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« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2004, 10:25:01 AM »
you guys miss the point... someday someone will prove that the theory of heat transfer is all wrong.   I don't have anything invested in the theory and don't care if it is right or wrong..  I care that If I touch the other end of a piece of metal that I just welded that I will get burned.

I am glad that scientists create things for me and don't care that they mostly blundered into em.  We all experiment in our own ways.   I build ammo and fast cars.  I am often wrong and don't know why... I am often right and don't fully understand why.   pretense is what I abhor.   To claim to understand or to even be able to understand the universe is the hieght of arrogance to me.

religion or more accurately, faith... does not make things but it has been know to improve lives personaly and on a global basis.   I have no more scorn for someone who explains the universe in religious terms than one who claims to know the answers scientificaly.

they are both full of it.

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« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2004, 10:49:33 AM »
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hence we return to my original statement.  in my opinion it takes more faith to accept what science is teaching with regard to origin and evolution than to accept the creationist view.  to me intelligent design is way more palatable.


Science has absolutely nothing to do with faith. Is your "Creation" open to study and possible debunking? Science is full of errors and reformations BECAUSE it is science. Debunking is INVITED.

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« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2004, 01:58:29 PM »
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The ultimate answer remains uncertian in the mind of mortals.


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« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2004, 02:25:53 PM »
exactly do the dinosaurs fall into place as they've been carbon dated to several billion years old?

A correction, there is no carbon dating of dinosaurs. There's nothing left to date, all biological material has been replaced by stone.
Even if it were (anything left) C14 is only good for about 40000 years IIRC.

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« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2004, 02:31:45 PM »
...Jesus' geneology is very clearly spell out in Matthew 1: 1-16 back to Abraham and in Luke 3: 23-37 back to God

Miko get a spell checker then call me dumb. I dismiss the theory of memetics even more off hand than i do darwinism.

Meme: An information pattern held in inividual's memory which is

:rofl

I can see why miko didn't think this worthy of a reply but I couldn't resist.


Hence my original statement: It takes much more faith to be a darwinist than it does to be a creationist.
Occam's Razor.

2. No way in hell I'm going to hell because I'm saved by Grace. (fire away, and no it ain't a girl)
Don't be to sure, while not very well versed in the Sin manual I seem to recall that pride is one of the biggest ones :)

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« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2004, 02:39:10 PM »
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And you have studied quantum physics to say that?
go get your money if you have studied it,,i guess its a million dollars,,i was  alittle low there,,lol,,here is what you need to prove to get your money
Criteria for winning
Major issues

Applicants must provide

A. a well-conceived, detailed hypothetical mechanism explaining how the rise of genetic instructions sufficient to give rise to life as defined in "Definitions" below might have occurred in Nature by natural processes, and an

B. empirical correlation to the real world of biochemistry and molecular biology - not just mathematical or computer models - of how the prescriptive information characteristic of all known living organisms might have arisen.

The mechanism must address four topics:


The simplest known genome's apparent anticipation and directing of future events toward biological ends, both metabolic and structural;

The ability of the genome to convey instructions, deliver orders, and actually produce the needed biological end-products;

The indirectness of recipe-like biological "linguistic" message code - the gap between genotypic prescriptive information (instruction) and phenotypic expression. How did the first genetic instruction arise in its coded format prior to phenotypic realization of progeny from which the environment could select? If a protobiont's genetic code and phenotype were one and the same, how did such a simple system self-organize to meet the nine minimum conditions of "life" enumerated below under "Definitions"? How did stellar energy, the four known forces of physics (strong and weak nuclear forces, electromagnetic force, and gravity), and natural processes produce initial prescriptive information (instruction/recipe) using direct or indirect code?

The bizarre concentration of singlehanded optical isomers (homochirality of enantiomers) in living things - how did a relatively pure population of left-handed amino acids or right-handed sugars arise out of a chemical environment wherein reactions ordinarily give rise to roughly equal numbers of both right- and left-handed optical isomers?

http://www.us.net/life/index.htm

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« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2004, 02:57:53 PM »
midnight Target: The act of publishing IS a review process. There is no formal "peer review" for scientific studies or announcements! The 1st to publish gets the credit. I figured you would know this.

 :) I figured you know what "the act of publishing was" when talking about scientific publishing.

 It works like that. A scientists submits a paper to the serious industry journal. That journal sends the copies of the paper to several experts - without supplying the author's name in many cases. The experts make a conclusion whether the work has any merit. Only after that the paper may be published and subjected to further peer review. After a few rounds of publications and counter-publications the resulting point makes its way into popular publications and to the politicians.

 Many scientists post their unpublished works on the web right now for anyone to make comments.

 If Mr. Sagan followed that venue, somone like Bjorn Lomborg could have saved him from making a total fool out of himself.



storch:is it not also true that radioactive decay of every sort is not as constant as it was once thought to be

 The rate of radioactive decay is based on the so called weak forces acting inside the nucleus of an atom. If there is anything more stable in the universe over the last ten billion years, it's the universal constants reflecting those forces. Any change in them that would affect any results noticeably would probaby be a good indication of a supernatural influence. I am sure God could affect intranuclear interactions but not much else.

 The change in constants affecting intranuclear interactions  would have been clearly wisible in change of the way stars burn - if they burned at all or kept from exploding. If you claim that there were such changes within last few billion years, we would still be able to observe the difference in behavior of stars light from which takes hundreds of millios of years to reach us.


myelo: Personally, I don’t like relativity. Because I would like to travel faster than the speed of light.

 That sentense while being semantically correct does not make sence because you use the wrong concept of "speed" where it is not applicable. There is no speed faster than speed of light. Speed of light is the infinite speed and only seems finite from our perspective. If you traveled with the speed of light you would arrive anywhere in zero time - which means that it is infinite speed.

 It may be hard to comprehend untill you realise that the concepts of time, space, distance and speed that we use in everyday vernacular evolved to denote a very narrow environment that our ancestors lived in.


hyena426: How did the first genetic instruction arise in its coded format prior to phenotypic realization of progeny from which the environment could select

 That presumes that the DNA->protein self-replicating machinery was the original one to exist. Most likely it was not the case. It many have been some other - or even many other stages that produced complexity and eventually DNA and proteins - which then took off and used the previously existing forms for food, which is why we do not have any examles of non DNA->protein lifeforms around.

 For all we know, the first self-replicating entities may have been silicone crystalline types to which ferr-floating organic molecules eventually attached and concentrated.

 miko

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« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2004, 03:10:30 PM »
"...aight. I put on my robe and wizard's hat..."

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« Reply #113 on: January 23, 2004, 04:41:47 PM »
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Only after that the paper may be published and subjected to further peer review. After a few rounds of publications and counter-publications the resulting point makes its way into popular publications and to the politicians.


Do you just make this watermelon up?

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« Reply #114 on: January 23, 2004, 04:45:35 PM »
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I'll make it easier for you than the hyena has.

1. Take a couple of boxes of the game scrabble
2. Remove the letter blocks
3. Toss into the air until what lands on the ground is a grammatically correct and punctuated short sentance in perfect spacing and in perfect sequence.

if you can do that I'll believe in the big bang.

Miko I'm reading up as fast as i can Thankyou for your response.


Silly math.

What were the chances of you talking to someone named Midnight Target on the internet?

Midnight Target = 14 letters

26 possible letters in each slot = 26*26*26*26.. 14 times.

Basically, it is impossible for us to talk... but we have!

I must be god.

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« Reply #115 on: January 23, 2004, 07:20:15 PM »
Go read-up on your thermodynamics. Entropy exists in a closed system. The input of energy opens the system. Even if you consider the entire universe as a closed system you can have the exact opposite of entropy in many areas of the system based upon the energy input.

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« Reply #116 on: January 24, 2004, 02:02:20 AM »
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myelo: Personally, I don’t like relativity. Because I would like to travel faster than the speed of light.

 That sentense while being semantically correct does not make sence because you use the wrong concept of "speed" where it is not applicable. There is no speed faster than speed of light.


That was my point .. it was a joke.
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« Reply #117 on: January 24, 2004, 02:24:04 AM »
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You expect me to accept this unprovable idea, that out of an unimaginably huge explosion came all of the SYSTEMATIC order of the universe.  From the cosmos to something as marvelous and complex as a blade of grass.  Spare me.  

Think about that.  What Darwinists expect me to believe is that out of an explosion in a print shop came the first bound edition of Webster's dictionary which was also auto updated periodically so as to remain perpetually current.  Tell me where I'm wrong there.  


Glad to :-)

Darwinism has nothing to do with the origin of the universe or the origin of life. Plase don't lump all your strawmen into one big strawman.
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« Reply #118 on: January 24, 2004, 07:45:15 AM »
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Only after that the paper may be published and subjected to further peer review. After a few rounds of publications and counter-publications the resulting point makes its way into popular publications and to the politicians.
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Do you just make this watermelon up?


Don't know what to say here ... Doing the Jester today MT ?

Submission to Science Journal -> peer review -> publication is *the* way of publishing new science hypothesis.
Has been throughtout the 20th century and the only reason I don't go earlier is that I don't know for sure, but likely in the 19th as well.

While certainly not a scientist, everything I ever read & heard support this. Just recently I read a debate on the high cost of subscribing to all the journals which is a neccesity to keep up in your field because thats where the new stuff is published.


Next step, popular publications -> politicians makes perfect sense.
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