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Title: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: hitech on February 14, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 14, 2020, 10:11:52 AM
Can you elaborate on that please, Hitech? What's the difference now compared to the "violator landed 4 kills in a 109g14 of..." or "you shot down "" #4.

Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Spikes on February 14, 2020, 10:15:10 AM
If I had to guess I believe all kills are now broadcasted arena wide. I know in Combat Challenge we oops'd that a few times.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: hitech on February 14, 2020, 10:36:15 AM
Can you elaborate on that please, Hitech? What's the difference now compared to the "violator landed 4 kills in a 109g14 of..." or "you shot down "" #4.

A message "x shot down y" is broadcast on every kill. This was how it was before we went into the huge growth spurt.

HiTech
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Lazerr on February 14, 2020, 11:13:02 AM
Thank you!  Should create a nice buzz in the arena.  Much needed.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 14, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
I remember that well. Also remember how the text went crazy when we had a bunch on.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Drano on February 14, 2020, 11:26:08 AM
A Kill Has Been Recorded!


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Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: waystin2 on February 14, 2020, 11:26:24 AM
YO boy.  I member them days.   :devil
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Drano on February 14, 2020, 11:27:32 AM
Thank you!  Should create a nice buzz in the arena.  Much needed.

Speaking of which...been a while.


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Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: CptTrips on February 14, 2020, 11:44:47 AM
A message "x shot down y" is broadcast on every kill. This was how it was before we went into the huge growth spurt.

HiTech


I always preferred it that way.

Let's hope we get enough players to make it a problem again.  ;)


Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Lazerr on February 14, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
Speaking of which...been a while.


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You be flying tonight?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Vinkman on February 14, 2020, 02:22:21 PM

My suspicion is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

 What impact do you suspect it to have?  ;)
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: scott66 on February 14, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
While I enjoy landing a few kills every now and then... I'm not keen on broadcasting exactly how many times I truly die :neener: now my name will be up there allot more than I hoped :bhead
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: pallero on February 14, 2020, 02:58:14 PM
Yep, i'll be back when its turned off again.
All important messages will be lost because of those unimportant messages.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: turt21 on February 14, 2020, 03:01:07 PM
yes being able to turn it off works for me as well, although it doesnt seem like thats possible
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on February 14, 2020, 03:02:21 PM
It will identify the spawn/runway campers/vulchers and the too often lemming that repeatedly launch into the camp.
This could be interesting to watch. :joystick:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: hitech on February 14, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
yes being able to turn it off works for me as well, although it doesnt seem like thats possible

Mouse over text window/ right click all tab/ select edit settings. / Uncheck system messages.

Also if you wish you can create a new tab that then has only the system messages. And then if you wish drag the new tab out to make it's own window.

HiTEch
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: lunatic1 on February 14, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Yep, i'll be back when its turned off again.
All important messages will be lost because of those unimportant messages.

Not gonna be turned off
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 14, 2020, 04:12:39 PM
While I enjoy landing a few kills every now and then... I'm not keen on broadcasting exactly how many times I truly die :neener: now my name will be up there allot more than I hoped :bhead

I will be on tonight..... making notes..... find scott and say "HI".
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 14, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
I for one like it,
especially since i learned you can pop them into their own window.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: scott66 on February 14, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
I will be on tonight..... making notes..... find scott and say "HI".
you keep that damn 38 away from me shuffy!!!
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: molybdenum on February 14, 2020, 06:16:48 PM
Most old-time players find having the text buffer flooded with formation of no reverence to them very annoying. It makes it more difficult to communicate with teammates, for one thing. More importantly, however, one cannot turn it off without losing other messages that actually mean something, such as DT command data and what damage (if any) you have done to an enemy town or base. Can this pretty-please be tweaked so that, if you turn off the "who killed whom" messages, that's all that goes away?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: guncrasher on February 14, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
you keep that damn 38 away from me shuffy!!!

what's the matter he can't fly for crap.  but he does make a great margaritas with all stick stirring.


semp
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Meatwad on February 14, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
I remember seeing those many a year ago
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Lazerr on February 14, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Disable it for gvs.. one or two spawn camps ruins the buffer.

Unfortunately, that is gv play these days.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: CAV on February 14, 2020, 07:51:25 PM
This was unneeded......... turn it off again.

CAV
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Simon on February 14, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
Disable it for gvs.. one or two spawn camps ruins the buffer.

Unfortunately, that is gv play these days.

This.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 14, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
Mouse over text window/ right click all tab/ select edit settings. / Uncheck system messages.

Also if you wish you can create a new tab that then has only the system messages. And then if you wish drag the new tab out to make it's own window.

HiTEch


Hitech literally told you how to kill it if you didn't like and and how to manage it so it doesn't interfere with player to player text.

and yet, the debate goes on... .


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Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: popeye on February 14, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
Certainly does create a sense of activity in the MA.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on February 14, 2020, 09:50:53 PM
Mouse over text window/ right click all tab/ select edit settings. / Uncheck system messages.

Also if you wish you can create a new tab that then has only the system messages. And then if you wish drag the new tab out to make it's own window.

HiTEch
Completely simple to do and takes 30 seconds, then all the adrenaline slowly leaves after hyperventilating about it.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: atlau on February 14, 2020, 11:05:43 PM
True but removing the host messages causes you to lose the other important host messages that some people care about. Maybe change the kill text to a different color from the other host messages?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 15, 2020, 12:13:08 AM
it may just be me but it seemed to push people to be a bit more aggressive.
this is a good thing there were some good fights going on.

also it exposed a bit of what i can only assume was score padding.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 15, 2020, 12:33:15 AM
what's the matter he can't fly for crap.  but he does make a great margaritas with all stick stirring.


semp

 :neener:

 :aok
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BTPommyB on February 15, 2020, 12:46:56 AM
Please revert to previous messaging ASAP.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 15, 2020, 01:15:30 AM
If the kill messages were off and we had 250, 300, maybe 400 folks on, the text would be flying the same. In fact it would probably be much faster.

Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 15, 2020, 01:22:41 AM
Please revert to previous messaging ASAP.


Try this:

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Mouse over text window/ right click all tab/ select edit settings. / Uncheck system messages.

Also if you wish you can create a new tab that then has only the system messages. And then if you wish drag the new tab out to make it's own window.

HiTEch
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: FESS67 on February 15, 2020, 02:00:24 AM

Try this:

You understand that by doing that you also disable other, useful, system messages?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 15, 2020, 02:05:38 AM
You understand that by doing that you also disable other, useful, system messages?

Like what? so and so landed x number of kills or x amount of damage? Map will reset in x amount of minutes?

It shouldn't kill messages from admins or moderators or those that run special events. I don't believe they are system messages.




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Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: FESS67 on February 15, 2020, 04:42:12 AM
Like what? so and so landed x number of kills or x amount of damage? Map will reset in x amount of minutes?

It shouldn't kill messages from admins or moderators or those that run special events. I don't believe they are system messages.




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Been a while since I flew but manual trim state springs to mind.  There are others which I cannot remember but they give valuable intelligence as to where and what is happening. For me these were important attributes.  I would not expect someone of your skill level to understand but in time you may develop a better appreciation of the finer nuances of the game.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: TWCAxew on February 15, 2020, 05:21:52 AM
Now this is a reason for me to get gud again :devil

Dutch
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: dbh on February 15, 2020, 06:41:53 AM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

It could well further discourage newbies, those who have not $invested$ in the top notch hardware, and so forth to know that their every failure against the 20+ year "experts" who play most every day for hours will be on display every time. And we all know that newbies and non-experts get killed a *lot*. Is this really what we want? Drive away the newbies? Isn't just getting killed a lot frustrating enough? Now we rub salt in wound...
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: popeye on February 15, 2020, 07:08:52 AM
It could well further discourage newbies, those who have not $invested$ in the top notch hardware, and so forth to know that their every failure against the 20+ year "experts" who play most every day for hours will be on display every time. And we all know that newbies and non-experts get killed a *lot*. Is this really what we want? Drive away the newbies? Isn't just getting killed a lot frustrating enough? Now we rub salt in wound...

A valid point, but from what I saw last night with 100 online, their name will be in lights for only about 22.5 milliseconds before it scrolls out of the message window.   :D
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: dbh on February 15, 2020, 07:11:30 AM
It could well further discourage newbies, those who have not $invested$ in the top notch hardware, and so forth to know that their every failure against the 20+ year "experts" who play most every day for hours will be on display every time. And we all know that newbies and non-experts get killed a *lot*. Is this really what we want? Drive away the newbies? Isn't just getting killed a lot frustrating enough? Now we rub salt in wound...

You could really put some punch in the "name in lights" thing by using a system message like this:

"NewbieDweeb has been killed for the 32nd time today by THEJUGGLER who has 65 kills today"

That should encourage the newbs to either get their silly act together or simply quit AH.

Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: TWCAxew on February 15, 2020, 07:27:35 AM
You could really put some punch in the "name in lights" thing by using a system message like this:

"NewbieDweeb has been killed for the 32nd time today by THEJUGGLER who has 65 kills today"

That should encourage the newbs to either get their silly act together or simply quit AH.

Or we should hunt the newb killer and put him in his place  :devil I see all new sorts of AH goals before me, watch out newb killer the newb protection squad is on its way to the arena  :police:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 15, 2020, 07:28:39 AM
Been a while since I flew but manual trim state springs to mind.  There are others which I cannot remember but they give valuable intelligence as to where and what is happening. For me these were important attributes.  I would not expect someone of your skill level to understand but in time you may develop a better appreciation of the finer nuances of the game.

Do you mean combat trim? You can check your manual trim positions by looking at your instruments... . You know, finer nuances of the game... .


Combat Trim OFF

(https://i.ibb.co/1rFpKSK/Combat-Trim-Off.jpg)



Combat Trim On

(https://i.ibb.co/yf0yY51/Combat-Trimm-On.jpg)



 :salute
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: popeye on February 15, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
On the other hand, a newb will get to see some of his first 'single kills' in lights, before he is able to land two.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: wrench on February 15, 2020, 08:17:26 AM
I like it!  :aok

and if you don't like it you can turn it off
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: waystin2 on February 15, 2020, 08:17:34 AM
It sure keeps the country channel generals quiet.  :D
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: dbh on February 15, 2020, 09:27:51 AM
and if you don't like it you can turn it off

The Newb cannot turn off what all others can see, and he knows it.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BuckShot on February 15, 2020, 10:08:21 AM
The current setup is obnoxious.

If you change system messages to another tab you have to click to that tab just to see pertinent information like:

Base captures
LANDED kills: friend, self, and foe.
Object destruction
CV maneuvers
Dot commands

Even if you switch system messages to another tab it's hard to glean pertinent info from the x killed x spam. It all blends in.

If you're  going to keep it like this, please make separate check boxes for the different system message types.

If you can't do that, please make each system message type a different color.

If you can't do those, please switch it back to the way it was before kill spam.

Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on February 15, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
It could well further discourage newbies, those who have not $invested$ in the top notch hardware, and so forth to know that their every failure against the 20+ year "experts" who play most every day for hours will be on display every time. And we all know that newbies and non-experts get killed a *lot*. Is this really what we want? Drive away the newbies? Isn't just getting killed a lot frustrating enough? Now we rub salt in wound...
On the other hand, it also shows the 2 week newbie killing the 20yr expert.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Volron on February 15, 2020, 12:01:31 PM
Do you mean combat trim? You can check your manual trim positions by looking at your instruments... . You know, finer nuances of the game... .


Combat Trim OFF

(https://i.ibb.co/1rFpKSK/Combat-Trim-Off.jpg)



Combat Trim On

(https://i.ibb.co/yf0yY51/Combat-Trimm-On.jpg)



 :salute


You actually look at your instrument panel!?

(https://i.imgur.com/SCIa8Im.jpg)


 :P
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: The Fugitive on February 15, 2020, 12:04:22 PM
I havent had a chance to fly yet since this has been turned on ( a few more hours to go! WooHoo!) but Im looking forward to seeing it. This is how it was years ago as well as in Air Warrior. I looking forward to it just for the nostalgic point of view.

I think Hitech should run it a week or two and then put a vote up in the "message of the day" thing and have everyone vote ya or nay as they log in.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 15, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
I think a vote would be good.

Not sure if I really like this. Sort of defeats the purpose of landing your kills and everyone admiring your landed kills.

Not sure It should say how many kills the person has acquired every time they shoot a player down.

It's going to give away players by telling everyone who just killed your friendly. I think may open the door to ganging players because they know who it is now. Kind of gives away the stealth aspect now that everyone knows it's you.

Perhaps the system messages should be in a smaller box at the top of your screen for player kills if this is going to stand. While I understand you can do that manually. No one is going to know how unless they come to the boards and very few come to the boards.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: popeye on February 15, 2020, 12:37:54 PM
It makes for entertaining reading on those lonely resupply flights.    :D
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 15, 2020, 01:06:07 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/KV68mNc/ah2window.jpg)
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: diaster on February 15, 2020, 01:08:32 PM
Do you mean combat trim? You can check your manual trim positions by looking at your instruments... . You know, finer nuances of the game... ..

Are you just trolling or seriously don’t get it? I will spell it out for you then. Two things, 1st The message window acts as a mini-hud. The less you have to look down, the better, basic in real world cockpit management! You know finer nuances of combat n all. 2nd, the window is great source of intell but if it scrolls hella fast, you miss it.  I won’t get into it but so and so landing x damage or kills or cv such and such was just moved, tells me a lot more than so and so killed somebody and now has his second kill etc. it has been years, I mean a lot of years since this was system was used? No real complaints from me however, I for one, simply don’t see the need
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 15, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
also things like combat trim have a readily available display in all the cockpits already, in my image above below the two text boxes there is a green light and a red light.
the green is combat trim, the red autopilot.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 15, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
I didnt even know about this right click stuff with the messages box. Didnt even know you could change the font size. Wow.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: FESS67 on February 15, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
also things like combat trim have a readily available display in all the cockpits already, in my image above below the two text boxes there is a green light and a red light.
the green is combat trim, the red autopilot.

Works well unless you are colour blind. 
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 15, 2020, 01:53:13 PM
Works well unless you are colour blind.

touche, i have a buddy who is. he recommends using one of the available software filters to make the entire pc experience a bit better.
maybe https://www.ryobi-sol.co.jp/visolve/en/

this just shifts the colorblind colors to ones you can see for everything. meaning you never miss out on details because you cant see the color.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on February 15, 2020, 01:59:37 PM
Disable it for gvs.. one or two spawn camps ruins the buffer.

Unfortunately, that is gv play these days.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zX7PwNsr/camp.jpg)
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: mora on February 15, 2020, 02:46:52 PM
I gave it a chance but really this thing needs to go. It ruins the communications inside the country. Most people won't turn them off, so me turning them off won't solve the problem. Besides I want and need the other host messages and would also like to see the landed kill/destruction messages in order to be able to congratulate fellow countrymen. HT has a great point and I'm all for improvements, but this just doesn't improve anything in it's current form.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: hitech on February 15, 2020, 03:00:57 PM
Please tell me everyone knows about the tilde key.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: FESS67 on February 15, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
Please tell me everyone knows about the tilde key.

I'll bite.  I know where it is, what does it do in game?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: 1stpar3 on February 15, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
I'll bite.  I know where it is, what does it do in game?
It expands the "window size" of the chat buffer. You can set it to show 2 lines of text, then hit tilde key and it expands to as many lines you want. Click and drag the edges and such till you see what you want. While I had the "2 window" option up, the tilde key would shrink one and expand the other.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: FESS67 on February 15, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
oh yeah that.  I remember that now.

The problem is that does nothing to address the problem which is people are complaining they are getting spammed by the system and are not able to effectively filter out the unwanted spam. Making the window bigger or smaller is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on February 15, 2020, 03:25:11 PM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech
Out of curiosity, how was the angst, wailing and rending of clothes when you first turned the feature off years ago ?
As bad as this weekend ?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: fd ski on February 15, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
is there a manouver kill message as well ? ;)
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Vulcan on February 15, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
FWIW I like the kill messages, but playing in VR I usually have this window moved out of sight, and only glance at it when I need too.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 15, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
Are you just trolling or seriously donít get it? I will spell it out for you then. Two things, 1st The message window acts as a mini-hud.

The mini "heads up display" is in the top right of your screen, not in the chat buffer.


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The less you have to look down, the better, basic in real world cockpit management! You know finer nuances of combat n all.

familiarizing yourself with the cockpit of the aircraft you chose to fly to gain a better understanding of basic cockpit management. You know, for the nuances of combat n' all?


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2nd, the window is great source of intell but if it scrolls hella fast, you miss it.


Y'all are making it sound like the text is going warp 9. You can always use the ~  <----- Tilde Key to expand the chat buffer to retrieve what ever information you might need, right?

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I wonít get into it but so and so landing x damage or kills or cv such and such was just moved, tells me a lot more than so and so killed somebody and now has his second kill etc. It has been years, I mean a lot of years since this was system was used? No real complaints from me however, I for one, simply donít see the need

The "Useless" Pilot A killed Pilot B text is far more important than you realize. This speaks volumes to someone logging in to the arena to gauge server activity. Before this was enabled again, you had a pretty stagnant chat buffer with the usual chat messages: Player X moved a CV, Player X landed some points, base X was captured by country X. Those don't necessarily show that there is a lot of activity. It shows that a few people did a couple of things.

Take the rolling Player X killed Player X and combine it with Player X moved a CV, Player X landed some points, base X was captured by country X and you have a very detailed and current situational understanding of what is actually happening in the arena.

These complaints also kind of disprove the "I can't find a fight!" crowd as the complaints have been all about how the "Kill notifications" are spamming the chat buffer. Cause' let's face it, if you couldn't find a fight the kill notifications would be silent, right?



 :salute













Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: mora on February 15, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
I know about the tilde key! Anyway, Lazer just explained how open multiple windows. It works about perfectly with host messages in a separate window. No need to cry anymore.https://imgur.com/a/L1FZJLF
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: CAV on February 15, 2020, 05:25:37 PM

Looks to me AH is taking another step towards being an arcade game... and away from being a combat simulation.

Not being a member of the Furballers - Spawn Camper Club I don't care for this return of a new/old feature.

 
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BBQsam on February 15, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
I know about the tilde key! Anyway, Lazer just explained how open multiple windows. It works about perfectly with host messages in a separate window. No need to cry anymore.

Hi there mora <Salute>   What do you mean "open multiple windows" ?  Is there a way to have 2 different text buffer windows open at the same time??
(note: I do know how to have multi tabs of different text buffer types)
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: mora on February 15, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Me neither but I'm fine with as there is an "opt out" after all.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: mora on February 15, 2020, 05:32:33 PM
Hi there mora <Salute>   What do you mean "open multiple windows" ?  Is there a way to have 2 different text buffer windows open at the same time??
(note: I do know how to have multi tabs of different text buffer types)
<S>
Drag the second tab out of the buffer and a new buffer will open.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Devil 505 on February 15, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
I like the addition in concept, but not in execution.

What I'd change...

Plane/vehicle type added after the player's name. Just use the shorthand the icons use.

Remove the streak counter. This only inflates the ego of some players and further encourages camping behavior.

Separate instant kill messages from other host messages, including landed kills messages.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: scott66 on February 15, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Is hitech still giving out a free set of steak knives for those that land the most kills? .... I'm asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: TWCAxew on February 15, 2020, 05:45:59 PM
I like the addition in concept, but not in execution.

What I'd change...

Plane/vehicle type added after the player's name. Just use the shorthand the icons use.

Remove the streak counter. This only inflates the ego of some players and further encourages camping behavior.

Separate instant kill messages from other host messages, including landed kills messages.

+1
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BBQsam on February 15, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
<S>
Drag the second tab out of the buffer and a new buffer will open.

WHOOT it Works!  Thanks mora
<Salute>
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: hitech on February 15, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
BTW the tab stuff is at least 20 years old.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Oldman731 on February 15, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Is hitech still giving out a free set of steak knives for those that land the most kills? .... I'm asking for a friend.


Hah!

- oldman
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 15, 2020, 07:39:45 PM
The current setup is obnoxious.

If you change system messages to another tab you have to click to that tab just to see pertinent information like:

Base captures
LANDED kills: friend, self, and foe.
Object destruction
CV maneuvers
Dot commands

Even if you switch system messages to another tab it's hard to glean pertinent info from the x killed x spam. It all blends in.

If you're  going to keep it like this, please make separate check boxes for the different system message types.

If you can't do that, please make each system message type a different color.

If you can't do those, please switch it back to the way it was before kill spam.

So if it is useful to you... leave it in game. If you do not like it... take it out of the game. LOL
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Mano on February 15, 2020, 07:49:56 PM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

Great idea!   For Gv'ers we have not seen battles like these in years. The enthusiasm and laughter is like the good old days  Make AH addicting again. I hope it has the same effect for the fighter pilots and bombers. IMHO

 :salute
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Mano on February 15, 2020, 07:55:07 PM
While I enjoy landing a few kills every now and then... I'm not keen on broadcasting exactly how many times I truly die :neener: now my name will be up there allot more than I hoped :bhead

It was good to see my buddy Airjer in lights again,  even though maybe he was not to happy about it.  :D  I think I had 14 and Tyfoo got at least 20.  :rofl

On the next map it just might be the other way around. Glad your back Scotty.

 :salute
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: molybdenum on February 15, 2020, 08:23:45 PM
Again, isn't there a way to disable the kill messages but keep the DT command/what damage you just did data intact? This two tab system is awkward, especially when you're busy trying to survive bad guys.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Meatwad on February 15, 2020, 09:45:15 PM
Before it used to give the kill message and what the person was in

"X shot down Y in a jeep"
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Lazerr on February 15, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
Before it used to give the kill message and what the person was in

"X shot down Y in a jeep"

Yup, and the squad association.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: medic341 on February 15, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

I don't post on here often, This garbage needs to go !!
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Mongoose on February 16, 2020, 12:19:42 AM
  I think it's embarrassing for everyone to see how many times I get killed.   :bolt:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Oldman731 on February 16, 2020, 12:20:31 AM
I don't post on here often, This garbage needs to go !!


Or not!  One of the beneficial side effects is that it cuts down on the text abuse.  No more "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair" chest thumping.

On the down side, also no more "Good to see you guys again, Fork and Puma, how's tricks?"

Let's see how it works out over the next month or so.  Certainly it focuses you more on the combat and less on the conversation.

- oldman
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 16, 2020, 04:55:14 AM
  I think it's embarrassing for everyone to see how many times I get killed.   :bolt:

LOL
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ramesis on February 16, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
  I think it's embarrassing for everyone to see how many times I get killed.   :bolt:

I rarely get kills... so I don't really care 1 way or another  :aok
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: scott66 on February 16, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
It was good to see my buddy Airjer in lights again,  even though maybe he was not to happy about it.  :D  I think I had 14 and Tyfoo got at least 20.  :rofl

On the next map it just might be the other way around. Glad your back Scotty.

 :salute
it was great to see you my friend... Sorry I had to bail out early I am new to twitch streaming my game play and I wanted to see how many gigs it used and how it looked considering I'm doing it in a truck
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: 1stpar3 on February 17, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
it was great to see you my friend... Sorry I had to bail out early I am new to twitch streaming my game play and I wanted to see how many gigs it used and how it looked considering I'm doing it in a truck
What are you doing in a truck? "Twitching"...is it contagious :rofl Eh, had to do it...dont get to chat very often, with you not on country...still love ya,Scotty :devil Fly brewsters in truck-CHECK. Twitching(?) in truck-QUESTIONABLE :rofl
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: AKQwik on February 17, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
I flew Fri & Sat, I Don't Like It!
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Scca on February 17, 2020, 06:39:01 PM
Itís annoying.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: plink on February 17, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
As is it is currently implemented is a major detriment to the game.
Adding filtering of types of system messages would be great!

The TAB info is really news (even if it's been around 20 years) I never heard of it either.
And dragging the tabs to allow multiple text windows is cool too.
Can have one tab for each channel or group of channels.
But... system messages still need to allow filtering.

PLINK
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Gooss on February 17, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
I like it. Somewhat engaging during climbouts, etc.

Which is most likely the benefit. Keeps those with ADD and unfiltered mouths occupied.

Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Slate on February 17, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
As is it is currently implemented is a major detriment to the game.
Adding filtering of types of system messages would be great!

The TAB info is really news (even if it's been around 20 years) I never heard of it either.
And dragging the tabs to allow multiple text windows is cool too.
Can have one tab for each channel or group of channels.
But... system messages still need to allow filtering.

PLINK

Mouse over text window/ right click all tab/ select edit settings. / Uncheck system messages.

Also if you wish you can create a new tab that then has only the system messages. And then if you wish drag the new tab out to make it's own window.

HiTEch
  Yes I disabled system messages but then miss a lot of other important info. still have to wade through much un needed kill info. One thing I was surprised how often players were getting killed, so much for those who say they can't find a fight LOL
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: mustng2 on February 17, 2020, 08:18:31 PM
The system messages need to have an option to eliminate the running string of who killed who.  Just make that an individual check box.  My vote is those are not helping the game.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: oakranger on February 19, 2020, 03:58:11 PM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

+400 people?  Is AH getting numbers back up?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: medic341 on February 19, 2020, 04:23:44 PM
  Yes I disabled system messages but then miss a lot of other important info. still have to wade through much un needed kill info. One thing I was surprised how often players were getting killed, so much for those who say they can't find a fight LOL

There's usually a fight Slate :)  :x

I remember well trying to get on when we had 400+ in one arena back in AHII days. I don't think we ever get close to those numbers these days.  :bhead Although there are a few things I'd like to see changed in the game, I can live with them for the most part. I've tried shutting the SYSTEM MESSAGES off, but like you I need that information to support my countrymen in real time game play and fire out a kudos to other players when I want. Please give us some options to disable this and keep or country system messages. :joystick:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: medic341 on February 19, 2020, 04:26:29 PM
  Yes I disabled system messages but then miss a lot of other important info. still have to wade through much un needed kill info. One thing I was surprised how often players were getting killed, so much for those who say they can't find a fight LOL

There's usually a fight Slate :)  :x Thank you for the vehicle supplies yesterday  :aok

I remember well trying to get on when we had 400+ in one arena back in AHII days. I don't think we ever get close to those numbers these days.  :bhead Although there are a few things I'd like to see changed in the game, I can live with them for the most part. I've tried shutting the SYSTEM MESSAGES off, but like you I need that information to support my countrymen in real time game play and fire out a kudos to other players when I want. Please give us some options to disable this and keep or country system messages. :joystick:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Chris79 on February 19, 2020, 04:31:15 PM
I like it, the downside being, it makes trolling 200 more difficult.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 19, 2020, 04:56:47 PM
I like it, the downside being, it makes trolling 200 more difficult.

I noticed they had moved back under their bridges.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Eagler on February 21, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
Should be able to disable the single kills from other system messages.

Tank kills should state something besides " shot down" as that is not what happens.

Overall I find it another reason to mute.

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 21, 2020, 10:48:29 AM
Shot up?   :devil
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Excaliber on February 21, 2020, 01:57:51 PM
A valid point, but from what I saw last night with 100 online, their name will be in lights for only about 22.5 milliseconds before it scrolls out of the message window.   :D

Has me working two text buffers and working harder than I want in or out of a fight. Just a lot of unnecessary additional clutter in the text buffer. Besides, I like it when it says I landed 12 kills in a Brewster. I don't like it telling the frek'n world I just had my arse handed to me 6 times.  :neener:
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Molsman on February 22, 2020, 12:22:49 AM
While I enjoy landing a few kills every now and then... I'm not keen on broadcasting exactly how many times I truly die :neener: now my name will be up there allot more than I hoped :bhead

You always loved your name in Neon Libhts just like me hahahaha
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: SAAMIAM on February 22, 2020, 12:33:40 AM
I turned kill messages on in the melee arena. They had been turned off do to buffer flooding when we had +400 people in an arena.

My suspension is it will have a significant game play impact.

HiTech

I think its great but I also feel you can streamline it a bit to be more effecient..
Currently if I make a kill or get killed I get 3 host messages instantly
1) host message OBX shot down saamiam
2) host message You were shot down by obx
3) host message you have been killed

I feel that the first message would be sufficient enough to inform me that I was killed.. as if blowing up and finding myself back inside the tower was not enough of an indicator.. lol
Just one host message seen by all is both informative and suffecient for me.
Just a thought
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: toasted on February 22, 2020, 12:38:55 AM
I think its great but I also feel you can streamline it a bit to be more effecient..
Currently if I make a kill or get killed I get 3 host messages instantly
1) host message OBX shot down saamiam
2) host message You were shot down by obx
3) host message you have been killed

I feel that the first message would be sufficient enough to inform me that I was killed.. as if blowing up and finding myself back inside the tower was not enough of an indicator.. lol
Just one host message seen by all is both informative and suffecient for me.
Just a thought

yes, please!

bonus points if your name is a different color than everyone elses.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BTPommyB on February 22, 2020, 07:07:27 AM
Can we just have the message settings that we had before as an option.

It has changed the game dynamic a lot.

Some seem to like it but I am thinking of leaving.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Lazerr on February 22, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
yes, please!

bonus points if your name is a different color than everyone elses.
 

I thought thisntoo
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Ciaphas on February 24, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Can we just have the message settings that we had before as an option.

It has changed the game dynamic a lot.

Some seem to like it but I am thinking of leaving.


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Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: BTPommyB on February 25, 2020, 06:22:46 AM
I have discontinued my subscription.
It has been fun.
Bye y'all.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: atlau on February 25, 2020, 08:04:51 AM
I have discontinued my subscription.
It has been fun.
Bye y'all.

Wow that didnt take much...
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Arlo on February 25, 2020, 08:33:15 AM
Guess he couldn't find his settings?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Shuffler on February 25, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
Wow a lot joined. Wonder if he was the problem?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: molybdenum on February 26, 2020, 07:33:36 PM
Wow that didnt take much...

Final straw?
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: molybdenum on February 26, 2020, 07:36:29 PM
Seriously, the new "everyone killed everyone" thing is moderately annoying, but imo it's not enough to drive ppl away from game. There certainly should be an opt-out though that doesn't destroy other useful data without potentially having to switch from one tab to another in the middle of a fight.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: popeye on February 27, 2020, 01:33:49 AM
Several players have suggested work-arounds.  You can create a second message window tab for the System messages (including the kill messages), and drag that tab to create a second window.  Then use the Message Window Size (tilde) key command to toggle the size of the windows.  I have a controller button mapped to toggle window size.
 
I have two windows, one that normally shows two lines of System messages and one that shows 4 lines of all other messages.  Both expand to 10 lines using the window size toggle.  This allows me to read Country channel messages without kill messages scrolling past, and expand the System messages when I need to see 'object destroyed', salvo, etc.
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Mano on February 29, 2020, 12:07:15 AM
ďName in LightsĒ is working.  i have not seen this much enthusiasm in years.
I see my usual buddies chuckling on range. That makes the game fun.
Even Scottie is laughiní . Scottie rarely laughs   :D :D :D

IMHO of course 

 :salute
Title: Re: Do not underestimate the power of name in lights.
Post by: Gman on February 29, 2020, 02:24:13 AM
Hah, I remember asking for this to be reinstated a few years back, as I had many fond memories of the instant messaging in this department.  It was fun for so many reasons.  Worth a re sub in my case at least.