I hate drugs and what they are doing to people but I can't get passed the state executing people without arrest trail and a legitimate conviction.
No diff than Somali pirates... And I have no problem eliminating them either.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 06:34:36 PM
I'm not necessarily a huge fan. However, drug cartels are by definition terrorist organizations.
There's now a synthetic narcotic that is ten times more powerful than even fentanyl. Reports are that often 2-3 doses of narcan are not enough to counter it, even to get people to a hospital.
I have a very close friend who had a son-in-law who became addicted after an injury and the attending pain killers. A fix laced with fentanyl killed him two years ago.
Laws will never prevent addicts from doing drugs. However, if we can prosecute people severely for crimes using weapons and vehicles, I figure that anyone caught distributing anything laced with fentanyl or the new synthetic could be prosecuted for attempted homicide with a deadly weapon.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: uptown on October 18, 2025, 06:46:38 PM
I with Busher on this one.
It seems to me that getting some intelligence gathered from these drug runners would be important.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 18, 2025, 06:52:20 PM
It seems to me that getting some intelligence gathered from these drug runners would be important.
https://youtu.be/wskrQpj8L2Y
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: mechanic on October 18, 2025, 06:59:17 PM
The government doesn't care if millions die of overdose. They only care that someone who is not them is making loads of money and becoming more powerful with each shipment.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: uptown on October 18, 2025, 08:21:48 PM
What if 1 of those boats in the future are full of Americans? That opens up a whole new can of worms. I don't know...it's just a slippery slope for me. If they can be captured alive that's what should happen imo. What if the cartels forced these guys on the boats against their will? I just think this is common sense to look at all possibles before killing for the sake of killing. If anything, I believe, that Trump is doing this to send a message to Manduro....trying to provoke him into attacking our boats out there.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 19, 2025, 06:49:54 AM
Killing is wrong period but you have to kill some to protect others...
I'd bet they know exactly who are in the boats or Morgan and Morgan would have a commercial about it..
I think bad guys are getting instant karma..hoping it makes a difference for some ..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 07:19:31 AM
They're doing full surveillance. They know who and what is in the boats before the boat ever leaves.
It's pretty much a declaration of the cartels as narco terrorists and taking them out in open waters.
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with it. I also admit that I don't necessarily have a better plan.
Does it possibly provoke the "politicians" in those countries, who are pretty much owned by the cartels? Probably. I don't necessarily buy that provoking them is the purpose.
Be honest with yourself and admit that the cartels are violent, and are not only importing drugs into the country, but are also invading the country in gangs and setting up distribution networks. They gladly kill anyone getting in their way.
Yeah, ending the demand would be a kinder, gentler solution.
Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with it. But I don't have a better, effective solution. I haven't seen anyone else with one, either.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 19, 2025, 07:34:32 AM
Think it's a step in a better direction than this policy was...
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 07:58:44 AM
Well, society/culture has devolved to the point where even if the trend were reversed, it would take decades to substantially reduce the demand.
I understand that there is demand here. However, I see the act of importing illicit drugs, especially the fentanyl and other synthetics, and setting up violent networks of distribution, by foreign cartels and gangs, as a violent invasion of the nation.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: sparky127 on October 19, 2025, 09:06:09 AM
.gov does not tolerate competition.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 19, 2025, 09:14:57 AM
If you’re fighting drugs, why are we hitting the weakest country in it? Why are they not in Mexico and Columbia? Why are we hitting the little guy instead of the manufactures of it?
IMO, Because they are probably scared of the real cartels. Little boys with plastic army men.
This is all show and we have zero evidence they actually had drugs. Most don’t fill a boat with people it usually 2 guys actually running it.
Its like going after Canada with tariffs as a big drug source when they only do .1% - .3%, its not even 1%. Real reason? They don’t like the idiot. Americans make more than Canada sends over.
It probably cost $500k-$1m for each boat with no proof.
Basically it looks more like murder for a stage show, propaganda snuff films.
The Navy picked up two wounded and alive out of the water, so there is someone who can verify what they were doing.
This about not liking the new leaders and this is harassment and propaganda thats failing. Same thing as tariffs on Brazil because his guy didn’t win in a coup.
Not buyng it.
When Fox News runs your country.
Now ANNOUNCING (superior idiocy) to send CIA in. How stupid can one possibly get, now they have a welcoming party waiting for them. I cannot compute this stupidity
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 19, 2025, 09:18:05 AM
Peanut gallery trying to close the thread again
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 19, 2025, 09:21:56 AM
Your discussion in a nutshell...need to scribble on any gun shells today?
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 09:57:04 AM
The level of anger, hatred, and bitterness is really astounding. People need to learn to stop inviting the government into their lives, then who is in office won't affect them so intensely. And they need to learn to walk away from discussions they can't control their anger because of.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 19, 2025, 11:00:28 AM
7 MILLION SHOWED UP AGAINST THIS PUNK
ZERO VIOLENCE
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 11:08:44 AM
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 19, 2025, 11:55:58 AM
Back in the 1970s. there was a program run by the black ops community to target drug dealers with lethal prejudice. Hundreds were killed in the streets of America. All disguised as gang warfare.
Lesson: For every person killed, there were 10 more fighting to take that place.
Drugs are a multi-billion-dollar industry worldwide. Dozens of countries are part of the epidemic.
Solution: Develop a method or methods of eliminating the addictions from the brain. Demand will drop.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: uptown on October 19, 2025, 12:15:30 PM
Venezuela has lots of oil unlike Mexico or Costa Rica etc.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 19, 2025, 01:52:57 PM
"We all don't live in the drug smuggling yellow submarine, yellow submarine..."
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 02:06:24 PM
Back in the 1970s. there was a program run by the black ops community to target drug dealers with lethal prejudice. Hundreds were killed in the streets of America. All disguised as gang warfare.
Lesson: For every person killed, there were 10 more fighting to take that place.
Drugs are a multi-billion-dollar industry worldwide. Dozens of countries are part of the epidemic.
Solution: Develop a method or methods of eliminating the addictions from the brain. Demand will drop.
And exactly how is it you plan to modify human brains? Also, what other behaviors and attitudes do you intend to modify? What about side effects?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 19, 2025, 02:10:42 PM
Maduro is the gang leader for Tren de Agua. One of the most powerful gangs in the world, after they took over the Venezuelean election and ruined that country using the same propaganda pushed by leftest organizations. After they took all of the oil, they bought SmartMatic election machines. SmartMatic then became Dominion. Do you see and understand how powerful they became? Maduro gang had direct access to the election software. This is why Trump is adamant about going after Maduro. There is a reason the woman who won the Noble Peace Prize accredited Trump with helping her fight this gang.
These people are evil, and they enjoy drugging our children and watching them suffer and if not dead, then rotting in prison. Stopping the supply is the #1 way to stop the dangerous unregulated drug industry. Ive watched so many families suffer. I've seen what herion and meth have done to societies and families in Portland and Atlanta. I have no remorse for these gangsters trying to take advantage and hurt our people.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 02:16:22 PM
If you’re fighting drugs, why are we hitting the weakest country in it? Why are they not in Mexico and Columbia? Why are we hitting the little guy instead of the manufactures of it?
IMO, Because they are probably scared of the real cartels. Little boys with plastic army men.
This is all show and we have zero evidence they actually had drugs. Most don’t fill a boat with people it usually 2 guys actually running it.
Its like going after Canada with tariffs as a big drug source when they only do .1% - .3%, its not even 1%. Real reason? They don’t like the idiot. Americans make more than Canada sends over.
It probably cost $500k-$1m for each boat with no proof.
Basically it looks more like murder for a stage show, propaganda snuff films.
The Navy picked up two wounded and alive out of the water, so there is someone who can verify what they were doing.
This about not liking the new leaders and this is harassment and propaganda thats failing. Same thing as tariffs on Brazil because his guy didn’t win in a coup.
Not buyng it.
When Fox News runs your country.
Now ANNOUNCING (superior idiocy) to send CIA in. How stupid can one possibly get, now they have a welcoming party waiting for them. I cannot compute this stupidity
just go with the opposite of whatever you assert for the correct view.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: JimmyD3 on October 19, 2025, 02:34:56 PM
If you’re fighting drugs, why are we hitting the weakest country in it? Why are they not in Mexico and Columbia? Why are we hitting the little guy instead of the manufactures of it?
IMO, Because they are probably scared of the real cartels. Little boys with plastic army men.
This is all show and we have zero evidence they actually had drugs. Most don’t fill a boat with people it usually 2 guys actually running it.
Its like going after Canada with tariffs as a big drug source when they only do .1% - .3%, its not even 1%. Real reason? They don’t like the idiot. Americans make more than Canada sends over.
It probably cost $500k-$1m for each boat with no proof.
Basically it looks more like murder for a stage show, propaganda snuff films.
The Navy picked up two wounded and alive out of the water, so there is someone who can verify what they were doing.
This about not liking the new leaders and this is harassment and propaganda thats failing. Same thing as tariffs on Brazil because his guy didn’t win in a coup.
Not buyng it.
When Fox News runs your country.
Now ANNOUNCING (superior idiocy) to send CIA in. How stupid can one possibly get, now they have a welcoming party waiting for them. I cannot compute this stupidity
What was done in the past has been an unmitigated failure, time to up the game. :police:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 19, 2025, 03:01:41 PM
I'm all for dealing harshly with the cartels, narco terrorists, etc. Honestly, the U.S. is pretty tame with regards to drug smuggling compared to many nations. And I'm not sure that's really a good thing.
I'm not a fan of "regime change", as far as it goes. The results are rarely, if ever, satisfactory.
Sadly, we've allowed our justice system and our prison system to become horrifically dysfunctional and corrupt.
And if you look carefully at the entirety of the situation, it's rare that you find "decriminalization" has been a real improvement.
Again, the real problem is how far culture and society have fallen as a whole.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 19, 2025, 03:41:57 PM
So, there current policy is to produce domestic oil and sell it. So what does Venezualan oil do to further that?
It keeps Venezuela from selling it to China and Russia. Get Manduro out and our puppet in, insures the US controls all the major oil reserves in the southern hemisphere. In a time of global unrest, it's sound policy.....think Monroe Doctrine. All this drug stuff is smoke and mirrors. The real goal is the oil.
Russia and China's support is about the oil and not the drugs. The cartels are the perfect excuse to get our foot in the door. It's a brilliant plan really. :salute
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 19, 2025, 05:56:22 PM
Wouldn't be the 1st time...
Seems to have worked out well in Ukraine..
Uptown is correct, it's about all of it including keeping the US dollar $$ relevant..the next QE should be a soon..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 19, 2025, 07:31:14 PM
If we have declared them enemies of the ppl, everything is on the table..
Should have done this years ago way b4 the illegal drug trade became so bad...
I would have started by napalming the coca fields and the jungle processing labs...
Makes one think they never really wanted to win the "war on drugs"..
Eagler
That’s not how laws work… or how the laws of war work unless you’re a Neanderthal. Look its current application and apply your same logic to other things less peril… or so perceived or not.
Follow?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: FLOOB on October 19, 2025, 07:58:03 PM
Meanwhile the over-the-counter opioid Kratom is a billion dollar business in America and the population of opioid dependent Americans is ballooning.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Widewing on October 19, 2025, 09:34:08 PM
I have two devices on the Hellfire II. One is in the ESAF system, the other is an impact sensor in the fuze that triggers the explosive train (warhead goes boom). I designed both about 14 years ago. Obviously, these function as advertised. Likewise for SDB II, JASM, JDAM, and just about everything else in the inventory.
As to clobbering the drug boats? Terrorists don't get trials. They have no Constitutional rights to recognize. Even if captured, they would end up in GTMO's Camp Echo.
What amazes me is that the Cartel can still find suckers to run the boats. With long range drones and satellite coverage, nothing trying to sneak out of Venezuela waters goes unseen.
Clearly, this violent interdiction serves another purpose. Apart from denying the Cartels their income, it puts massive pressure on the regime. If that pressure from the Cartels induces Maduro to order military action, his Air Force will evaporate in a few hours. His air defense system will be crushed. His Navy will be demolished, even if they never leave port. With no ability to project military power, his own military will become his greatest threat.
Trump is not shy to employ some Theodore Roosevelt gunboat diplomacy and enforce the Monroe Doctrine.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 19, 2025, 10:06:50 PM
Hitting boats is the very tip of the iceberg. The majority of drugs enter overland and are tunneled under the border. Air shipments still make a large percentage.
The real issue is why publicly destroy boats? The corrupt officials make deals with the cartels to allow large amounts of drugs to enter at the expense of publicly captured shipments to make the citizens think the war on drugs is winning.
It's a distraction.
You get Congress to declare war on drug cartels worldwide, then real progress can be made. They become military targets like the terrorists. Spec Ops and support destroy the cartels, and translation teams cover the areas with "America will destroy you, making drugs and shipping drugs."
Either hands off or go full on.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 20, 2025, 12:26:14 AM
Maduro is the gang leader for Tren de Agua. One of the most powerful gangs in the world, after they took over the Venezuelean election and ruined that country using the same propaganda pushed by leftest organizations. After they took all of the oil, they bought SmartMatic election machines. SmartMatic then became Dominion. Do you see and understand how powerful they became? Maduro gang had direct access to the election software. This is why Trump is adamant about going after Maduro. There is a reason the woman who won the Noble Peace Prize accredited Trump with helping her fight this gang.
These people are evil, and they enjoy drugging our children and watching them suffer and if not dead, then rotting in prison. Stopping the supply is the #1 way to stop the dangerous unregulated drug industry. Ive watched so many families suffer. I've seen what herion and meth have done to societies and families in Portland and Atlanta. I have no remorse for these gangsters trying to take advantage and hurt our people.
Requoting since many missed my comment and still don't understand...
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 20, 2025, 07:22:33 AM
It's a BRIC push back, a message to more than the drug runners...
Military backing the $ as not much else does these days..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 20, 2025, 09:25:20 AM
Whatever we've been doing hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: uptown on October 20, 2025, 03:07:20 PM
I'd like to see the data on how many pot farms that sell to these Dispensaries around here are Chinese owned. Drugs are all good if the government can make money off of it.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 20, 2025, 09:57:21 PM
I'd like to see the data on how many pot farms that sell to these Dispensaries around here are Chinese owned. Drugs are all good if the government can make money off of it.
Not sure, but an AI search resulted in this.
Scope of operations Illegal cannabis operations run by Chinese organized crime have been identified in dozens of states across the country, particularly in rural areas with cheap land. Widespread presence: Reports from law enforcement and investigative journalists confirm that these illicit grows have been found from California and Oregon to Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Maine. Operating in legal states: Criminal groups exploit states with legal cannabis industries by creating illicit "black market" operations that bypass regulations. They have also established farms in states where marijuana remains illegal. Funding and personnel: The farms are often funded by Chinese investors and staffed with undocumented Chinese immigrants who are victims of human trafficking. Some operations involve collaboration with Mexican cartels. Criminal activities and impact In addition to growing and distributing marijuana, these illicit operations are associated with a variety of other criminal enterprises. Human trafficking and forced labor Workers, often vulnerable Chinese immigrants, are lured to the U.S. with false promises of legitimate work. Once at the grow sites, their passports are confiscated, and they are forced to work long hours under deplorable conditions. The workers are frequently denied proper food, water, and wages. Environmental damage Illegal growers often divert scarce water supplies, harming local fish and other wildlife. Sites use toxic, banned pesticides and fertilizers from China, which contaminate soil, water, and air. The chemicals pose immediate health risks to law enforcement, and contamination can linger for years after a site is dismantled. Money laundering and financial crimes Illegal proceeds are laundered through various methods, including the Chinese underground banking system. Criminals often purchase real estate for their grow houses using cash, sometimes with fake paperwork or "straw owners" to disguise their identities. Law enforcement response and concerns Federal, state, and local authorities are struggling to combat the proliferation of these sophisticated criminal networks, which often overwhelm local law enforcement. Investigation challenges Investigations are complicated by language barriers and the use of encrypted communication apps like WeChat. The networks are adept at adapting their tactics and relocating to new areas after being exposed. National security threats Members of Congress have raised concerns that these illicit operations pose a national security threat, especially when located near military bases. Some officials believe the criminal networks may be linked to or supported by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The criminal networks are involved in a broader range of illicit activities, including drug trafficking and weapons smuggling, which pose significant public safety risks.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Tumor on October 20, 2025, 11:08:32 PM
Interesting nugget I learned the other day. When I moved back to the area 15yrs ago, Meth was all over the place. 2nd house up the road about 1/2 mile was basically the local source. They had a drop-spot right in front of my driveway (other side of the highway) until my crazy wife started going out and "picking up the trash" every time one of their vehicles stopped briefly (armed of course, and they knew it). I found a drop behind the house down in the woodline along the fence (path from their place past mine up to the highway, they always squirted through there when the Po-po drove up to their place). Still hear them going back and forth between here and "the other place" everyone in the county knows as a hub (bunch of dilapidated shacks way back in the woods). That said, it's become a lot less noticeable, both the movement and the tweakers running around. I thought it was because John Law had made progress.
Nope.
Our local Sheriff and I go back back to the 80s. Not an old-buddy thing but we coon hunted together some in our teens. Ran into him the other day and I mentioned how things seemed to have settled down, and that it seemed to me there wasn't near as much cooking going as they (cops) used to raid the place up the road fairly regular. He replies "..because they're not." Me: "Not what?" Sheriff "Cooking". I'm sure I looked confused He said the drugs were as bad or worse than ever, but they hadn't busted a meth cooking operation in years, anywhere in the County. Apparently, the Cartels made it known some time ago that there would be no cooking going on in our area. Running, sure, fine, great. Cooking and you'd earn yourself a visit from folks who you'd never know were ever there or anything else, ever, when they came.
It may seem counter to the argument, but that toejam pisses me off more than old Cletus up the road cooking the crap. F the Cartels.... blow'em outta the water, no warnings. Every time. :old:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 09:49:04 AM
Don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
No one is against blowing cartels into mist
Its proving that they are actually cartels before you do it.
Its not rocket science, for most, some struggle with common logic
I’ll shoot your dog and decide if it bit me later
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Lazerr on October 21, 2025, 10:54:52 AM
Im sure they are using the US military without hard confirmed intelligence on who they are hitting.... right. They probably know the blood type and their daily routines of the last 6 months.
You're right though.. maybe we should set a court date and wait for them to show up while billions of dollars of drugs are shipped around the world..
Violent drug distribution rings really do deserve their day in court... :rofl
:headscratch: :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 21, 2025, 11:54:44 AM
It's the same mindset that thinks releasing millions of illegal immigrants into the country with their promises to appear in court actually works..
As many stated here there's more to these strikes than saving our street zombies, it's to put our South American friends on notice that a new sherrif is in town...
Sadly the bad guys just have to wait out our 2 and 4 year cycles as our policy will change with that wind change..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: JimmyD3 on October 21, 2025, 12:16:13 PM
Its proving that they are actually cartels before you do it.
Its not rocket science, for most, some struggle with common logic
I’ll shoot your dog and decide if it bit me later
Animl, I love you Brother, but I gotta tell ya, your blue slip is showing. :devil
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 12:19:06 PM
HA! Comical
Laws and rules only apply to others. Free speech only belongs to me Proven liars only tell the truth A felon is all about law and order Hate anyone unlike me Life is all about me Lies are funny when everyone knows you are doing it. I will misinform everyone I can, its funny Every conspiracy is true. I love being hated I can’t stay on subject if my life depended on it
Got it Such rational charming lil chaps Yep, the human brain is devolving
Thats not what I said. Learn cognitive communication most learned in kindergarten
<chomps popcorn> Please,…continue <snork!>
BTW, the boogey man is under your bed, quietly panting, patiently waiting for your return.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Busher on October 21, 2025, 12:19:33 PM
Violent drug distribution rings really do deserve their day in court... :rofl
:headscratch: :rofl :rofl :rofl
Good to start on "drug distribution rings". After that issue is solved, there are lots of other "nasties" that should be denied due process so someone should get to work on that.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Lazerr on October 21, 2025, 12:22:07 PM
Good to start on "drug distribution rings". After that issue is solved, there are lots of other "nasties" that should be denied due process so someone should get to work on that.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 12:24:39 PM
Good to start on "drug distribution rings". After that issue is solved, there are lots of other "nasties" that should be denied due process so someone should get to work on that.
Good to start on "drug distribution rings". After that issue is solved, there are lots of other "nasties" that should be denied due process so someone should get to work on that.
Iran could elaborate on that
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 12:41:55 PM
Do you have proof that we're not 100% sure what and who is on these boats. You realize the CIA is on the ground in Venezuela, right?
The people responsible for these drug ring strikes are people he doesn't like. They could cure cancer, fix all environmental issues in the world, eliminate all homelessness, and bring our education system to the top of the world ranks...
And he would still post the same stuff. Probably line up with some of his buddies and try to block a major US interstate again for deporting violent illegal aliens. If you are looking for facts, try somewhere else.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 12:47:13 PM
The people responsible for these drug ring strikes are people he doesn't like. They could cure cancer, fix all environmental issues in the world, eliminate all homelessness, and bring our education system to the top of the world ranks...
And he would still post the same stuff. If you are looking for facts, try somewhere else.
:aok
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 12:59:01 PM
Maybe the dingo ate yor bahby
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 01:06:04 PM
We’re using green lasers on Mars to change your tv channels,…we laughed and laughed…
I need donations for AA batteries
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 21, 2025, 01:10:18 PM
The rule of law is paramount no matter what, no matter when, no matter where, no matter why, no matter how.
Thats it. Plain and simple.
I will just keep posting it until this silliness gets locked.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Lazerr on October 21, 2025, 01:11:37 PM
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 01:37:12 PM
common ground has been achieved!
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 01:49:11 PM
Heavenly voices resonate where song bird chirps echo through the forest of happy spirits.
May we all bow our heads, for the mythical skunk has risen. <cough, gag, cough>
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 21, 2025, 02:07:15 PM
Nothing else we've done has ever affected illegal drug use in this country. We don't have the resolve to severely punish offenders here including execution like other countries have done.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: 1Cane on October 21, 2025, 03:02:41 PM
You should tell that to the bad guys breaking it..
Exactly the point! That’s why it’s called the law and not the suggestion. If they are breaking it as you say, then, they clearly know they are violating something that is recognized as a binding principal.
Law matters most when someone chooses to break it. This is the one case where you hate the player instead of the game.
I am more than delighted to keep explaining how The Constitution works if needed.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 21, 2025, 03:31:56 PM
Exactly the point! That’s why it’s called the law and not the suggestion. If they are breaking it as you say, then, they clearly know they are violating something that is recognized as a binding principal.
Law matters most when someone chooses to break it. This is the one case where you hate the player instead of the game.
I am more than delighted to keep explaining how The Constitution works if needed.
Tren De Agua was labeled a terrorist organization and network. They are fair game. Its similar in war as restrictions on combat tactics are lessened. So for example, if they are sending drug boats, thats an act of terrorism and is allowed by our government to take all necessary force to protect the population.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2025, 04:33:15 PM
Its almost like they are in favor of protecting the drug dealers and runners from harm.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Busher on October 21, 2025, 05:04:22 PM
Tren De Agua was labeled a terrorist organization and network. They are fair game. Its similar in war as restrictions on combat tactics are lessened. So for example, if they are sending drug boats, thats an act of terrorism and is allowed by our government to take all necessary force to protect the population.
If we're at war will my bone spurs keep me out of combat?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 21, 2025, 05:17:57 PM
Other countries have been at war with us for some time now. We're ignoring that less these days.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 05:42:59 PM
Other countries have been at war with us for some time now. We're ignoring that less these days.
This. China, and their influence on Latin America is missed/ignored by many. So is Maria Corina Machado. We're trying to kill two birds with one stone, folks. Get Maria in there and things change drastically for the better, not only for the Venezuelan citizens, but also for the US.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 05:46:37 PM
Tren De Agua was labeled a terrorist organization and network. They are fair game. Its similar in war as restrictions on combat tactics are lessened. So for example, if they are sending drug boats, thats an act of terrorism and is allowed by our government to take all necessary force to protect the population.
Everyone who fought Revolution, WWIi and WWI are Antifa. Our flag is antifa, the allies planes are antifa. The Tea Party where they dumped the tea in the ocean - antifa. They are labeled terrorist now by this admin.
You know the “suckers and losers”
Does everyone they CLAIM to be Antifa get their boats cars and homes bombed without any proof? And you killing one will not be prosecuted?
If one is against Anti-Fascism then they are for fascism Yet here we are
Hail killing indiscriminately!!
I want tickets to the live snuff production Those are a blast More outdoor rallies!!!
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 21, 2025, 06:08:21 PM
The rule of law matters no matter what. Story over the end. Yeah I am sure they’re probably bad people. That’s why we have courts.
How about you all stop making Animl and I agree with each other on stuff. I’m going to paraphrase what he said earlier…
I think your dog is biting me. I’m pretty sure of it. Other dogs have bit me in the past and I know other dogs have bit other people. Some dogs are good. Some dogs are bad. I shot your dog. It’s dead. It’s time we declared war on dogs. I will let you know if your dog bit me.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 06:08:27 PM
Everyone who fought Revolution, WWIi and WWI are Antifa. Our flag is antifa, the allies planes are antifa. The Tea Party where they dumped the tea in the ocean - antifa. They are labeled terrorist now by this admin.
You know the “suckers and losers”
Does everyone they CLAIM to be Antifa get their boats cars and homes bombed without any proof? And you killing one will not be prosecuted?
If one is against Anti-Fascism then they are for fascism Yet here we are
Hail killing indiscriminately!!
I want tickets to the live snuff production Those are a blast More outdoor rallies!!!
I agree. Such a peaceful group of misfits, I mean people, who are totally open to debate about how we can make our capitalist Republic even better. It is also true that they are NOT an organization, but are a grassroots movement, therefore, have NEVER received funding from dark money NGOs.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 21, 2025, 06:09:30 PM
No matter what.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 06:30:23 PM
January 6
1939
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 21, 2025, 06:40:03 PM
It was 80K last year, the third year in a row with a 20% or higher decrease from the year before. It’s not because we were blowing them up.
More are using, less are dying ..not from less abuse but from better OD meds.. Narcan and the like...
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2025, 06:51:52 PM
They had to give a grade school girl narcan to bring her back because she found the fentanyl the moms live in scumbag boyfriend had laying around. Believe dcfs took the girl away.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 06:52:00 PM
Everyone who fought Revolution, WWIi and WWI are Antifa. Our flag is antifa, the allies planes are antifa. The Tea Party where they dumped the tea in the ocean - antifa. They are labeled terrorist now by this admin.
You know the “suckers and losers”
Does everyone they CLAIM to be Antifa get their boats cars and homes bombed without any proof? And you killing one will not be prosecuted?
If one is against Anti-Fascism then they are for fascism Yet here we are
Hail killing indiscriminately!!
I want tickets to the live snuff production Those are a blast More outdoor rallies!!!
Antifa was formed in post WWI Germany. They were/are the German communist version of the NAZI brown shirts.
Hitler was right-wing fascist who hated the leftest labor party and also claimed to be christian.
England was right-wing fascist we pummeled to get this land hands free
1939
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:07:46 PM
Antifa traces its origins to Germany in the early 1930s, specifically to the Antifaschistische Aktion, a militant anti-fascist organization founded by the German Communist Party in 1932 to oppose the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Antifa
enjoy your crow.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:09:22 PM
Reading is fundamental...
NAZI =National Socialist German Workers' Party
second helping of crow
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 07:16:19 PM
Antifa traces its origins to Germany in the early 1930s, specifically to the Antifaschistische Aktion, a militant anti-fascist organization founded by the German Communist Party in 1932 to oppose the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Antifa
enjoy your crow.
OK but you explain yourself in that way,....and my point. Hitler was nazi fascist. Brown shirts were pro Hitler, like our ICE is used now. Mussolini invented fascism. Hung upside down and the people beat his body to shreds for it. They both got what they deserved. And IMO any fascist deserves the likes.
Your current party policies are fascism by definition.
Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 07:22:37 PM
Christian claims? Lets really get it locked with this one.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ESV But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Proverbs 19:5 ESV A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
Matthew 7:1-5 ESV / 5,488 helpful votes “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
James 2:1-5: "My brothers and sisters, if someone who is wearing fine clothes comes into your assembly, and a poor person in shabby clothes also comes in, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say, 'You sit here in a good seat,' and you say to the poor person, 'You stand there,' or 'Sit on the ground,' will you not discriminate among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: God chose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom he promised to those who love him. But you have disgraced the poor person."
Proverbs 19:17 ESV Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
James 5:1-6 ESV Warning to the Rich 5 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. 2 Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. 4 Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the righteous person. He does not resist you.
Ezekiel 25:17 "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:25:12 PM
OK but you explain yourself in that way,....and my point. Hitler was nazi fascist. Brown shirts were pro Hitler, like our ICE is used now. Mussolini invented fascism. Hung upside down and the people beat his body to shreds for it. They both got what they deserved. And IMO any fascist deserves the likes.
Your current party policies are fascism by definition.
Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
LOL look up soviet union and get back to me lmao
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:27:50 PM
OK but you explain yourself in that way,....and my point. Hitler was nazi fascist. Brown shirts were pro Hitler, like our ICE is used now. Mussolini invented fascism. Hung upside down and the people beat his body to shreds for it. They both got what they deserved. And IMO any fascist deserves the likes.
Your current party policies are fascism by definition.
Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
What is bold, italic, and underlined is YOUR OPINION, from your perspective. And EVERY claim you make can absolutely be stated about the democrats from 2021 to 2024.
Fascism is by definition LEFTIST, because conservatives eschew government control of rights, liberties, and industry.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:30:59 PM
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2025, 07:32:50 PM
In that case, fascism was used by the people in power to shut down the country because of covid, force the experimental vaccine on its citizens, and try to jail anyone who refused the mandatory mandates.
Pot, meet kettle
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:33:51 PM
your inability to read a link laying out history for you is more amusing. Antifa is commie brownshirts and learning that would cause you so much cognitive dissonance your head would explode... which is why you refuse to educate yourself
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2025, 07:36:08 PM
In that case, fascism was used by the people in power to shut down the country because of covid, force the experimental vaccine on its citizens, and try to jail anyone who refused the mandatory mandates.
Pot, meet kettle
Basically, our homegrown Marxists chose a theme word for its versatility.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:37:43 PM
Basically, our homegrown Marxists chose a word for its versatility.
If you do a deep dive on "antifa" here, you'll find them to be 100% anarchist/communist, and 100% anti conservative and capitalist. There's nothing at all "anti fascist" about "antifa".
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:41:17 PM
Germany’s original Antifa—called Antifaschistische Aktion—was founded in 1932 by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) during the final years of the Weimar Republic.
🕰️ Founding Context Date: May 1932
Founder: KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands)
Purpose: To combat the rising threat of Nazism and fascism, especially the paramilitary Sturmabteilung (SA) or “Brownshirts”
Ideology: Marxist-Leninist, loyal to the Soviet Comintern under Ernst Thälmann’s leadership
Opposition: Not just Nazis, but also Social Democrats (SPD), whom the KPD labeled “social fascists” at the time
🔍 Key Features Militant street activism: Clashes with Nazi and SPD paramilitary groups
Propaganda and symbolism: Red-and-black flags, slogans, and posters
Legacy: Inspired postwar anti-fascist groups in both East and West Germany, and later the decentralized Antifa movements seen today
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:41:40 PM
Basically, our homegrown Marxists chose a theme word for its versatility.
Well, again, realize leftists, anarchists, communists, etc., follow the Alinsky strategy of accusing their opponents of the evil they themselves commit.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 07:42:20 PM
If you do a deep dive on "antifa" here, you'll find them to be 100% anarchist/communist, and 100% anti conservative and capitalist. There's nothing at all "anti fascist" about "antifa".
Exactly why I never got a response to my sarcastic response earlier.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:45:25 PM
Germany’s original Antifa—called Antifaschistische Aktion—was founded in 1932 by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) during the final years of the Weimar Republic.
🕰️ Founding Context Date: May 1932
Founder: KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands)
Purpose: To combat the rising threat of Nazism and fascism, especially the paramilitary Sturmabteilung (SA) or “Brownshirts”
Ideology: Marxist-Leninist, loyal to the Soviet Comintern under Ernst Thälmann’s leadership
Opposition: Not just Nazis, but also Social Democrats (SPD), whom the KPD labeled “social fascists” at the time
🔍 Key Features Militant street activism: Clashes with Nazi and SPD paramilitary groups
Propaganda and symbolism: Red-and-black flags, slogans, and posters
Legacy: Inspired postwar anti-fascist groups in both East and West Germany, and later the decentralized Antifa movements seen today
And they conveniently declare conservatives, libertarians, small government capitalists, etc., "fascist", in order to justify their actions. They actually hate REAL fascists, because REAL fascists are not far enough left to suit communists and anarchists.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 07:45:41 PM
Germany’s original Antifa—called Antifaschistische Aktion—was founded in 1932 by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) during the final years of the Weimar Republic.
🕰️ Founding Context Date: May 1932
Founder: KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands)
Purpose: To combat the rising threat of Nazism and fascism, especially the paramilitary Sturmabteilung (SA) or “Brownshirts”
Ideology: Marxist-Leninist, loyal to the Soviet Comintern under Ernst Thälmann’s leadership
Opposition: Not just Nazis, but also Social Democrats (SPD), whom the KPD labeled “social fascists” at the time
🔍 Key Features Militant street activism: Clashes with Nazi and SPD paramilitary groups
Propaganda and symbolism: Red-and-black flags, slogans, and posters
Legacy: Inspired postwar anti-fascist groups in both East and West Germany, and later the decentralized Antifa movements seen today
Is this the definition of, contradiction, straight from Webster?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 21, 2025, 07:50:09 PM
The rule of law matters no matter what. Story over the end. Yeah I am sure they’re probably bad people. That’s why we have courts.
How about you all stop making Animl and I agree with each other on stuff. I’m going to paraphrase what he said earlier…
I think your dog is biting me. I’m pretty sure of it. Other dogs have bit me in the past and I know other dogs have bit other people. Some dogs are good. Some dogs are bad. I shot your dog. It’s dead. It’s time we declared war on dogs. I will let you know if your dog bit me.
No
Matter
What
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 07:52:16 PM
…and you get to do so only because we have a country and society built on the rule of law. Otherwise if this were somewhere like I don’t know, let’s say maybe China, this bbs ended decades ago.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 21, 2025, 08:57:03 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by that. You know of course it is not lawful for a citizen to aim a rifle at another citizen and kill them. Unless self defense is at issue. War has different rules/laws. You kill the enemy whether they are an immediate threat to you personally or not. Agreed?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 09:01:13 PM
…and you get to do so only because we have a country and society built on the rule of law. Otherwise if this were somewhere like I don’t know, let’s say maybe China, this bbs ended decades ago.
If I had a nickel for every time I've used the word, irony, or projection on this board ...
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 21, 2025, 09:12:50 PM
…and you get to do so only because we have a country and society built on the rule of law. Otherwise if this were somewhere like I don’t know, let’s say maybe China, this bbs ended decades ago.
It's pronounced CHYnna.
They are already deciding to police social media and bring charges against anyone who calls the emperor names. <snork!> They also want Social Media and Social Security data,.. to you know,... just toy with,
nothing at all like 1939 <g>
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 21, 2025, 09:19:55 PM
The biggest lie they ever told and I still cannot even believe people sadly fall for it, its that they actually believe Hitler was a an American conservative Christian.
It's unconscionable.
And they avoid Stalin and Mao and Hirohito like the plague because it exposes all of the flaws in their compelte and utter BS trying to label america conservatives evil because we love the founding principles of America and the heritage of our fore fathers and what Americans built and achieved.
I watched Antifa tear down a Goerge Washington statue 2 miles from my house in Portland. Screw those azholes, Who then try to tell me they support the constitution. Screw off.
We aren't Nazis or fascist, we are American conservatives who believe in the founding principles of America and capitalistic ownership for AMERICANS. And we are tired and FED UP of the democrats fn BS. It has nothing to totalitarian or anything like that. You had Joe, and what an embarrassment that was. Now get over selves..
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 09:25:18 PM
The biggest lie they ever told and I still cannot even believe people sadly fall for it, its that they actually believe Hitler was a an American conservative Christian.
It's unconscionable.
And they avoid Stalin and Mao and Hirohito like the plague because it exposes all of the flaws in their compelte and utter BS trying to label america conservatives evil because we love the founding principles of America.
I watched Antifa tear down a Goerge Washington statue 2 miles from my house in Portland. Screw those azholes, Who then try to tell me they support the constitution. Screw off.
We aren't Nazis or fascist, we are American conservatives who believe in the founding principles of America and capitalistic ownership for AMERICANS. And we are tired and FED UP of the democrats fn BS. It has nothing to totalitarian or anything like that. You had Joe, and what an embarrassment that was. Now get over selves..
Useful idiots will never go away, unfortunately, no matter what history has taught them.
What is bold, italic, and underlined is YOUR OPINION, from your perspective. And EVERY claim you make can absolutely be stated about the democrats from 2021 to 2024.
Fascism is by definition LEFTIST, because conservatives eschew government control of rights, liberties, and industry.
You are soooo fat rediculously wrong and exactly backwards, totally and completely.
Left are considered mild socialism
Hat was so rediculous I win’t give it another minute.
Wow Just wow
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 21, 2025, 09:41:48 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by that. You know of course it is not lawful for a citizen to aim a rifle at another citizen and kill them. Unless self defense is at issue. War has different rules/laws. You kill the enemy whether they are an immediate threat to you personally or not. Agreed?
And we have climaxed! How does it feel? Welcome to the Article VI episode of “The Constitution: No Matter What.”
Yes, wars get a broader interpretation of law, but even then they operate inside long established legal boundaries.
Thanks AKIron! You just explained why laws exist. Gold star for civics. Article VI makes the Constitution the supreme law of the land, and Article I gives Congress, not the President, the sole power to declare war. An executive sharpie-signed policy, even a super duper golden-laced Trump decree, cannot override the Constitution, no matter who’s in the Oval Office.
If Obama were dead, he’d be rolling in his grave.
No matter what.
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 09:46:15 PM
And we have climaxed! How does it feel? Welcome to the Article VI episode for Dadtallica’s docuseries “The Constitution: No Matter What”
Yes, wars get a broader interpretation of law, but even then they operate inside well-established legal boundaries.
Congratulations, you just explained why laws exist. Gold star for civics. Article VI makes the Constitution the supreme law of the land, and Article I gives Congress and not the President the sole power to declare war. An executive sharpie-signed policy, even a super duper, awesomely crafted and golden laced Trump decree, cannot override the Constitution, no matter who’s in the Oval Office.
If Obama was dead, he would be rolling in his grave.
No matter what.
Thank you for holding the line on this.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 21, 2025, 09:51:32 PM
You are soooo fat rediculously wrong and exactly backwards, totally and completely.
Left are considered mild socialism
Hat was so rediculous I win’t give it another minute.
Wow Just wow
Sort of like that outright LIE you keep telling about crime stats. I proved you utterly wrong with the actual statement from the federal government department that collect the very stats in question. You lied about that, too, repeatedly, and then you ran and hid.
There was a time when I considered you a decent guy, and respected you whether I agree with you or not. That tine has passed. You can't even type a coherent sentence with decent spelling and grammar. Your claims aren't worth the stains on used Charmin. Neither are your thoughts or opinions.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 21, 2025, 10:07:00 PM
Exactly. And there are some VERY useful IDIOTS here.
Well, if I had to guess, one chiefs too much, the other nips too much, and another is a Canadian socialist (maybe of French descent). So, what are we to do?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 22, 2025, 07:42:36 AM
You've heard of the War Powers Act right? Every president in recent memory has directed acts of war against our enemies without first getting Congress on board. Especially obama.
And we have climaxed! How does it feel? Welcome to the Article VI episode of “The Constitution: No Matter What.”
Yes, wars get a broader interpretation of law, but even then they operate inside long established legal boundaries.
Thanks AKIron! You just explained why laws exist. Gold star for civics. Article VI makes the Constitution the supreme law of the land, and Article I gives Congress, not the President, the sole power to declare war. An executive sharpie-signed policy, even a super duper golden-laced Trump decree, cannot override the Constitution, no matter who’s in the Oval Office.
If Obama were dead, he’d be rolling in his grave.
No matter what.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 22, 2025, 07:56:56 AM
Refresh my memory. Which political party did the presidents who got us into the Korean and Vietnam "Wars" belong to?
<this one cost me 20 points so deserves an answer>
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 08:22:56 AM
Gotta get me more cats, dogs and babies and AA batteries for my green lasers.
BRB
Do you have any to share or did you smoke it all already this morning..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 22, 2025, 09:49:38 AM
In my view, by calling conservative americans "fascist nazis" against their will, is like calling black people the N word. You say, well they support national policies so that makes them Nazis, is bascially saying. Well they are black so they are the N word. And then you have a violent uprising because they are tired of being labeled bad name and ostracized by complete ignoramouses.
I feel like the left are clearly falling into the "repeat history" narrative. By calling conservative americans Nazis, you are bascially saying that you want war with us. You are saying that war should happen to defeat the "nazis" in America. You are saying you are the "defenders of democracy" by burning down cities and toppling founding father statues. You are saying, let's have WW3 because we are antifa and you are Nazis. Do you see the trap you guys are falling for?
And let me make one thing clear. I dont care how much money Soros and the Rockefellers provide these idiots in Antifa, these people are outright losers. Complete idiots who couldn't even hold a job at Starbucks and think dressing like clowns is going to win sympathy for their side. They arent smart. They only have the backing of funders who are too scared to be seen in public. But if the assassinations continue and our side continues to be labeled the N word in order start WW3, yall are gonna be met with a justified wrath and you wont be able to manipulate history to make it seem like you were the goods either.
If Mandami wins in New York, youll see just how bad your policies really are. It will be a huge disgrace to all the men and woman who fought in Afghanistan after 9/11 and New York will officially be conquered by Islam after 20 years of fighting over there. Its unfathomable how this happened. And just wait until they release all of the Islam refugees in New York and use your tax money to fund it. Its a scary thought. Its even more scary how naive some of you are to this.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 09:56:55 AM
In my view, by calling conservative americans "fascist nazis" against their will, is like calling black people the N word. You say, well they support national policies so that makes them Nazis, is bascially saying. Well they are black so they are the N word. And then you have a violent uprising because they are tired of being labeled bad name and ostracized by complete ignoramouses.
I feel like the left are clearly falling into the "repeat history" narrative. By calling conservative americans Nazis, you are bascially saying that you want war with us. You are saying that war should happen to defeat the "nazis" in America. You are saying you are the "defenders of democracy" by burning down cities and toppling founding father statues. You are saying, let's have WW3 because we are antifa and you are Nazis. Do you see the trap you guys are falling for?
And let me make one thing clear. I dont care how much money Soros and the Rockefellers provide these idiots in Antifa, these people are outright losers. Complete idiots who couldn't even hold a job at Starbucks and think dressing like clowns is going to win sympathy for their side. They arent smart. They only have the backing of funders who are too scared to be seen in public. But if the assassinations continue and our side continues to be labeled the N word in order start WW3, yall are gonna be met with a justified wrath and you wont be able to manipulate history to make it seem like you were the goods either.
If Mandami wins in New York, youll see just how bad your policies really are. It will be a huge disgrace to all the men and woman who fought in Afghanistan after 9/11 and New York will officially be conquered by Islam after 20 years of fighting over there. Its unfathomable how this happened. And just wait until they release all of the Islam refugees in New York and use your tax money to fund it. Its a scary thought. Its even more scary how naive some of you are to this.
Nonsense
Stick to planes
Edit; Ya know, not everyone on the left is a marxist commie liberal Democrat Liberal (far left mild socialism) Progressives (extreme left dem socialist)
Not the same monkeys They don’t all agree, the latter is A problem
Republicans Conservatives (mild fascism) Magas (extreme right, racist fascist)
They don’t all agree, the latter is a big problem. 1939
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 22, 2025, 09:59:39 AM
Edit; Ya know, not everyone on the left is a marxist commie liberal Democrat Liberal (far left mild socialism) Progressives (extreme left dem socialist)
Not the same monkeys They don’t all agree, the latter is A problem
Republicans Conservatives (mild fascism) Magas (extreme right, racist fascist)
They don’t all agree, the latter is a big problem. 1939
Go read the fascist policies of Muscilini and not your made up propaganda trying to make us something we are not. It has 0 to do with American Conservativism. You are being manipulated to hate people who are proud Americans. This is exactly what China did. Like how do you not see this?
The entire goal of your party is to classify capitalism and private ownership as fascist is completely out of line and shows how easily yall are to manipulate into communism, just like what happened to Venezuala. And just like what happened to China.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 10:38:57 AM
Go read the fascist policies of Muscilini and not your made up propaganda trying to make us something we are not. It has 0 to do with American Conservativism. You are being manipulated to hate people who are proud Americans. This is exactly what China did. Like how do you not see this?
Ahhhhh, I think you may misread me. Not calling you anything, other than friend. I may suggest your tribe unknowingly fell for the fascist shinny hook. The leaders of Maga and project 2025 are absolutely nazi fascist. I’m not alone. 70% of the US and most the world agrees. It has ALL the symptoms of 1939
30% of one country? Is not a majority.
We are just painfully waiting for that side to wake up
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 10:43:04 AM
BTW, I LOATH progressives as much as magas. Both absolutely INSANE. Polar opposites, big stupud mouths
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 22, 2025, 10:44:37 AM
Hook line and sinker Animl-AW...you and your entire tribe from where I stand...
It's the swing back from where who knows who ran the show the last 4 years..
It will swing again in 1 year and or 3...if history is accurate..
Relax and stop shooting the other side guy..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 10:53:01 AM
Hook line and sinker Animl-AW...you and your entire tribe from where I stand...
It's the swing back from where who knows who ran the show the last 4 years..
It will swing again in 1 year and or 3...if history is accurate..
Relax and stop shooting the other side guy..
Eagler
Projection, the world agrees
I’m not Pro either party I am absolutely against maga policies. No doubt, absolute.
Dems are too prudent for their own good, no nads Reps grabby, currently held captive
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 10:57:20 AM
Since my ancestors who came before it was USA in 1732 and fought in the Revolution, dad and uncle in WWII AF, and Native American in my blood, I might be a little biased in my opinion
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 22, 2025, 11:03:34 AM
Ahhhhh, I think you may misread me. Not calling you anything, other than friend. I may suggest your tribe unknowingly fell for the fascist shinny hook. The leaders of Maga and project 2025 are absolutely nazi fascist. I’m not alone. 70% of the US and most the world agrees. It has ALL the symptoms of 1939
30% of one country? Is not a majority.
We are just painfully waiting for that side to wake up
Again, I have nothing personal against ya and do consider you a friend, im just trying to make this make sense.
What fascist hook did we fall for? Are you saying that a president who cant sign his own bills, using a shadow government to sign policy isn't fascist? A citizenry who didnt vote for Kamala in primaries isnt fascist?
Again, if you moved to another country and illegally broke their laws to live in the country, are they fascist for removing you? This is a clear difference between Jewish citizens in Germany who were persecuted.
Which side is supporting Palestine and Hamas? Only antifa is a 1930s group being brought back by democrats. American conservativea do not consider themselves Nazis. Yall want 1939 to come back, not us.
MAGA is no way fascist. We represent conservative americans who are being ostracized and taken advantage of by leaders with a 3rd world idea of leadership trying to fund the world with our work and money. Like antifa dressing in all black burning flags and tearing down goerge Washington statues. Like when was this ever the "American way"? When was not striving for the American Dream but American handouts ever the "American way"? When was shooting people on college campuses and during rallies ever the America way? Its out of control and its antifa, a 1930s group, who are the ones who are the ones causing big trouble for regular people.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 11:07:49 AM
Now is now This is this
Make no mistake
We eat dogs cats and babies so that you don’t compare the list I posted to the policies
Thats how propaganda works
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 22, 2025, 11:19:55 AM
Really I think Antifa is only causing problems for those with whom they are like minded. I was in Idaho when they tried to bus in and cause trouble. They were well met and left immediately.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 11:25:09 AM
Go read the fascist policies of Muscilini and not your made up propaganda trying to make us something we are not. It has 0 to do with American Conservativism. You are being manipulated to hate people who are proud Americans. This is exactly what China did. Like how do you not see this?
The entire goal of your party is to classify capitalism and private ownership as fascist is completely out of line and shows how easily yall are to manipulate into communism, just like what happened to Venezuala. And just like what happened to China.
You should sleep on this.
I do recall calling you friend
Right now, truth is scaring you away from it. Its so surreal it could never happen right. That stuff just happens to other people.
Surreal is a con’s fav tool.
1939
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 22, 2025, 11:33:15 AM
Compare January 6 to No Kings, where not one single violent action of 7m+ One arrest, a female maga was waving her handgun
Where do you see violent hate?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 22, 2025, 12:03:15 PM
I’m not sure why political ideologies were entered into this discussion that absolutely matters none whatsoever.
The rule of law is paramount…
NO
MATTER
WHAT
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 22, 2025, 12:06:07 PM
The Rule of Law is what makes us a Republic and not a Democracy. Some will tell you though that "the US Constitution is not a suicide pact".
Of course our law does not apply to foreigners not in our country.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 22, 2025, 12:08:43 PM
Come on..joking right?
If you don't see you are pro left liberal agenda you are in denial sir..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Lazerr on October 22, 2025, 02:04:02 PM
The Rule of Law is what makes us a Republic and not a Democracy.
Now we debate semantics with people who squat in a house that does not belong to them and who then proceed to change its structure :rolleyes:
Democracy and republic, while often used interchangeably, have distinct meanings, origins, and implications. Democracy is a system of government in which laws, policies, leadership, and major undertakings of a state or other polity are directly or indirectly decided by the “people,”. In contrast, a republic is a form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 22, 2025, 04:42:01 PM
Representation is an important concept. :old:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 22, 2025, 05:47:01 PM
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 22, 2025, 06:31:11 PM
Now we debate semantics with people who squat in a house that does not belong to them and who then proceed to change its structure :rolleyes:
You really should look up all the times presidents have done things to the white house and the grounds...
President Year(s) Change Thomas Jefferson 1801 Designed East and West Colonnades to connect residence to service wings James Monroe 1824 Added the South Portico after War of 1812 reconstruction Andrew Jackson 1829 Built the North Portico, despite economic controversy Theodore Roosevelt 1902 Created the West Wing, separating offices from residence William Howard Taft 1909 Expanded West Wing and added the first Oval Office Franklin D. Roosevelt 1933–1942 Enlarged West Wing, relocated Oval Office, added indoor pool and East Wing Harry Truman 1948–1952 Gutted and rebuilt the White House due to structural collapse risk Gerald Ford 1975 Built the outdoor pool on the South Lawn Donald Trump 2025 Began construction of a massive East Wing ballroom for 900 guests
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 22, 2025, 06:57:54 PM
You really should look up all the times presidents have done things to the white house and the grounds...
President Year(s) Change Thomas Jefferson 1801 Designed East and West Colonnades to connect residence to service wings James Monroe 1824 Added the South Portico after War of 1812 reconstruction Andrew Jackson 1829 Built the North Portico, despite economic controversy Theodore Roosevelt 1902 Created the West Wing, separating offices from residence William Howard Taft 1909 Expanded West Wing and added the first Oval Office Franklin D. Roosevelt 1933–1942 Enlarged West Wing, relocated Oval Office, added indoor pool and East Wing Harry Truman 1948–1952 Gutted and rebuilt the White House due to structural collapse risk Gerald Ford 1975 Built the outdoor pool on the South Lawn Donald Trump 2025 Began construction of a massive East Wing ballroom for 900 guests
You forgot Obama ... wait, he just got rid of things.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: nopoop on October 22, 2025, 07:03:18 PM
And the Clintons took the silverware...
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Busher on October 22, 2025, 07:24:06 PM
No I'm not, you're all are vastly misinformed,.. OR,.. don't care how wrong you are as long as you make someone mad.
What you think I am is the last thing important to me.
Make someone mad... :headscratch:
If this actually angers you, you're in deeper than you know..relax..this too shall pass...
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 23, 2025, 07:58:05 AM
No longer worth talking to your type on ANY such matter. You have no clue what you’re talking about and denial swings you by the tail it ya do.
Just an irritant that isolates itself with recycled willful ignorance that loops forever.
Insane is thinking one can make sense to the insane. Good judgement cannot be trusted.
Have fun with high prices on everything while he drapes himself in gold bought with your money. Brilliance. Don’t touch me.
Play on banjos Serve more dogs cats and babies and praise the pedos! Right on.
Nope, no longer reading, welcome to ignore. No one should expose themselves to such tripe.
Now you $45k pickup cost $60-80k
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 23, 2025, 08:27:05 AM
engrish?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 23, 2025, 08:45:24 AM
I have worked with many immigrants from Mexico and other Latin countries for many years. I have had many discussions with them, especially concerning the drug cartels.
Many have talked about "The Tunnel".
This falls into a rumor. No evidence to back it up. Just hearsay.
The Sinaloa cartel had built a true tunnel from Mexico to the U.S. They played the long game. They started over 50 miles deep in Mexico. In a town with warehouses, they dug 500 feet down. They tunneled to a spot over 100 miles inside the U.S., to another town with warehouses.
This seems preposterous. The cartel has the money to pay for this. Engineers, surveyors, geologists, and slave labor.
"El Chapo" Guzman is crazy enough to do this. I've watched many docs and interviews with him to believe a possibility of a tunnel like this true.
If they built this behemoth with twin rail tracks allowing goods to travel back and forth, then drugs will always get into the U.S.
On the other hand, it might be misinformation from the cartel to make the U.S. go crazy looking for a phantom tunnel.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 08:53:25 AM
Portland tried decriminalizing drugs. It didn't last long. We won't stop use but we could isolate it.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 23, 2025, 09:12:17 AM
Portland tried decriminalizing drugs. It didn't last long. We won't stop use but we could isolate it.
The only way to end rampant serious drug use is to stop the supply. Heroin and Meth are too addictive to allow 18 year olds to do. A couple hits and their life has turned into that of a third world homeless loser. Ive seen it happen a lot. Just too powerful and too hard to break that addiction.
The left are pure ignoramus and shouldn't be taken seriously as a party anymore. They will destroy this country just like all the trash dump cities they've created over the last 40 years. They would defend a gang members before they defend your American families children.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 23, 2025, 09:13:30 AM
I have worked with many immigrants from Mexico and other Latin countries for many years. I have had many discussions with them, especially concerning the drug cartels.
Many have talked about "The Tunnel".
This falls into a rumor. No evidence to back it up. Just hearsay.
The Sinaloa cartel had built a true tunnel from Mexico to the U.S. They played the long game. They started over 50 miles deep in Mexico. In a town with warehouses, they dug 500 feet down. They tunneled to a spot over 100 miles inside the U.S., to another town with warehouses.
This seems preposterous. The cartel has the money to pay for this. Engineers, surveyors, geologists, and slave labor.
"El Chapo" Guzman is crazy enough to do this. I've watched many docs and interviews with him to believe a possibility of a tunnel like this true.
If they built this behemoth with twin rail tracks allowing goods to travel back and forth, then drugs will always get into the U.S.
On the other hand, it might be misinformation from the cartel to make the U.S. go crazy looking for a phantom tunnel.
I don't believe they would be able to pull off an engineering project of that magnitude without our intelligence department finding out.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:22:59 AM
Portland tried decriminalizing drugs. It didn't last long. We won't stop use but we could isolate it.
The worst physically addictive drugs in America are tobacco, alcohol and table sugar.
In 2022 numbers fentanyl killed 73,654 in the US. Combined alcohol + tobacco + sugar-linked deaths: ~683,000 per year.
Quote
Here’s a rough comparison of deaths in the U.S. from key causes:
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**Fentanyl (synthetic-opioid overdoses)**
* In 2022, about **73,654** people died from a fentanyl-involved overdose. ([USAFacts][1]) * In 2023, more than **107,000** drug overdose deaths occurred, with “nearly 70%” attributed to opioids such as fentanyl. ([DEA][2])
* If ~70% of ~107,000 = ~74,900 deaths associated with opioids/fentanyl. * So we can estimate fentanyl deaths on the order of ~70,000–75,000 per year in recent years in the U.S.
* Alcohol (excessive use): ~**178,000** deaths per year (2020-21 period, U.S.). ([CDC][3]) * Tobacco: ~**480,000+** deaths per year in the U.S. (including secondhand smoke) according to advocacy data. ([Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids][4]) * Excess sugar (or sugar-sweetened beverages / added sugar) – data are less precise for fully attributable deaths in the U.S., but some estimates suggest ~**25,000** U.S. deaths annually are linked to sugary-drink consumption. ([CMADocs][5])
* More broadly, some global estimates link sugar-sweetened beverages to ~340,000 deaths worldwide. ([Prevention][6]) * So the U.S. number is much smaller and the figure is uncertain.
**Adding them up** (using best-available numbers, with caution):
* Fentanyl-related overdose deaths: ~70,000–75,000 per year. * Combined alcohol + tobacco + sugar-linked deaths: ~683,000 per year. * So the combined deaths from those three (alcohol, tobacco, sugar) are roughly **9 to 10 times** higher than the deaths from fentanyl overdose in the U.S., based on these rough figures.
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**Caveats & important notes**
* The sugar-linked death estimate is much less certain and may under- or over-estimate the true number. * “Sugar consumption” is a broad category and many deaths (e.g., from heart disease, diabetes) have multiple contributing risk factors; attribution is complex. * Tobacco and alcohol death figures are reasonably well established; fentanyl/overdose numbers are also but can vary by methodology and year. * These are annual numbers and reflect different types of risk (acute overdose vs chronic disease). * The comparison is meant for illustrative scale; it does *not* suggest equivalence in nature of the risks.
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If you like, I can look up the *most recent year* data (2023 or 2024) for all of these (fentanyl, alcohol, tobacco, sugar-linked) and provide a more up-to-date comparison. Would you like that?
[1]: https://usafacts.org/articles/are-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rising-in-the-us/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Are fentanyl overdose deaths rising in the US? - USAFacts" [2]: https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/12/16/overdose-deaths-decline-fentanyl-threat-looms?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Overdose Deaths Decline, Fentanyl Threat Looms - DEA.gov" [3]: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7308a1.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Deaths from Excessive Alcohol Use — United States, 2016–2021" [4]: https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/problem/toll-us?utm_source=chatgpt.com "The Toll of Tobacco in the United States" [5]: https://www.cmadocs.org/newsroom/news/view/ArticleId/26411/Sugar-sweetened-drinks-responsible-for-25-000-U-S-deaths-each-year?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Sugar-sweetened drinks responsible for 25000 U.S. deaths ..." [6]: https://www.prevention.com/health/a63375234/sugary-drinks-linked-to-death/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Study: Sugary Drinks Linked to Over 330000 Deaths a Year"
I think we need a War on the Standard American Diet.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: icepac on October 23, 2025, 09:24:26 AM
A 28 foot dark grey “open fisherman” with six 300hp outboards, a giant fuel tank, and loaded up with “packages” is a raging clue what they are up to.
It’s a very specific look.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 09:27:36 AM
The worst physically addictive drugs in America are tobacco, alcohol and table sugar.
In 2022 numbers fentanyl killed 73,654 in the US. Combined alcohol + tobacco + sugar-linked deaths: ~683,000 per year.
I think we need a War on the Standard American Diet.
Many agree with you including RFK Jr. A not insignificant difference though is that many make use of alcohol, tobacco, and sugar in moderation and are not a never ending burden on society. I'll agree though that increasingly many are.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:30:13 AM
I have worked with many immigrants from Mexico and other Latin countries for many years. I have had many discussions with them, especially concerning the drug cartels.
Many have talked about "The Tunnel".
A 150 mile long tunnel would be an incredible achievement. The longest known tunnel currently is 35 miles and considered a technological marvel. https://chatgpt.com/share/68fa3659-a8cc-8001-adb8-01be645f1319 (https://chatgpt.com/share/68fa3659-a8cc-8001-adb8-01be645f1319)
If true, Elon should hire them as contractors for the Boring Company.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:32:18 AM
Many agree with you including RFK Jr. A not insignificant difference though is that many make use of alcohol, tobacco, and sugar in moderation and are not a never ending burden on society. I'll agree though that increasingly many are.
So use in moderation of all substances should be legal for adults?
Or should all toxic substances be made illegal in a logical and consistent manner for our own good?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 23, 2025, 09:33:15 AM
The worst physically addictive drugs in America are tobacco, alcohol and table sugar.
In 2022 numbers fentanyl killed 73,654 in the US. Combined alcohol + tobacco + sugar-linked deaths: ~683,000 per year.
I think we need a War on the Standard American Diet.
I agree with that to some degree, insert RFK Jr (god forbid) someone regulates "big food" now. Irony that dems dont want that... but you are referring to slow deaths, and those people arent trashing cities with piles of garbage like heroin and meth users, and people aren't instantly dying like Fentnyl. There is a difference there to some degree.
Every day on my way to work down Marine Drive in portland I saw 40 RVs line the streets just trashing it. Thought I lived in India or something. Im PTSD to trash on the road now. And the leadership there was so worthless they didnt even know how to clean it up. They had to move WPGA tour because it was so nasty.
If you cant even run a small city, over tax it, over drug it, never clean it up, have largest car theft ring in country, and then want to talk to me about environmentalism and that your side knows how to lead better, I jist simply have to call them a nutcase and move on. Unfortunately these "victims" are fine living in their own filth, and think you should be forced to live that way too.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:36:43 AM
Need I remind all of the horrible dangers of table sugar?
Tragedies like this need not happen.
Alcohol, tobacco, and sugar should be outlawed today. Think about the kids.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 09:39:10 AM
So use in moderation of all substances should be legal for adults?
Or should all toxic substances be made illegal in a logical and consistent manner for our own good?
My personal view is that all should have the freedom to do what they want so long as there is no negative impact on society. When I have to pay for your food or upkeep because of your bad choices then you are infringing on my freedom.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 23, 2025, 09:41:14 AM
So use in moderation of all substances should be legal for adults?
Or should all toxic substances be made illegal in a logical and consistent manner for our own good?
I believe some states/cities have tried using your logic and it has failed miserably. At some point, common sense, in this case government intervention, might be necessary.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:47:03 AM
I believe some states/cities have tried using your logic and it has failed miserably. At some point, common sense, in this case government intervention, might be necessary.
I agree.
And tobacco, alcohol and sugar should be added to the controlled substances list immediately given the proven and MASSIVE death rates shown. There is no non-hypocritical alternative.
Think about the kids.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 23, 2025, 09:52:15 AM
Massive death rates from sugar?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 09:59:30 AM
My personal view is that all should have the freedom to do what they want so long as there is no negative impact on society. When I have to pay for your food or upkeep because of your bad choices then you are infringing on my freedom.
My personal opinion (for adult use, kids have no privileges):
Illegality should be weighted on social harm and level of physical addictiveness. Physical addictiveness undermines the ability of an adult to exercise unfettered free-will at a biological level.
If we took that logical approach, lets re-evaluate:
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Summary Table Substance Physically Addictive? Evidence Level Notes Tobacco (nicotine) ✅ Yes Strong, decades of neurochemical and clinical data High relapse rate Alcohol ✅ Yes Strong, clinically defined withdrawal & tolerance Medically dangerous withdrawal Sugar ⚠️ Not proven Weak, mostly behavioral or animal-based Habit-forming but not true physical addiction
Summary Table Substance Physically Addictive? Psychological Dependence Withdrawal Severity Notes Cannabis (THC) ⚠️ Mild Moderate Mild to moderate Dependence possible with chronic use Psilocybin 🚫 No Very low None Non-addictive; potential anti-addiction properties
Seems to me a logical approach if you want to tell adults what to do for their own good would be:
Tobacco and alcohol should just be flat out illegal. Put on the same schedule as fentanyl. No tolerance. Black helicopters. Ninja suited raids with machine guns. The works.
Cannabis, Psilocybin, and sugar should be legal for adult use in the privacy of ones own home.
Or alternatively, all substances are an adults choice to possess and consume, what you make illegal are the behaviors.
If I'm drunk or stoned in public and creating disorder, jail. If I'm drunk or stones while driving, jail. If I'm drunk or stoned flying and airplane, jail. If I'm drunk or stoned while at work, fired.
You make adults bad behavior illegal, not plants that were placed on this earth to grow naturally.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 09:59:39 AM
If only we could outlaw stupidity.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 10:01:02 AM
If you do, I'm investing in private prisons. We won't have enough capacity. :rofl
But careful what you wish for. :police:
Who decides?
Some people think people who wear certain color caps are "stupid". Some people think people who are parts of bronze-age middle-eastern religious cults are "stupid".
And frankly, society needs a spectrum of intelligence levels and ambitions. Would a society of all nuclear physicist level Napoleon\Khan Noonien Singh work? Who would pump the septic tanks? Who would hump a 50lb ruck in jungle heat carrying a M-60 for minimum wage? A neuro-sugeon?
On the other-hand do you want Bart from your softball team doing brain surgery on your daughter after he "did he own research" on the internet? :bolt:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 10:19:17 AM
Here is a start, anyone who copies the fads seen on tick tock
We can work together on that. I think we can get consensus.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Shuffler on October 23, 2025, 12:14:22 PM
I prefer this use of my tax money. I do not want it wasted on folks who choose to take illegal drugs and then expect me to save them from themselves. Make better choices.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 12:19:29 PM
I prefer this use of my tax money. I do not want it wasted on folks who choose to take illegal drugs and then expect me to save them from themselves. Make better choices.
I prefer my tax dollars to go to Argentina.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 23, 2025, 12:41:42 PM
Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: icepac on October 23, 2025, 01:35:57 PM
I didn't realize cornholio grew up into a powerful senator.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 23, 2025, 01:41:32 PM
I prefer this use of my tax money. I do not want it wasted on folks who choose to take illegal drugs and then expect me to save them from themselves. Make better choices.
What an incredibly stupid thing to say. You have no idea what someone in the throes of addiction might be experiencing. Addiction or a sickness and clinical at that. What a sad way to view the world.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 01:45:00 PM
No one forces anyone to use illegal drugs. Addiction to illegal drugs was/is a choice.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 01:49:58 PM
Taking responsibility for your actions is freedom. If you didn't choose to become addicted to illegal drugs how can you choose to end the addiction?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 23, 2025, 02:10:20 PM
That is just plain ignorant.
Science disagrees but none of you care about science unless it’s calculating dot dars.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 02:13:38 PM
Amuses me when people invoke "science" without ever stating any facts.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 23, 2025, 02:59:28 PM
No one forces anyone to use illegal drugs. Addiction to illegal drugs was/is a choice.
Children are forced into this by adults. African warlords, drug cartels, human traffickers, and other assorted corrupt adults implement drug use to control and brainwash innocent children. Then, they give them guns after drinking alcohol. Child soldiers.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 23, 2025, 03:14:28 PM
Children are forced into this by adults. African warlords, drug cartels, human traffickers, and other assorted corrupt adults implement drug use to control and brainwash innocent children. Then, they give them guns after drinking alcohol. Child soldiers.
I believe we were discussing Americans.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 03:17:53 PM
I was. The point of this thread is our action against the cartels.
For the sake of argument let's assume an addicted person no longer has free will and cannot chose to stop using. I don't agree with that but... should we not stop those who would enslave ours at any cost?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 03:37:04 PM
I was. The point of this thread is our action against the cartels.
For the sake of argument let's assume an addicted person no longer has free will and cannot chose to stop using. I don't agree with that but... should we not stop those who would enslave ours at any cost?
Possibly.
How about a Congressional Declaration of War?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 04:00:43 PM
If we're going to blow up boats on the ocean (which I'm not against depending who they are), then I think the Declaration of War would have a little bit higher priority.
But yeah do the budget too.
And start clawing back powers that have been surrendered to the imperial presidency over the decades. That is NOT what the founders intended.
[Edit] I'd also settle for a just resolution to authorize force for the President. The point needs to be made that Congress decides when America goes to war as the founders intended. It establishes the principal that the President can wage war only because of the consent of the people elected representatives. But any such authorization should include tight constraints and periodic report back to Congress on progress regularly. The authorization should be set to auto-expire in 90 days unless re-authorized by an additional vote.
If you want more free-range to act than that? Get a Declaration of War.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 23, 2025, 04:24:28 PM
I can see these activities possibly inspiring terrorism from the cartels...
Smarter thinking would have them just wait it out as it won't be policy for long..I give it to 2028 at the longest..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 23, 2025, 05:53:11 PM
I support a Congressional Declaration of War on the Cartels.
How would other sovereign nations react to American forces invading their countries to wipe out the cartels?
A destabilizing situation would occur. Should Congress also be ready to take possession of these countries as new U.S. territories for eventual statehood?
The United Mexican States has 31 individual states. Central American countries, South American countries, and Caribbean countries would add a lot of new stars to the flag.
Europe, Asia, and Africa would be in uproar over American expansion. They would be thinking their next.
2 options. 1) Leave it alone. 2) Go all the way, no holds barred.
Immigration would eventually be nullified with 50 more states to the union.
A scenario that could happen.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Spikes on October 23, 2025, 06:35:33 PM
Attempting to wipe out cartels would be about as successful as Vietnam was.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 23, 2025, 07:01:53 PM
I don't know enough about that case to comment. I'm generally not a fan of the gov killing American citizens without due process unless they are presenting a clear and immediate threat to the safety of Americans. But every incident like that should always go through Congressional review. There should be some splainin. It is Congress' JOB to check an Executive trying to push his bounds.
You guys do realize the more imperial powers you try to lay on your guy, gets handed to the other side later, right? Be careful what you wish for.
I think ALL presidents should have way less power, not more.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 23, 2025, 07:49:08 PM
I think ALL presidents should have way less power, not more.
So we hand things over to career politicians? I hear ya, but in today's political climate, I'd rather trust this president than most of those career politicians (who we ALL squeak about) who illegally tried to oust a presidential candidate, and later the POTUS. Also, how much money has Trump lost since '20 compared to the money made by career politicians in DC? If this was a business decision by Trump to run for president, it was a terrible one. Hard to overlook those facts, especially if you agree with most of his policies and his vision for America.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: knorB on October 23, 2025, 08:12:04 PM
I don't know enough about that case to comment. I'm generally not a fan of the gov killing American citizens without due process unless they are presenting a clear and immediate threat to the safety of Americans. But every incident like that should always go through Congressional review. There should be some splainin. It is Congress' JOB to check an Executive trying to push his bounds.
You guys do realize the more imperial powers you try to lay on your guy, gets handed to the other side later, right? Be careful what you wish for.
I think ALL presidents should have way less power, not more.
That is because the congress as a whole has gave up a bunch of it's power so they can go... dont look at us we didnt do it. Thats why you have these alphabet agencies basically writing law.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 23, 2025, 08:17:19 PM
I support a Congressional Declaration of War on the Cartels.
How would other sovereign nations react to American forces invading their countries to wipe out the cartels?
A destabilizing situation would occur. Should Congress also be ready to take possession of these countries as new U.S. territories for eventual statehood?
The United Mexican States has 31 individual states. Central American countries, South American countries, and Caribbean countries would add a lot of new stars to the flag.
Europe, Asia, and Africa would be in uproar over American expansion. They would be thinking their next.
2 options. 1) Leave it alone. 2) Go all the way, no holds barred.
Immigration would eventually be nullified with 50 more states to the union.
A scenario that could happen.
Well, maybe you’re all not useless. We seem to circle the group back every few pages or so. It’s like turning a CV.
You just described all the exact reasons why none of what you described will ever happen.
Just like here in America, other countries have laws and their laws matter.
No matter what.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Oldman731 on October 23, 2025, 08:30:45 PM
You guys do realize the more imperial powers you try to lay on your guy, gets handed to the other side later, right? Be careful what you wish for.
There is merit here.
Any of you remember the National Lampoon issue where, theoretically, the sniper missed JFK and hit Jackie, instead? They had a time line, which in 1972 included the Christmas Bombing of Belfast.
Warlord of Your Choice is fine, so long as you get your choice.
- oldman
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 23, 2025, 08:36:48 PM
That is because the congress as a whole has gave up a bunch of it's power so they can go... dont look at us we didnt do it. Thats why you have these alphabet agencies basically writing law.
Exactly and that is a problem.
The Congress should start reclaiming it share of the power balance. That is what the founders intended. They weren't meant to be the presidents rubber stamp.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 23, 2025, 10:48:26 PM
Mr. Smith left Washington long ago and they ain't ever letting him go back. It's a fight to the finish now.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Busher on October 23, 2025, 11:12:46 PM
Also, how much money has Trump lost since '20 compared to the money made by career politicians in DC? If this was a business decision by Trump to run for president, it was a terrible one.
Changpeng Zhao was pardoned yesterday. You may wish to do some research into how much money the Trump family has made through that Crypto business.
Just as a source, you will notice that Binance has over $2 Billion invested in World Liberty Financial.
As they say, follow the money. :eek:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 23, 2025, 11:19:46 PM
Well, maybe you’re all not useless. We seem to circle the group back every few pages or so. It’s like turning a CV.
You just described all the exact reasons why none of what you described will ever happen.
Just like here in America, other countries have laws and their laws matter.
No matter what.
I don't know the future. I do know those in power will find ways to remain in power and try to increase their power.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I just know human nature. Most humans are decent people. It's the small percentage of those in power that make life difficult for the rest.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 12:27:52 AM
I don't know the future. I do know those in power will find ways to remain in power and try to increase their power.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I just know human nature. Most humans are decent people. It's the small percentage of those in power that make life difficult for the rest.
Well in a cpl weeks and the pain sets in, just remember, the people who brought this to us were warned 1000 times. Habitual liars really tell the truth.
This is how cults work. Left field is home. Denial is their heroine.
This is just a deflection from the raping of America. Thats all it is. Stay focused on killing random people and militarized cities, all deflections
He would fire nukes to deflect from his raping you and things like Epstein
I don't know enough about that case to comment. I'm generally not a fan of the gov killing American citizens without due process unless they are presenting a clear and immediate threat to the safety of Americans. But every incident like that should always go through Congressional review. There should be some splainin. It is Congress' JOB to check an Executive trying to push his bounds.
You guys do realize the more imperial powers you try to lay on your guy, gets handed to the other side later, right? Be careful what you wish for.
I think ALL presidents should have way less power, not more.
The object of deflection is to keep them off balanced and not thinking 5 minutes ahead,... it's always right now, while the money goes out the back door.
And yes, IF we ever get our country back, their biggest mistake is the notion they will have the last word.
They only get away with it if we all die before anything was done. What are the odds?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 06:35:51 AM
Sorry yall had your chance and completely embarrassed America infront of the entire world, who also tried persecuting their political opponents then tried killing them, then ran a lady who didnt even get primary votes, and you think that no experience lady would have been able to solve peace in the middle east or solve the Ukraine/russia war? Solve pakaistan and India, or talk trade deals? Talk about delusional. The tax cuts would have expired. Our people are taking down gangs and rescuing children all over the country. The market is soaring, gold and silver finally getting their due. This is a far far better off country and world than last year. Yall keep saying " in 2 more weeks its all gonna crash, youll see"... sounds very similar to the global warming "in 10 more years". But ironically, things all are getting better, massive investment is pouring into America. A president who donates his presidential salary. Like I just dont get it with these liberals who think electing a legit shadow government with career insiders is going to bring us a better country, per last 4 years, we see what a complete unorganized and mismanaged fiasco those clowns are and have been for decades. Im so glad they got sat the F down and it needs to continue for a while until these people learn we aren't going to tolerate their sell out of Americans anymore.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 24, 2025, 07:15:21 AM
You sound like the last 4 years were bliss with the auto pen vegetable spending billions on millions of criminal illegals...
Now this one is spending billions tossing them out..what a great use of our bloated currency..
Ying and Yang as it's always been...it's just the swing gets wider each time these days...chill out and enjoy the show as that's all it is in the big picture show called life..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: oTRALFZo on October 24, 2025, 07:25:34 AM
The market is soaring, gold and silver finally getting their due. This is a far far better off country and world than last year.
Gold and silver prices going up is not a good thing. Its showing an ever increased fear of a crumbling economy to where people are looking to have a much more tangible investment.
I dont know who you know but everyone I know is struggling. Cost of living is getting worse by the day. I have lived in Northern VA for over 20 years, supposedly a 'recession proof' area being so close to government jobs is now facing a huge employment drop...yeah were doing great.
The only ones "thriving" here are CEOs or career politicians. No such thing anymore for the middle class
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Meatwad on October 24, 2025, 07:50:34 AM
Inflation is still rampant with no forseeable chance of it dropping back to where things were before covid hit
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 07:51:28 AM
Gold and silver prices going up is not a good thing. Its showing an ever increased fear of a crumbling economy to where people are looking to have a much more tangible investment.
I dont know who you know but everyone I know is struggling. Cost of living is getting worse by the day. I have lived in Northern VA for over 20 years, supposedly a 'recession proof' area being so close to government jobs is now facing a huge employment drop...yeah were doing great.
The only ones "thriving" here are CEOs or career politicians. No such thing anymore for the middle class
Gold and Silver have been artificially held down for a while. I think something is going on. Many countries including America are buying it up. Also, perhaps the algorithms have been released to help it gain value. In anycase, I dont necessarily think its a bad thing, and the overall economy isn't in bad shape. We did see a GDP increase of .06 for Q2 to 3.8, and the market is at an all time high. While sure many folks are "struggling", we are still feeling the effects of high grocery prices and high interest rates, where unfortunately there isnt much a president can do, luckily we saw the tax cuts stay, or else people really would have been hurting. I think if he can find a way to keep lowering them more, it may help reduce those costs. Remember, that rampant inflation happened 2 months after Joe was elected. Not sure what happened, but the algorithms were let loose and the market bloomed like we havent seen, even the OTC market was seeing booms like never before. While some got rich, some lost it all in the remaining years of sell off dumps, then high interest rates to hurt housing market and extremely high prices on products due to that strange market boom. We are still trying to balance out of that. The thing about high taxes and high interest rates is that they get you on both sides of the coin, and both are brought on by policies enacted outside of the president, for the most part.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 24, 2025, 07:57:48 AM
Gold and silver prices going up is not a good thing. Its showing an ever increased fear of a crumbling economy to where people are looking to have a much more tangible investment.
I dont know who you know but everyone I know is struggling. Cost of living is getting worse by the day. I have lived in Northern VA for over 20 years, supposedly a 'recession proof' area being so close to government jobs is now facing a huge employment drop...yeah were doing great.
The only ones "thriving" here are CEOs or career politicians. No such thing anymore for the middle class
You forgot hollywood and so called entertainment from singers to yt influencers..
Let's lower the interest rate and kick in QE again as that worked so well since 2008..
Try planning your retirement and in the 1st year watch every cost you budgeted for almost double..
Gold isn't going up .. it's the dollar losing its value..same reason everything costs more..
It is tied to the attention we are giving our South American friends imo..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 08:10:26 AM
Remember, that rampant inflation happened 2 months after Joe was elected.
Which is exactly why the majority of voters went the other way. Nothing has changed and its looking worse with finger pointing. (not referring to you but the clowns in DC)
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 08:19:51 AM
Gold isn't going up .. it's the dollar losing its value..same reason everything costs more..
Ironically Gold can sometimes temporarily crater at the beginning of a economic collapse.
As the Titanic rolls over, traders caught with margin have to liquidate everything not locked in, to keep their margin position from getting liquidated. Ironically a bunch of panicking investors trying to sell their gold to preserve their margins can push the price lower. Eventually they will lose both the gold and margin position.
Then they jump from tall buildings.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 24, 2025, 08:40:49 AM
Prices NEVER go back down. Inflation itself has slowed. But the prices haven't gone back down, and they won't, much. They never have. And income rarely keeps up with or outgrows inflation. Especially for the middle class. Only in rare cases, a couple of times in the last 50 years, has middle class wealth growth outpaced upper class wealth growth.
Understand, the government STILL spends massively more than it takes in. The government still prints money it does not have, and it is not supported by an actual gold standard. Until those two things stop, the value of the dollar will not go up, at best, it will stabilize.
This is an intentional cycle. It destroys individual security, and individual liberty, and grows the government. Go back and look at the 20th century. There are people driving this. If you look, and you're honest, you'll see and understand. If you don't, well, you're the problem.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 08:43:57 AM
The U.S. has had several periods of deflation, most notably during the Great Depression and the Great Recession. The most severe deflation occurred from 1929 to 1933, when the consumer price index (CPI) fell by nearly 25%. Other historical deflationary periods include 1815–1860 and 1865–1900.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 24, 2025, 08:48:05 AM
Gold and Silver have been artificially held down for a while. I think something is going on. Many countries including America are buying it up. Also, perhaps the algorithms have been released to help it gain value. In anycase, I dont necessarily think its a bad thing, and the overall economy isn't in bad shape. We did see a GDP increase of .06 for Q2 to 3.8, and the market is at an all time high. While sure many folks are "struggling", we are still feeling the effects of high grocery prices and high interest rates, where unfortunately there isnt much a president can do, luckily we saw the tax cuts stay, or else people really would have been hurting. I think if he can find a way to keep lowering them more, it may help reduce those costs. Remember, that rampant inflation happened 2 months after Joe was elected. Not sure what happened, but the algorithms were let loose and the market bloomed like we havent seen, even the OTC market was seeing booms like never before. While some got rich, some lost it all in the remaining years of sell off dumps, then high interest rates to hurt housing market and extremely high prices on products due to that strange market boom. We are still trying to balance out of that. The thing about high taxes and high interest rates is that they get you on both sides of the coin, and both are brought on by policies enacted outside of the president, for the most part.
It is obvious, from the study of history and economics, what drives inflation is the government spending more than it takes in, the government printing money that it has no standard of security for, and the attending debt that is nearly worthless. That floods the market with worthless money. The dollar becomes worthless.
This has been repeated, ad nauseam and ad infinitum, especially in the U.S. in the 20th century.
Slash the size and scope of the U.S. government to fit within the Constitution, and pay off the debt. The dollar will triple in value the minute that process begins. It will NEVER gain in value so long as that process does not happen.
This ain't hard to understand, Freidman and Sowell have been providing truth and facts for decades.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 09:03:37 AM
It is obvious, from the study of history and economics, what drives inflation is the government spending more than it takes in,
Government inflating the money supply is one cause of inflation, usually the most common, but it is not the only one.
Inflation is too much money competing for too few goods.
There are two sides to that equation.
The government can pump too much money into the system. Population booms can create more demand than the system can initially provide (think post-WWII housing shortage). Shocks to the supply system can create inflation as well. (Shutting down production during a pandemic, tariffs, boycotts, trade-wars, poor harvests, bird flu, energy embargos, etc, etc, etc)
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 24, 2025, 09:06:04 AM
Government inflating the money supply is one cause of inflation, usually the most common, but it is not the only one.
Inflation is too much money competing for too few goods.
There are two sides to that equation.
The government can pump too much money into the system. Population booms can create more demand than the system can initially provide (think post-WWII housing shortage). Shocks to the supply system can create inflation as well. (Shutting down production during a pandemic, tariffs, boycotts, trade-wars, poor harvests, bird flu, energy embargos, etc, etc, etc)
Government spending, money printing, and worthless debt have been the primary factors in every case of runaway inflation. As well as other government interference in the economy. Including interference during epidemics and pandemics, which are often themselves caused by the government. And it is the government that drives what is historically permanent inflation, and the attending lack of wage growth.
Temporary inflation due to market corrections is a different matter entirely. Or, what would be temporary if not for, wait for it, government intervention.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 24, 2025, 09:16:31 AM
As neither side wants what is there now it could be the best time..
They will of course first deny the Recession exists. It takes 6-12 months before it is so obvious that they can't deny it any longer.
Then they will call it a mild recession.
It won't feel mild to the retirees that lose their nest eggs, the pension funds that get caught skinny-dipping in dangerous equities when they should have stuck to fixed income instruments.
The young people who will have lost the formative decade of establishing themselves economically which leads to all kinds of bad social knock-on effects like birthrate crash, more extreme politics and angry young people we see a economic system that does nothing but screw them and leave them little chance to enjoy the life their parents had, and is run by corrupt octarian oligarchs.
But inflation will drop, prices will deflate, and the debt servicing explosion will be averted, for a while. ;)
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 24, 2025, 10:30:22 AM
Let's seize the assets of the drug lords and pay off the national debt.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 11:02:03 AM
Let's seize the assets of the drug lords and pay off the national debt.
I think Spikes summed it up well
IMO, This is a deflection. Several in charge have resigned in protest. Military moral is spiraling because they did not sign up for this stuff on this nor our cities.
They go after small boats while submarines carrying much more go right under them and right under the fence Mexico paid for. oh, wait!.
This is plastic army-men obsession.
This is a reality TV production propaganda. it won’t even move the needle.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 11:12:37 AM
So let congress act and pass law preventing the Executive branch from doing what every president in my lifetime has done. They won't for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 11:23:00 AM
So let congress act and pass law preventing the Executive branch from doing what every president in my lifetime has done. They won't for obvious reasons.
They don't have to pass a law.
It's called the Constitution. We've already done it.
And if the Constitution isn't enough, no other little law will be. Then I guess it's time to throw hands.
The Congress should pass a resolution reminding the President that he will NOT commit this country to a war of unforeseen length without a Declaration of War from the People's representatives.
If he bucks, you impeach and convict and find another and give him the same ultimatum.
The president is not supposed to be a King. He is supposed to be a bureaucrat who's main job is to faithfully and effectively implement the laws passed by Congress.
He has some limited authority to respond to an immediate crisis that needs addressing before the Congress can finish deliberation, but the authorization should have tight control and auto-expire every 90 days without subsequent re-authorization.
I don't get it. The people who should LEAST want to see an imperial president\king ought to be Constitutional originalists.
There will be another King someday. And AOC will love the vast array of monarchial powers she will have been left to wield with complete legal immunity.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 11:23:33 AM
So let congress act and pass law preventing the Executive branch from doing what every president in my lifetime has done. They won't for obvious reasons.
BS
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 24, 2025, 11:25:17 AM
IMO, This is a deflection. Several in charge have resigned in protest. Military moral is spiraling because they did not sign up for this stuff on this nor our cities.
They go after small boats while submarines carrying much more go right under them and right under the fence Mexico paid for. oh, wait!.
This is plastic army-men obsession.
This is a reality TV production propaganda. it won’t even move the needle.
I guess the recruits haven't gotten the word.
In 2025, military enrollment is expected to show significant improvement: The Army anticipates meeting its enlistment goals, marking a turnaround after struggling in previous years.
All active-duty branches are reportedly meeting or exceeding their recruitment goals as of March 2025.
There is a possibility that recruitment could surpass pre-pandemic levels by the end of fiscal 2025.
Overall, the military is experiencing a recruiting momentum, with the Army hitting its target for the first time since 2021.
These trends indicate a positive outlook for military enrollment in 2025, following years of decline.
The rest of your claims are nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 11:32:04 AM
It's called the Constitution. We've already done it.
And if the Constitution isn't enough, no other little law will be. Then I guess it's time to throw hands.
The Congress should pass a resolution reminding the President that he will NOT commit this country to a war of unforeseen length without a Declaration of War from the People's representatives.
If he bucks, you impeach and convict and find another and give him the same ultimatum.
The president is not supposed to be a King. He is supposed to be a bureaucrat who's main job is to faithfully and effectively implement the laws passed by Congress.
He has some limited authority to respond to an immediate crisis that needs addressing before the Congress can finish deliberation, but the authorization should have tight control and auto-expire every 90 days without subsequent re-authorization.
I don't get it. The people who should LEAST want to see an imperial president\king ought to be Constitutional originalists.
There will be another King someday. And AOC will love the vast array of monarchial powers she will have been left to wield with complete legal immunity.
Every president in your life time has done it. Some a lot more than others. Korea and Vietnam come to mind. No talk about "Kings" back then.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 11:35:41 AM
In 2025, military enrollment is expected to show significant improvement:
Crippling unemployment does that. The military is the employer of last resort.
Overall unemployment numbers may not look horrible historically right now, they are hugely skewed.
Within the age cohort of enlistees, it's Depression level.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 11:40:52 AM
Congress never declared war against Korea or Vietnam yet US Presidents waged war in those countries killing millions. They couldn't even say they were directly protecting our borders as can be said today. And of course we have been involved in fighting in other countries without Congress declaring war ever since.
"One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" -Stalin (maybe)
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 24, 2025, 11:41:53 AM
Every president in your life time has done it. Some a lot more than others. Korea and Vietnam come to mind. No talk about "Kings" back then.
There was plenty of discussion about it amongst educated people.
Does repeated violation of the Constitution magically make it not a violation anymore?
I've never wanted an imperial president. Ever. I've always distrusted too much power in one individuals hands.
The founders agreed. They knew Congress would mostly be weak groveling near-criminals, but there would be a lot of them canceling each other out.
You never want one Napoleon or Caesar to get a foothold.
Fifteen presidents served during slavery. That doesn't convey to slavery legitimacy.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 11:45:52 AM
You can't let "your" Presidents do something and then expect "mine" not to. The 1973 War Powers Act made provision. If you want that changed then Congress must change it.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 11:45:54 AM
Congress never declared war against Korea or Vietnam yet US Presidents waged war in those countries killing millions. They couldn't even say they were directly protecting our borders as can be said today. And of course we have been involved in fighting in other countries without Congress declaring war ever since.
"One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" -Stalin (maybe)
And those were violations of the Constitution. Driven by Cold-War hystaria. People in fear often become willing to hand over the Constitution in favor of a Strongman to keep them safe.
Is your argument that because we have violated the Constitution in the past, we are now obligated to keep violating it?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 11:47:11 AM
You can't let "your" Presidents do something and then expect "mine" not to. The 1973 War Powers Act made provision. If you want that changed then Congress must change it.
They are all "our" president until they are dead or we find someone better.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 11:48:31 AM
The Constitution limited declarations of war to the Congress. Congress granted authority of restricted action to the President. That was lawful. Some clever President might force Congress to be more specific and limiting.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 24, 2025, 11:48:39 AM
You can't let "your" Presidents do something and then expect "mine" not to. The 1973 War Powers Act made provision. If you want that changed then Congress must change it.
No, you need to re-read that act more carefully.
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The 1973 War Powers Act sets a 60-day time limit for military actions in hostilities without a formal declaration of war or specific authorization from Congress.
Sounds a lot like what I was suggesting. It only gives 60 days though.
So I guess that clock started when the first boat went boom.
BTW, I am not pro-Cartel or pro-Venezuala. I am pro-Constitution.
If Congress debates the matter on the open floor and there is a public vote and people put their names on it for history, if the decision is War then I will back the decision until another vote changes it.
I just demand you go through the proper process.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 11:54:23 AM
Would you like to also criticize those presidents and accuse them of authoritarianism?
I criticize all presidents who exceed their Constitutional boundaries.
Why can't you?
But I blame Congress more. Executives will ALWAYS try and grab more power. It is human nature. The founders understood that. It is Congress' job to keep the executive in check and under tight control.
Congress needs to demand it's power back and use the impeachment\conviction as their club to do so.
THAT is what the founders would have wanted.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 12:03:47 PM
Defending our borders from invasion does not require a declaration of war and is a responsibility of the Executive Branch.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 24, 2025, 12:07:36 PM
Yep. But that authority doesn't extend past the border.
US territorial waters extend out 12 miles. I'd be more comfortable with killing drug traffickers within that boundary. Like I suggested though, a President who despises what other Presidents have done might be inclined to force Congress to act.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 12:47:15 PM
The Constitution limited declarations of war to the Congress. Congress granted authority of restricted action to the President. That was lawful. Some clever President might force Congress to be more specific and limiting.
The only accomplishment of this congress is taking money from our pockets to theirs. And you bite every shinny hook defections to ignore it.
You will eat dirt right along with us, the shock will be more harsh.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 24, 2025, 01:46:29 PM
Well at least we are not talking about the Epstein files.
….hey wait a minute.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 02:03:11 PM
First, blowing up boats is not a defensive act in my opinion. If Coast Guard had tried to board them according to our law and were fired up, light them up.
Second, I'm not comfortable with the military being use to enforce Congressional law. That is a Law Enforcement role.
Third, is your argument that that US military has the right to assassinate any individual, of any nationality, located in any other country or international waters, based on the idea that they MIGHT eventually cross our border illegally...someday?
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Blowing up a boat in international waters is generally illegal and violates international law, with narrow exceptions for self-defense during an active armed conflict.
Were these boats firing on US forces? Had they fired on Coast Guard?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 02:30:31 PM
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The 1973 War Powers Act sets a 60-day time limit for military actions in hostilities without a formal declaration of war or specific authorization from Congress.
First boat blown up on 2 Sept.
Go to Congress. Get your authorization.
He controls both the House and Senate, let them put their names on it.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 02:32:53 PM
Law enforcement enforces our laws within our borders. Our military does in fact have the responsibility to repel foreign invaders. Not law enforcement. If you'll recall the military oath you swore it was to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eviscerate on October 24, 2025, 02:33:08 PM
He controls both the House and Senate, let them put their names on it.
Why would the administration start doing things the Constitutional way now?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Eagler on October 24, 2025, 02:38:34 PM
AI speak...
"BRICS influences South America by fostering economic cooperation, creating an alternative to Western-dominated institutions like the IMF and World Bank, and providing a platform for developing nations to gain geopolitical leverage. Brazil is a key player, but countries like Bolivia and Argentina have also sought to join, though this can lead to tensions with the United States due to geopolitical alignments with China and Russia. This influence is seen through increased trade and investment, and the creation of new financial institutions like the New Development Bank."
Just as much if not more about this as it is smuggled drugs imo..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 02:39:16 PM
If you want to get technical does every invasion attempt reset the 60 day War Powers Act clause? This action is not against a nation but rather against individuals attempting to invade our land and poison our citizens.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 02:41:08 PM
Why would the administration start doing things the Constitutional way now?
In two floor votes he could be out on his butt working as Walmart Greeter. One to indict, one to convict. The whole thing could be over in less than a week.
The problem isn't that the founders didn't leave the tools for Congress to resist a King. The problem is the character of the men holding those tools.
The problem is too many people in this country today, secretly really want a Putin in charge. They just want THEIR Putin, not the other teams.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 24, 2025, 02:46:08 PM
The USS Gerald Ford and her battle group are heading to these waters now.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: CptTrips on October 24, 2025, 02:48:12 PM
If you want to get technical does every invasion attempt reset the 60 day War Powers Act clause? This action is not against a nation but rather against individuals attempting to invade our land and poison our citizens.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I see no room for consensus.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 02:50:04 PM
There is precedent for the US military to defend against foreign invaders within our borders. That's really not debatable.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 03:00:57 PM
The only accomplishment of this congress is taking money from our pockets to theirs. And you bite every shinny hook defections to ignore it.
You will eat dirt right along with us, the shock will be more harsh.
You realize we passed the tax cuts again right (wouldn't have happened under your leaders) and interest rates have been lowered. Thus continuing to save us money and not giving it away to the debt. So im not sure what you mean?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 03:08:13 PM
I dont remember the CIA being involved with drug and human trafficking being in the constitution either. I dont remember it saying we can flood any city with third worlders whenever we want without a vote either :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 24, 2025, 03:47:15 PM
You realize we passed the tax cuts again right (wouldn't have happened under your leaders) and interest rates have been lowered. Thus continuing to save us money and not giving it away to the debt. So im not sure what you mean?
lol that’s not how tax cuts work.
Also, the last republican to leave office with a surplus was Eisenhower.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 04:14:37 PM
Also, the last republican to leave office with a surplus was Eisenhower.
Strange, my wife and I made it a point to buy a new Wok with the first paycheck after the cuts in 2017 with the savings. I know it works. Btw, employer taxes on labor make a huge difference. A 10m business may pay up to 100k in taxes on their employees labor a year. That is something hamstringing businesses to hire and pay more to find better quality American labor.
Eisnenhower was one of the last ones. Even he warned of the MIC. The MIC, CIA skull n bones cabal took over just after they assassinated JFK for trying to expose it. The same exact thing they are doing to Trump, and the same exact cabal Trump is fighting. Thats why RFK is on his side. You guys really dont see it?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2025, 04:21:29 PM
What an incredibly stupid thing to say. You have no idea what someone in the throes of addiction might be experiencing. Addiction or a sickness and clinical at that. What a sad way to view the world.
Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid is the person who takes illegal drugs when they know they are addictive. Don't try to make it sound like a sickness when they chose the path before they were addicted. They were not sick or addicted when they chose to take an addictive drug, they were just stupid. We spend far too much money trying to protect stupid people from themselves. They in turn have many stupid kids who just infest the country with more burden. Let them thin themselves out. Just like we used to do years a go.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Busher on October 24, 2025, 04:24:49 PM
Anyone think that a nice hot Argentinian Beef Burger will calm the debate? :rofl
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2025, 04:27:57 PM
Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid is the person who takes illegal drugs when they know they are addictive. Don't try to make it sound like a sickness when they chose the path before they were addicted. They were not sick or addicted when they chose to take an addictive drug, they were just stupid. We spend far too much money trying to protect stupid people from themselves. They in turn have many stupid kids who just infest the country with more burden. Let them thin themselves out. Just like we used to do years a go.
Similar to alcoholics?
They sin differently?
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 04:36:21 PM
Strange, my wife and I made it a point to buy a new Wok with the first paycheck after the cuts in 2017 with the savings. I know it works. Btw, employer taxes on labor make a huge difference. A 10m business may pay up to 100k in taxes on their employees labor a year. That is something hamstringing businesses to hire and pay more to find better quality American labor.
Eisnenhower was one of the last ones. Even he warned of the MIC. The MIC, CIA skull n bones cabal took over just after they assassinated JFK for trying to expose it. The same exact thing they are doing to Trump, and the same exact cabal Trump is fighting. Thats why RFK is on his side. You guys really dont see it?
BS
I lost $10k, don’t even light my fire there.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Dadtallica on October 24, 2025, 04:47:29 PM
Clinton was the last to leave with a surplus and the most money of any president by several degrees with $236 billion left.
Sure that flies well here.
Trump 1 left office in the red with a $3T deficit. Thats trillion with a T.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 04:53:24 PM
Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid is the person who takes illegal drugs when they know they are addictive. Don't try to make it sound like a sickness when they chose the path before they were addicted. They were not sick or addicted when they chose to take an addictive drug, they were just stupid. We spend far too much money trying to protect stupid people from themselves. They in turn have many stupid kids who just infest the country with more burden. Let them thin themselves out. Just like we used to do years a go.
Don't quite agree with this. One wrong choice of a young adult or child could ruin there life. Is it stupid yes.. would you consider it a mistake?? Yes.
Have you ever made a mistake? Bad margarita mix? At least that. :neener:
Should these drugs be on street? No.
We owe this to our youth in this country to get this sht off the streets so it isn't even an option.
I know good people who this stuff ruined. Some managed to get sober, and they are the same good person they were before the mistake. I know some that couldn't dig deep enough, and they are dead.
Like many things currently in our supermarket... they shouldn't even be available for consumption. Or available period.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 24, 2025, 05:31:56 PM
Why don't we legalize all narcotics? Open up narcotic stores and tax them. Big Brother gets his cut. Customers get what they want.
Funeral homes will get a spike in business.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 05:33:13 PM
So if these drugs brought in by these invaders are addictive such that few can break free then are they not truly poison? Are not those inflicting them upon us not worthy of extinction? You can't really have it both ways.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2025, 05:34:28 PM
So if these drugs brought in by these invaders are addictive such that few can break free then are they not truly poison? Are not those inflicting them upon us not worthy of extinction? You can't really have it both ways.
Anyone in their right mind that wants that stuff coming into this country isn't worth discussing it with.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2025, 07:31:16 PM
This is like watching a sick version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Zombie like depth of pure utter willful ignorance is repugnantly gross
The saddest part, they are actually convinced they have the slightest clue of what they spew like mental diarrhea.
Trust me, 70% of USA and every ally agrees, basically everyone but our enemies, who love these quacks.
I’m not going to white glove this.
It insult all our intelligence, which is the goal. Doesn’t matter if ya have one fact right as long as you leave thinking ya outsmarted and angered someone.
Trust me, ya embarrass yourself much more
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 24, 2025, 08:04:17 PM
This is like watching a sick version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Zombie like depth of pure utter willful ignorance is repugnantly gross
The saddest part, they are actually convinced they have the slightest clue of what they spew like mental diarrhea.
Trust me, 70% of USA and every ally agrees, basically everyone but our enemies, who love these quacks.
I’m not going to white glove this.
It insult all our intelligence, which is the goal. Doesn’t matter if ya have one fact right as long as you leave thinking ya outsmarted and angered someone.
Trust me, ya embarrass yourself much more
And the projection begins.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: RUSH1 on October 24, 2025, 08:19:48 PM
This is like watching a sick version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Zombie like depth of pure utter willful ignorance is repugnantly gross
The saddest part, they are actually convinced they have the slightest clue of what they spew like mental diarrhea.
Trust me, 70% of USA and every ally agrees, basically everyone but our enemies, who love these quacks.
I’m not going to white glove this.
It insult all our intelligence, which is the goal. Doesn’t matter if ya have one fact right as long as you leave thinking ya outsmarted and angered someone.
Trust me, ya embarrass yourself much more
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: AKKuya on October 24, 2025, 08:38:58 PM
So much anger and disgruntlement here.
Maybe everyone should sit around a large table and take a page out of Foreman's basement from That '70s Show.
:x
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 24, 2025, 08:47:43 PM
I think we should listen to and understand what Mr.Hegseth is saying here. These arent randos.
The USS Gerald Ford and her battle group are heading to these waters now.
This ^^^ ... ...
You do realize lower interest rates is not healthy for the dollar as it makes our debt less attractive for the rest of the world to buy it...
Without that happening this entire pozi scheme unravels and we invest in wheelbarrows while our military tries to convince the world to change it's mind and continue to prop up the bloated $$$..
Eagler
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 25, 2025, 08:08:17 AM
Clinton was the last to leave with a surplus and the most money of any president by several degrees with $236 billion left.
Sure that flies well here.
Trump 1 left office in the red with a $3T deficit. Thats trillion with a T.
Clinton's spending with the democrats with the republican takeover of congress, which coincidentally was the first republican congress in decades.
The republican tax cuts have resulted in record revenue. Both in the nineties and since the 2017 tax cuts. So, yeah, tax cuts work, even Kennedy said it.
Title: Re: Declaration of war on drug lords..
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 25, 2025, 08:11:30 AM