Staga et al

[-lynx-]

 

Lynx one propose:
Try to find some western history books about what happened between SU and Finland in 1939-44. They might be closer the truth that those Russian ones.

With all due respect -  www.winterwar.com  and a link to the site's info sources (not a single one originated in Russia):  http://www.winterwar.com/referenc.htm  - personally, I haven't had access to any other but Western history books for the last 11 years It's what you read in them, ain't it?

MrSid:    

[MrSiD]

The link you supplied is a site made by a finn. It's also heavily under construction - what was the point you were trying to prove?

If you're going to give internet sites as your references, you better get your head out of your ass. Internet is not a realiable source of information.

Besides, nobody in finland claimed we won the conflict in general terms of winning.
We consider being able to stop the soviet assault a victory in itself. No other country was able to do that in ww2.

You can twist it as much as you like, we fought for our country and freedom and we had it in the end. I'd consider that a success.

It's too bad you decided to escape from russia. I'm sure the communist regime would have found you a great job as the party propaganda master.  

[-lynx-]

 

The link you supplied is a site made by a finn. It's also heavily under construction - what was the point you were trying to prove?

I was merely pointing out that I wasn't getting my information from "Russian history books". The guys who's building the site listed enough books there as source for the information published on his site, most of those are by finnish authors and in Finnish. What are you trying to say now? He's lying/can't translate into English or is it the case of your version of history does not agree with the facts? Maybe you need to check where your head is?

 

Besides, nobody in finland claimed we won the conflict in general terms of winning.

Oops, I didn't know Staga/Wmaker were in exile cuz that's exactly what they claimed and that's exactly what started the whole thing.

 

You can twist it as much as you like, we fought for our country and freedom and we had it in the end. I'd consider that a success.

I don't think I was the one doing the twisting   neither were you the one doing the fighting...

 

It's too bad you decided to escape from russia. I'm sure the communist regime would have found you a great job as the party propaganda master.

News for you pal - communist regime is no longer. Been gone for quite a few years. You also seem to unable to separate Russia/Russians from communist led state machine. As for propaganda masters - I don't think you lot need to apply for the job. Spreading roadkill about what actually happened is not doing any good to memory of those Finnish pilots and soldiers who actually fought for the freedom of their country against overwhelming odds and with great skill and courage .

[Boroda]

MrSid, you can laugh - but my only sources about White-Finnish war are books and articles translated from English. USSR never was afraid to publish honest historical books written in the West, even if they didn't correspond with Party line.

At school we were told that White-Finnish war started because the border was only 32km from Leningrad. There was nothing in our history schoolbooks about Mainila.

Now, let's sum up the facts:

1) USSR offered Finnish government a "bargain" to get Karelian Istmuth back.

2) Finnish government refused.

3) USSR attacked Finland.

4) Finland tried to defend itself and caused enormous losses.

5) In March, 1940, USSR broke Finnish defence completely and was ready to occupy the whole country.

6) Finnish government suddenly agreed to a pre-war "bargain".

7) USSR ceased hostilities and withdrew troops.

Please, note that both me and Lynx are happy that Finland didn't lose it's independance, and have great respect to the people of Suomi.

BTW, the ball is still on your side. What do you think about the victory conditions?

PblCb, zdorovo u tebya poluchaetsya   Ya k sozhaleniyu yazyk tak horosho ne znayu.

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With respect,
    Pavel Pavlov,
    Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS

[MrSiD]

Lynx: I never said the facts on the web site were false. I read the content and it seemed pretty much accurate to me.

I guess it's just a question of different views.

Btw: With introduction of V. Putin, it seems that your country is slipping back to old ways of dictatorship, no freedom of speech and communist party getting more and more power.

Putin already silenced the media by buying out the main tv station..

Although I agree that if I was in his position I'd probably do the same. With the state of affairs left after Yeltsin, that country surely needs an iron hand to look after it.

I just hope that if he's going to be a tyran, he'll be an 'enlightened' one.

[MrSiD]

And lynx: I wasn't the one doing the fighting, but my family members were. Were you on the front then? If not, you seem to be awfully fanatic about the subject.

The discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. I was a fool to get into this excercise of futility in the first place.

I wish you a happy exile life in the UK, live long and prosper.  

Over and... out.

[-lynx-]

 

Btw: With introduction of V. Putin...

I know - my folks still there