyond a pay rate as an employee..
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I offered Dale $150 cash. He sat there a bit and poured three shots. He threw one back and took a long look at me. Then he threw another back and looked out across the pasture. He hem hawed a bit then threw back the last shot. Then he slung those glasses off the porch, drew his pistol, and broke each one before they could touch dirt. He slowly holstered his colt revolver as he eyed me across the table.... and that was that. I took that as a "No".
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Don't tell hi-tech this but I would pay double.. the reason isn't the graphics or plane choices or maps.. it's you !..I would generally miss you this game this community this bbs.. it's worth double even with all the bickering it has what no other games I've played has .. the type of fun and other aspects and arenas and a general attachment to some of you old timers <S>
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I have a GPT set up to tell me how much time and resources it would take to implement something. Tell me what you wanna see and I will ask.
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.... and you'd also alienate 50% of current customer base due to hardware requirements.
Ain't happening folks.
Big factor with me as a consumer who loves the low subscription cost I've enjoyed since '04. Having spent most of my working life taking care of family on a lower income scale in rural Oregon, it was always a wary thought on my brain about Aces High's advancements in graphics and other aspects that would require spending money on hardware upgrades, or ultimately a new PC build. Budget, budget, budget...
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I have a GPT set up to tell me how much time and resources it would take to implement something. Tell me what you wanna see and I will ask.
1) Upgrading VOX to a real time conference call allowing everyone speaking and hearing at the same time
2) Creating code allowing destruction of trees
3) Creating a simple method of programming Staged Missions with click icon parameters
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Convert it to Unreal Engine as is, build new from there?
I assume less than starting from scratch.
Fleeting thoughts by Animl
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It's worth it to me ...
I pay for it monthly..a measly 50 cents a day..best money I spend, bang for the buck these days..
The game is not the issues..it's the players..
Last night great example..crazy fight between rooks and bish while knights had a circle jerk with themselves as no one would rise and fight them..
Forced to go bish just to have any kind of interactions..
Smaller maps with uncapturable bases located close enough to allow any country to reach any fight..
Eagler
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Definitely worth buying, but it scares me since another company/person who doesn't understand the game and player base could completely ruin the game.
Only thing that should really change is removal of BowlMA, CraterMA, Buzzsawz, and Oceania. And then allow map makers and skinners to make updates. I'd probbaly increase CV strength and make some revisions to ENY, perk the B26 and TU2s, reduce the 190D to 5 eny and increase the tempest perk cost. Really dont need to make much more adj to gameplay tho. Add a separate free fight server since Match play no longer provides that. I wish there was was a code to add more points to attack the other side if no action there but thats about it.
I wouldn't want a company to get in and completely ruin the concept. I also wouldn't want a company to get in and not do anything, but that may be the better approach.
In anycase, id be happy to take over the game for Hitech to atleast make sure the game doesn't change too much to keep its overall concept.
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109s need high perks :)
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Definitely worth buying, but it scares me since another company/person who doesn't understand the game and player base could completely ruin the game.
Only thing that should really change is removal of BowlMA, CraterMA, Buzzsawz, and Oceania. And then allow map makers and skinners to make updates. I'd probbaly increase CV strength and make some revisions to ENY, perk the B26 and TU2s, reduce the 190D to 5 eny and increase the tempest perk cost. Really dont need to make much more adj to gameplay tho. Add a separate free fight server since Match play no longer provides that. I wish there was was a code to add more points to attack the other side if no action there but thats about it.
I wouldn't want a company to get in and completely ruin the concept. I also wouldn't want a company to get in and not do anything, but that may be the better approach.
In anycase, id be happy to take over the game for Hitech to atleast make sure the game doesn't change too much to keep its overall concept.
Me bets you'd be making setting changes weekly. :) <runs>
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109s need high perks :)
Nah, the #s don't reflect it. I'd maybe bring down the k4 to an 8 eny and G14 to 18. Just looking at this month, the 190D has almost 1000 more kills than a K4. That means its far more impactful to the MA. The 190D is also a lot less fun to fight against than the K4. So it just makes the engagements more boring chasing them around. The G14 is actually quite slow and turns relatively mediocre, but understanding ACM vert flying makes it seems like it turns well. It cannot outrun a yak9u even, and its only saving grace is having the gondies in the MA to help it bring some planes down faster. Overall the g14 does well when it has friendlies to support but will get ganged easily if not.
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Me bets you'd be making setting changes weekly. :) <runs>
Lol, Nah, but im just irritated with B26s and Tu2s downing a CV every time. They are so fast and if high most planes cannot catch them and then its a 1 pass wonder to destroy a great CV fight.
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Lol, Nah, but im just irritated with B26s and Tu2s downing a CV every time. They are so fast and if high most planes cannot catch them and then its a 1 pass wonder to destroy a great CV fight.
And each plane’s characteristics is why each one was built and used for specific operations, to win.
Can’t stand Spits, LAs, Typhs, but except for HOs, they are working as designed.
Yus guts want them all below or equal to 109s.
A good pilet in 109 will smoke a 190D n TnB. No I’m not going to stop and pose for the shot. I’m Gumby damnit
Its da pilet.
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And each plane’s characteristics is why each one was built and used for specific operations, to win.
Can’t stand Spits, LAs, Typhs, but except for HOs, they are working as designed.
Yus guts want them all below or equal to 109s.
A good pilet in 109 will smoke a 190D n TnB. No I’m not going to stop and pose for he shot. I’m Gumby damnit
Its da pilet.
A 190D can run from most of the MA including a K4 and can out dive and out climb it easy. Theres no reason for a 190D to turn n burn and 98% of them dont. Leading to boring engagements. The 109 will get ganged much quicker and also only has 64 30mm cannons that you have to be extremely presice while the 190D gets to spray 500 cannons and 1k 50 cals. It makes a huge difference. Again, that's why 190Ds are one of the most used planes in the game. A p40, no matter how good the pilot is, isnt going to be able run from most of the MA and will get ganged most of the time if no friendlies are around. Being able to run is a huge benefit that not all planes have and a pilot whose great at defense ACM is no match for 3 190Ds and 2 spits16s on their 6, and even the 50 cals are so weak that even if you get an overshoot shot on them, it doesn't do enough damage to hardly scratch the paint. Doesn't matter how good a pilot is.
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A 190D can run from most of the MA including a K4 and can out dive and out climb it easy. Theres no reason for a 190D to turn n burn and 98% of them dont. Leading to boring engagements. The 109 will get ganged much quicker and also only has 64 30mm cannons that you have to be extremely presice while the 190D gets to spray 500 cannons and 1k 50 cals. It makes a huge difference. Again, that's why 190Ds are one of the most used planes in the game. A p40, no matter how good the pilot is, isnt going to be able run from most of the MA and will get ganged most of the time if no friendlies are around. Being able to run is a huge benefit that not all planes have and a pilot whose great at defense ACM is no match for 3 190Ds and 2 spits16s on their 6, and even the 50 cals are so weak that even if you get an overshoot shot on them, it doesn't do enough damage to hardly scratch the paint. Doesn't matter how good a pilot is.
Well, I think you may need a ride with me. In fact I’m collecting films of it. Several planes are able to catch up to me. I have films of up to 4-6 catching up on my 6 and landing rounds. LAs, Spit16s, 51s, F4Us, and Typhs will do it and fairly regularly. Now if I dive in from alt and doing 450-500, good luck. As far as making 2-4 turns then extending and walking away, not likely. From a 109, ya maybe.
Now if someone just flys it in a straight line, then sure, you’re probably right. Thats not how I roll, but whateva.
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Going to take a couple hundred new guys to drain this swamp
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Well, I think you may beed a ride with me. In fact I’m collecting films of it. Several planes are able to catch up to me. I have films of up to 4-6 catching up in my 6 and landing rounds. LAs, Spit16s, 51s, F4Us, and Typhs will do it and fairly regularly. Now if I dive in from alt snd doing 450-500, good luck. As far as making 2-4 turns then extending and walking away, not likely. From a 109, ya maybe.
Now if someone just flys it in a straight line, then sure, you’re probably right. Thats not how I roll, but whateva.
190D has serious oil leak time. It was either last week or the week before you and I got tangled pretty high up in the air. I meant to post about this in here after, but didn’t get a chance because I’m assuming you were screaming into the microphone the same as I was lol
It was me and I think one other rook and then either two or three of your side one was a P51D. You were in a 190D and I can’t remember if I was also in one or the Ta152. I think it was the Ta. You probably can check a film. After a couple of merges, I landed a hit that opened a leak to your oil and we sort of broke apart after that. I remember the other countrymen in range asking me if I needed to worry about the 190 and I said no I got its oil. It should be done soon.
As we were both extending, I saw the the 51 trying to duck away on the deck and since you and I had enough distance and the oil had now been leaking for a minute or so, I figured I had plenty of time to dive down and mop up the 51 and move on to the airfield about half a sector away for whatever ever else might be up. But of course, as as my usual, I overshot the 51 putting whatever plane I was in to the edge of compression and as I was climbing up to come back around, I saw you coming back again from a didtance. I only saw you because of the leaking oil.
I was asked again on range if we needed to worry about the 190 and I was like no that thing’s been leaking forever. It shouldn’t be up much longer. I climbed up about 10,000 feet I think and you didn’t stop coming. You caught up to me lickety-split and I think we had one more merge possibly two at that point I just said well forget it. This thing’s gonna run out of juice soon. Let’s see it try and catch me.
Narrater: The 190D did not in fact run out of juice.
So I extended figuring there’s no way you’re gonna be able to keep up with a busted engine but you kept coming and I remember saying on range again when is this Fn thing gonna run out of oil!!!
You slowly were able to get close to me but never closer than 600 yards. You started taking shots at around 800 and up at 600 but you must’ve ran out of pew pews or you wanted to get home because you decided to turn around and head back to the base. It was maybe a quarter of a sector away.
I feel like at this point it had been almost 10 minutes or more since I hit your oil and now I just had to see if you could make it home so I turned around to follow. I can’t remember if I caught up to you or not or you crashed on the landing or something, but you still made it pretty close to that base and I’m guessing that plane still has some oil in it some freakin where!
I may not be remembering the ending exactly as it happened. It was at least a couple weeks ago, but it was fun to say the least and definitely worth a revisit if you filmed it. Too bad you can’t hear what I was saying about your oil! :old:
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190D has serious oil leak time. It was either last week or the week before you and I got tangled pretty high up in the air. I meant to post about this in here after, but didn’t get a chance because I’m assuming you were screaming into the microphone the same as I was lol
It was me and I think one other rook and then either two or three of your side one was a P51D. You were in a 190D and I can’t remember if I was also in one or the Ta152. I think it was the Ta. You probably can check a film. After a couple of merges, I landed a hit that opened a leak to your oil and we sort of broke apart after that. I remember the other countrymen in range asking me if I needed to worry about the 190 and I said no I got its oil. It should be done soon.
As we were both extending, I saw the the 51 trying to duck away on the deck and since you and I had enough distance and the oil had now been leaking for a minute or so, I figured I had plenty of time to dive down and mop up the 51 and move on to the airfield about half a sector away for whatever ever else might be up. But of course, as as my usual, I overshot the 51 putting whatever plane I was in to the edge of compression and as I was climbing up to come back around, I saw you coming back again from a didtance. I only saw you because of the leaking oil.
I was asked again on range if we needed to worry about the 190 and I was like no that thing’s been leaking forever. It shouldn’t be up much longer. I climbed up about 10,000 feet I think and you didn’t stop coming. You caught up to me lickety-split and I think we had one more merge possibly two at that point I just said well forget it. This thing’s gonna run out of juice soon. Let’s see it try and catch me.
Narrater: The 190D did not in fact run out of juice.
So I extended figuring there’s no way you’re gonna be able to keep up with a busted engine but you kept coming and I remember saying on range again when is this Fn thing gonna run out of oil!!!
You slowly were able to get close to me but never closer than 600 yards. You started taking shots at around 800 and up at 600 but you must’ve ran out of pew pews or you wanted to get home because you decided to turn around and head back to the base. It was maybe a quarter of a sector away.
I feel like at this point it had been almost 10 minutes or more since I hit your oil and now I just had to see if you could make it home so I turned around to follow. I can’t remember if I caught up to you or not or you crashed on the landing or something, but you still made it pretty close to that base and I’m guessing that plane still has some oil in it some freakin where!
I may not be remembering the ending exactly as it happened. It was at least a couple weeks ago, but it was fun to say the least and definitely worth a revisit if you filmed it. Too bad you can’t hear what I was saying about your oil! :old:
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HA! I remember, I think one fight you were in a D9, we had 2-3 fights the last cpl weeks. I could not get within 800, taking pot shots spurts, keep ya on your toes. The last 3 fights were very close and could have gone either way easily. You flew the D9 as if you weren't comfortable in it, but ya got away,...D9 vs D9, I couldn't go any faster than you. Unless lower fuel load.
2 nights ago, it was hard to get within 800 of you, it was a 190 you were in, not sure the model. again just pot-shot spurts to keep ya puckered and off balance. I've hit at 1000, probably doesn't do much. But I just couldn't get that kill shot until you pulled up. I got that mistake as others wait for mine.
I may not win all fights, but the opponent is going to work for it and have fun doing it. I'm not running anywhere. I've run a lot of ammo out of chasers. Even with 3-6 on my 6, eventually I'll loop back and take out the last in line, prolly HO.
Last 3 fights were fun,... as it should be.
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EDIT: I don't film as much as I should.
I missed one, getting 7 kills in 10 min, 5 with a wing missing....hysterical freak thing that won't happen again.