Football ... You and your hand egg tomfoolery :old:
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 22, 2025, 06:05:08 PM
I played high school football.
Once I stopped playing, and then watched the game deteriorate rapidly at the end of the eighties, I stopped watching entirely. I see it only when I am where others are watching. The show boating is ludicrous, especially when you watch the piss poor execution of the basics. That applies to both college and pro ball.
I played soccer as well, then coached. Before I even got to college, I found soccer fans to be the worst. As well as soccer parents. Of all the sports where "parents" think their kids will be stars, soccer is the worst.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: fudgums on September 22, 2025, 06:19:45 PM
Once I stopped playing, and then watched the game deteriorate rapidly at the end of the eighties, I stopped watching entirely. I see it only when I am where others are watching. The show boating is ludicrous, especially when you watch the piss poor execution of the basics. That applies to both college and pro ball.
Awful take.
Better in my day doesn't apply to football. These guys are freaks. Schematic levels are phenomenal.
80s players didn't see RPOs, good luck triggering in the run fit while they sling bang RPOs behind your head while the cement footed free safety is struggling to even understand what came his way.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 22, 2025, 06:54:27 PM
Better in my day doesn't apply to football. These guys are freaks. Schematic levels are phenomenal.
80s players didn't see RPOs, good luck triggering in the run fit while they sling bang RPOs behind your head while the cement footed free safety is struggling to even understand what came his way.
Where did Virgil discredit the athleticism of today's players or schemes. He only pointed out the disgusting amount of showmanship and poor fundamentals that you most definitely will find in today's game. I'll add that the wishbone offense, introduced in the late 60's, was the first RPO offense.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Brooke on September 22, 2025, 07:23:58 PM
I love college football.
I look forward to the season. Then it is gone in a flash, and I'm wishing for the season again.
My beloved Wolverines are doing OK. I'm sad that they lost to Oklahoma. But the Wolverines bounced back and looked much better in the win against Nebraska. I think they might keep improving and be a very good team this year.
I also like the Tennessee Volunteers. They looked like they were going to beat Georgia, but some unfortunate mistakes here and there cost them the game. They have ranked matchups ahead with Alabama, Oklahoma, and (weird to say this) Vanderbilt. Also Miss State might be pretty good.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 22, 2025, 09:10:19 PM
Better in my day doesn't apply to football. These guys are freaks. Schematic levels are phenomenal.
80s players didn't see RPOs, good luck triggering in the run fit while they sling bang RPOs behind your head while the cement footed free safety is struggling to even understand what came his way.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Yeah, okay.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: fudgums on September 23, 2025, 03:32:32 PM
Where did Virgil discredit the athleticism of today's players or schemes. He only pointed out the disgusting amount of showmanship and poor fundamentals that you most definitely will find in today's game. I'll add that the wishbone offense, introduced in the late 60's, was the first RPO offense.
Fundamentals from 70s/80s have been removed from the game in the mid 90s. Different game today than it was back then. Schematics in general are a cycle, but I don’t completely agree that triple = RPO. Cousins sure, but not the same but it’s all a cycle, ideas get reinvented to something new.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 23, 2025, 06:52:22 PM
Not sure where you get the idea that American football works without the fundamentals of tackling, blocking, pass coverage, and that sort of thing, but, hey, it's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 23, 2025, 07:38:29 PM
Fundamentals from 70s/80s have been removed from the game in the mid 90s. Different game today than it was back then. Schematics in general are a cycle, but I don’t completely agree that triple = RPO. Cousins sure, but not the same but it’s all a cycle, ideas get reinvented to something new.
How is it beneficial to the player, or schematicaly appealing to the defensive coordinator, for a player to lead off a tackle head lowered and with no intention of wrapping up?
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: fudgums on September 23, 2025, 09:27:11 PM
Fundamentals have changed, not been removed. Most fundamentals from the past do not work in today’s game.
QBs - drops changed - they are quicker/crisper, releases are quicker, throwing motions more refined. Kids are throwing better in younger ages, processing speed and football iq is greater
RB - more emphasis on complete backs, have to be able to run a route tree, higher emphasis on patience, setting up blocks, and being able to make proper cut. (Alex Gibbs run game didn’t get truly popularized til mid 90s)
WR - massive evolution from back in the day. They were in 3 point stances. The ability to create different releases, the stems in the routes, working off leverage points in coverages to get open. As a whole, massive evolution in the sport in WR techniques
OL - No flipper only blocking and heavy handed downhill blocking. Zone mechanics, gap schemes have changed on insert points technically, head placements on traps. Pass blocking mechanics are completely different. Have to be able to kick slide, vert set, jump set. This is a massive difference from the old days.
Defense - tackling has changed. You won’t see a high level coach teach head across. Too risky for concussions or shoulder injuries. You will see higher teachings of rugby tackles, gator tackles, and heart 2 heart profile tackles. To comment on the deal above when it comes to “ducking head”, never taught at high levels but in open field you are taught to run through the thigh boards of open field runners. Also to say that tackling is much safer today, and in the past they tackled with their head waaaaaay more than players today do.
DL - much less penetration, you play with your hands. Extension…length. You rarely see true vertical steps on 1st or 2nd down. NFL is slightly different because they are freaks. College is more controlled in that regard. Pete Jenkins is an 80s guy, and his theories are heavy in the game today.
LB - only a few teach down hill immediately, and that’s even evolved recently. Being able to freeze step, pop tops, and be able to cover is the difference. Have to be able to cover the pass.
CB - techniques never really changed, you can only pedal. T step or bicycle break so many ways. It’s harder today to play the position because of the rule changes. Have to be better technically to cover these receivers today. Can’t bully at the line and just grab and hold.
The game isn’t less technically sound. It’s just very different than the past. Comes down to blocking and tackling, but even those techniques have evolved and will continue to evolve.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Eagler on September 24, 2025, 07:33:05 AM
It will be flag football with large bubble helmets to save their brains before my grandkids are grandparents..
Eagler
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 24, 2025, 11:49:28 PM
Fundamentals have changed, not been removed. Most fundamentals from the past do not work in today’s game.
QBs - drops changed - they are quicker/crisper, releases are quicker, throwing motions more refined. Kids are throwing better in younger ages, processing speed and football iq is greater
RB - more emphasis on complete backs, have to be able to run a route tree, higher emphasis on patience, setting up blocks, and being able to make proper cut. (Alex Gibbs run game didn’t get truly popularized til mid 90s)
WR - massive evolution from back in the day. They were in 3 point stances. The ability to create different releases, the stems in the routes, working off leverage points in coverages to get open. As a whole, massive evolution in the sport in WR techniques
OL - No flipper only blocking and heavy handed downhill blocking. Zone mechanics, gap schemes have changed on insert points technically, head placements on traps. Pass blocking mechanics are completely different. Have to be able to kick slide, vert set, jump set. This is a massive difference from the old days.
Defense - tackling has changed. You won’t see a high level coach teach head across. Too risky for concussions or shoulder injuries. You will see higher teachings of rugby tackles, gator tackles, and heart 2 heart profile tackles. To comment on the deal above when it comes to “ducking head”, never taught at high levels but in open field you are taught to run through the thigh boards of open field runners. Also to say that tackling is much safer today, and in the past they tackled with their head waaaaaay more than players today do.
DL - much less penetration, you play with your hands. Extension…length. You rarely see true vertical steps on 1st or 2nd down. NFL is slightly different because they are freaks. College is more controlled in that regard. Pete Jenkins is an 80s guy, and his theories are heavy in the game today.
LB - only a few teach down hill immediately, and that’s even evolved recently. Being able to freeze step, pop tops, and be able to cover is the difference. Have to be able to cover the pass.
CB - techniques never really changed, you can only pedal. T step or bicycle break so many ways. It’s harder today to play the position because of the rule changes. Have to be better technically to cover these receivers today. Can’t bully at the line and just grab and hold.
The game isn’t less technically sound. It’s just very different than the past. Comes down to blocking and tackling, but even those techniques have evolved and will continue to evolve.
You're making this way more complicated than it is. Neck injury is neck injury. The tackling techniques used today, by mostly DB's, cannot be defended and are downright dangerous to the player who is lowering, then leading with his head to make a tackle.
Explain to me why the tackling technique used in this video is not still being taught in today's game?
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Eagler on September 25, 2025, 06:45:37 AM
Just wondering if the rules for rugby have been changed to make the sport less physical..
Eagler
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: shotgunneeley on September 26, 2025, 08:38:28 PM
Razorbacks sitting 2-2. Both losses came with us in position to make the game winning score, but literally “fumbled” the opportunity. Of course, there were other problems leading up to that point (mainly poor defense).
Remaining schedule currently includes 6/8 being ranked opponents, going to be a tall order to even be bowl eligible. Lot of talk about parting with our HC, not much spark or care seems to be coming from Fayetteville - fans are disgruntled with performance stagnating/declining since the 2021 season going 9-4.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: fudgums on September 26, 2025, 10:55:20 PM
You're making this way more complicated than it is. Neck injury is neck injury. The tackling techniques used today, by mostly DB's, cannot be defended and are downright dangerous to the player who is lowering, then leading with his head to make a tackle.
Explain to me why the tackling technique used in this video is not still being taught in today's game?
A profile heart to heart tackle shown above is exactly how 98% of teams teach it and is the preferred way by USA football organization.
You keep saying lowerin head but targeting has been in existence in recent times. It has made the game much safer than what was played in the 80s/90s. What you say is simply false.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Spikes on September 27, 2025, 01:25:57 PM
NIL and trade portal has definitely shaken things up....
Yeah, I feel like players should be compensated but to make tens of millions in college is bizarre. Unfortunately there's no going back now. It also encourages many of these people to seek as many years of eligibility as possible since if they make it into the NFL they wouldn't make nearly as much $ unless you're a first round pick.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 27, 2025, 02:22:10 PM
A profile heart to heart tackle shown above is exactly how 98% of teams teach it and is the preferred way by USA football organization.
You keep saying lowerin head but targeting has been in existence in recent times. It has made the game much safer than what was played in the 80s/90s. What you say is simply false.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Head down impact is a good way to break your neck, yet we see DBs throught college football and the NFL using this technique. It also doesn't allow the tackler to wrap up. That is all.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Banshee7 on September 28, 2025, 09:50:39 AM
Yeah, I feel like players should be compensated but to make tens of millions in college is bizarre. Unfortunately there's no going back now. It also encourages many of these people to seek as many years of eligibility as possible since if they make it into the NFL they wouldn't make nearly as much $ unless you're a first round pick.
Right. I'm all for paying players for their "likeness," ya know since that's literally what NIL is, but I am not for "paying" players just to play. Give them their fair cut from jersey sales, ads/commercials, etc... and move on.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 28, 2025, 10:57:46 PM
I was in favor of no payment for college players. Its college. You work your jazz off for nothing. Only in hopes that it will give you a better life. They should get the free scholarship which is already a huge privilege saving a hundred grand atleast. Like Spikes said its going to be awkward when they turn pro and dont get paid as much. That might affect their psyche in some way. Idk, we will see i guess.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 29, 2025, 11:08:09 PM
Right. I'm all for paying players for their "likeness," ya know since that's literally what NIL is, but I am not for "paying" players just to play. Give them their fair cut from jersey sales, ads/commercials, etc... and move on.
Exactly how it was sold to the fans. Didn't quite work out that way, though.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: RUSH1 on September 29, 2025, 11:20:24 PM
I was in favor of no payment for college players. Its college. You work your jazz off for nothing. Only in hopes that it will give you a better life. They should get the free scholarship which is already a huge privilege saving a hundred grand atleast. Like Spikes said its going to be awkward when they turn pro and dont get paid as much. That might affect their psyche in some way. Idk, we will see i guess.
A free degree from often times a well renowned institution, free healthcare from university hospitals and clinics, free room and board (steak, lobster, etc.), life changing notoriety and contacts, free on the job training and stipend money just wasn't reward enough for a 2.5 GPA ...
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: shotgunneeley on October 11, 2025, 10:57:28 PM
Should’a kicked for three. Could’a not let the balls drop. Would’a beat Tennessee, in their home of Rocky Top.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Shuffler on October 13, 2025, 01:17:10 PM
Should’a kicked for three. Could’a not let the balls drop. Would’a beat Tennessee, in their home of Rocky Top.
Yup.... A&M is moving along nicely so far.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2025, 12:03:32 AM
Ug. My beloved Wolverines got stomped by USC. Looked surprisingly bad on defense.
Welp.
On to next week. Best not to let last week's loss beat you 2 weeks in a row. Time to get up for Washington. :aok
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: shotgunneeley on October 25, 2025, 03:33:53 PM
(Arkansas O / Arkansas D) + 3 = the opponent’s winning score.
We didn’t lose by 3, but with all the field goals our defense held Auburn to - it still feels like it.
Another lost opportunity against a team simply better at “not losing” than us.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Shuffler on October 27, 2025, 12:05:28 PM
A&M handled LSU.... I was shocked to see so many LSU fans walk out.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: uptown on October 27, 2025, 12:18:28 PM
The coach of LSU just got his walking papers because of that loss to Texas A&M :D
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Brooke on October 27, 2025, 01:00:52 PM
So many teams fired head coaches this season. Lots of spots to fill this year.
LSU (Brian Kelly after hiring him from Notre Dame in 2022, $54M buyout) Penn State (James Franklin, playoffs last year, 10 years as HC, many good years, but bad this year, $50M buyout) Florida (Billy Napier, $20M buyout) Oklahoma State (Mike Gundy, 20 years as HC, many good years, but not recently, $15M buyout) Arkansas UCLA Stanford Oregon State Virginia Tech Colorado State UAB Kent State
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Spikes on October 27, 2025, 01:03:54 PM
(Arkansas O / Arkansas D) + 3 = the opponent’s winning score.
We didn’t lose by 3, but with all the field goals our defense held Auburn to - it still feels like it.
Another lost opportunity against a team simply better at “not losing” than us.
I picked Arkansas in a pick-em pool because they've played a lot of these ranked teams very close. Bummer to blow it vs. Auburn. But it's tough to win when they gifted Auburn 10 points in 2 drives.
Title: Re: CFB 2025
Post by: Shuffler on October 29, 2025, 03:29:18 PM
I picked Arkansas in a pick-em pool because they've played a lot of these ranked teams very close. Bummer to blow it vs. Auburn. But it's tough to win when they gifted Auburn 10 points in 2 drives.
I thought the hogs would take that one. They have played everyone tough. Mistakes made doomed their chances.