Pack of pit bulls kills two.

[john9001]

so a dog bred to fight and kill is not dangerous? That's like saying a dog bred to herd sheep won't herd sheep.

sorry, that dog won't hunt. (pun).


my labs don't have to be trained not to kill.

[culero]

Originally posted by john9001
so a dog bread to fight and kill is not dangerous? That's like saying a dog bread to herd sheep won't herd sheep.

sorry, that dog won't hunt. (pun).


my labs don't have to be trained not to kill.

Bred to have the physical characteristics that allow them, with training, to fight and kill. Big difference there. Their nature isn't dangerous. They are just frequently trained to be dangerous.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Yea.......good luck with that.
Hunt Co. S.O.`s standard response------> "We do not respond to dog bite calls".
A neighbor was attacked by a Pit that belonged to a moron that wouldn`t keep him up and had been causing trouble for weeks.
S.O. was a no show. Refused to respond. Seen it happen here many times.
BOOM...........good dog.

Jackal, does the Hunt Co. S.O. respond to the discharge of a firearm in a residential area?

I know that in Southern California, if you pot a dog within city limits, You can expect that if it's reported, that they will be there in quick response mode (Thinking it's a person that got shot) and will not be in a good mood.

A friend of mine down the street where I grew up shot a dog on his property. 15 min. later his house was surrounded by Sheriff's cars. I did not know what happened right when they showed up, but he was kinda angry at being disarmed and sat down by the S.O.'s. The dog was one that had been a general pest in the neighborhood, scattering trash all over people's lawns, and crapping all over their lawns, etc.

I also remember him getting in a heated argument with the dog's owner over the whole thing. But it was 20 years' ago, and I don't remember all the details.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Jackal, does the Hunt Co. S.O. respond to the discharge of a firearm in a residential area?

Yes. Usualy by going to the other side of the county.

Seriously , in the incident with my neighbor, they did respond after either two or three days when it got to the point that things had heated up to the point of total frustration with the S.O. and threats from the dog owner. My neighbor`s wife told S.O. on the phone that since they didn`t seem to be interested that she assumed they meant for the situation to be handled by any means possible. She said no problem she would get on it immediately . They came right out.

[lazs2]

Stats show that about 4 breeds are responsible for about 75% of  all serious dog attacks.


But elfie... you convinced me.. it is the owner and not the dog...  I would say that 9 out of ten pit bulls should be shot but... that works out becuause... 9 out of ten of their owners should be shot.

You can't go too wrong by always being armed around pit bulls or the people who would own one.

I would not ban any dog but the penalty for owning a dog big enough to maul someone and then letting em do it should be huge.  

You can tell kids to stay away from large aggressive dogs.... you can teach em.. but how do you protect em from the dogs that go after them?

When it happens...  how do you write it off as "an accident"?  

I shot 3 dogs a few years back who had "packed up" out in the country... they were not pits but one looked sorta like one... they were all large at about 60 lbs... one was not hit too bad (if any hit with a 44 mag can be considered not "too bad")      I hope it made it home to the owner.

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by lazs2
But elfie... you convinced me.. it is the owner and not the dog...  I would say that 9 out of ten pit bulls should be shot but... that works out becuause... 9 out of ten of their owners should be shot.

Pit Bulls don't kill people, people kill people.

[morfiend]

Originally posted by lazs2
Stats show that about 4 breeds are responsible for about 75% of  all serious dog attacks.


But elfie... you convinced me.. it is the owner and not the dog...  I would say that 9 out of ten pit bulls should be shot but... that works out becuause... 9 out of ten of their owners should be shot.

You can't go too wrong by always being armed around pit bulls or the people who would own one.

I would not ban any dog but the penalty for owning a dog big enough to maul someone and then letting em do it should be huge.  

You can tell kids to stay away from large aggressive dogs.... you can teach em.. but how do you protect em from the dogs that go after them?

When it happens...  how do you write it off as "an accident"?  

I shot 3 dogs a few years back who had "packed up" out in the country... they were not pits but one looked sorta like one... they were all large at about 60 lbs... one was not hit too bad (if any hit with a 44 mag can be considered not "too bad")      I hope it made it home to the owner.

lazs

 while I tend to agree with ya Lazs,the part about the owners being shot,also that a bad dog should be the owners responcability and the owner should be made to pay heavily in the event of a bite.
 I would ask you to show me any case where a Stafforshire Bull Terrier has bitten unprovoked.
 A recent study on dog aggression place kids and dogs together in an effort to see the root cause of dog bites.There was 1 breed of dog that the children were asked to not be so rough with,the Staffy bull,it appeared that the dogs were being hurt yet were so tolerent of the treatment the kids inflicted on them that the researchers asked the kids to not play so rough with them.
 So there we have a case of the dog willing to put up with strangers mistreating them.The only fault that these "type" of dogs have is their williness to please their owners,at all cost,this has been manipulated,by their owners,and is the reason we have a problem with these breeds.
 As I've said,I have 30 years of breeding staffy bulls and english bullterriers,so I think I know abit about them.
 If we get rid of these breeds,another breed will be used and we'll hear about them. The person who wants an aggressive dog will always be able to find one.
 Look at Italy,they started baning breeds,now they have 107 breeds banned,the corgi and border collie are on the list.
 It only makes sense to make the owners responsible because as I said before all pups start out the same,it's the owner that makes them a problem or not.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Jackal, does the Hunt Co. S.O. respond to the discharge of a firearm in a residential area?

I know that in Southern California, if you pot a dog within city limits, You can expect that if it's reported, that they will be there in quick response mode (Thinking it's a person that got shot) and will not be in a good mood.

A friend of mine down the street where I grew up shot a dog on his property. 15 min. later his house was surrounded by Sheriff's cars. I did not know what happened right when they showed up, but he was kinda angry at being disarmed and sat down by the S.O.'s. The dog was one that had been a general pest in the neighborhood, scattering trash all over people's lawns, and crapping all over their lawns, etc.

I also remember him getting in a heated argument with the dog's owner over the whole thing. But it was 20 years' ago, and I don't remember all the details.

It is still legal even within city limits to shoot a dangerous animal in Cali.  Some police may not be aware of this though.

Case in point, a friend of mine had a neighbor with 2 pits, both Aggressive. The owner your typical ******* pit owner.  The dogs get out of the yard alot.

One day they jump the fence into my friend�s yard and kill their Rotty and mangle their lab.

The police come and do nothing. As does animal services.

The next time it happens. My friend shoots one and his neighbor the other.
One lives.

The cops come and freak out, take the firearms and threaten arrest.

In the end no charges were filed and my friend got his firearms back.  The neighbor now keeps the live one firmly locked up.



I am a dog person and have been around pits that didn't scare me and a few that did. It is really 99% the owner that is the issue.


I also love labs, and I have seen labs that you could not get anywhere near unless the owner was there or it would attack you.  More then one like that in fact.

[Dago]

Yeah, they are just loving dogs, from the news today:



Pit Bull Attacks Deputy, third Pit Bull attack this month

[Toad]

Dogs can and are bred to be predisposed to certain behaviors.

Labs have been bred to retrieve. Dogs from well bred retriever lines have this trait. It can be shaped and sharpened with training, but the urge to retrieve is inborn.

The same thing can be said of many, many breeds with various traits.

If you take a breed and selectively breed it for aggression and fighting, you will, after some generations, have a line that carries these traits innately.

By the same token you can take that same breed and selectively breed for a calm gentle nature and eventually get there.

I think what has happened with the fighting dogs is that further back in their history, they were bred to be normal human companions. Petey of the Little Rascals, Stubby the war hero, along with Weela, Bogart and Dixie are examples of Pit Bulls that were fine human companions.

Unfortunately, the fate of these breeds rests in the hands of human beings. As we all know, human beings are capable of amazingly stupid activites. Ruining a breed is just one of those; it happened before, it's happening now and it will happen in the future.

The Irish Setter is a prime example. There was a time when that breed was generally accepted as a fine, fine sporting breed. However, they got popular with the wrong people and became fashion accessories. Now, they are generally regarded as worthless for any sort of work. They are too stupid, their size and coat have been altered to be pretty useless for their former work...they were ruined.

The good news? Dedicated people can restore breeds. A small group has begun to salvage the Irish Setter. To differentiate from the ruined breed, this group calls their dogs Red Setters. It is what the old Irish was and should be.

So don't give up hope on Pits. They just need to be rescued from those that would destroy them.

[AKIron]

I'm doing my best to train one of my wife's Chihuahuas to be an attack dog. The best I've gotten so far is a nipped heel. No blood.

I gave up on the other one, she never barks at anyone and is even afraid to leave the yard.

[lazs2]

I have not given up on any breed... I ask for no bans.

It is simply like the race thread... I look at what is happening not at 16 peoples feelings as to why it is.

When a child is mauled or killed it doesn't matter what your feelings about "why" are.

I say that the owner needs to be mauled.   I say that if the child is killed the owner needs to be put in a pit with attack dogs till he is dead.

If what you all say is true and that the poor pit bull is a "victim" of... the owner?   the press?   whatever... then... with the new stiffer lazs penalties... the owners will shape up pronto and the press won't have the poor,docile and missunderstood pit bull to pick on anymore.

pragmatic wins out over feelings every time.

lazs

[Toad]

It is the same old story of the lack of personal responsibility and accountability.

Pit bulls, drunk drivers, bank robbers, pederasts, crooked politicians....... the answer is always the same: responsibility and accountability.

I was just pointing out that it isn't the fault of the breed. I imagine that with careful selective breeding one could rather easily develop a line of calm, mild mannered, loving Pit Bulls. That's just not where most human owners want to take the breed though.

Responsiblity and Accountability. It's a human thing not a breed thing.

[Dago]

People want to ban guns, and most of us disagree with that idea.  But, what if there was a handgun that had a distinct tendancy to blow up when used, severely injuring or killing the shooter or someone around him.  Would you want that particular handgun banned?  I would.

Same goes for dogs.  I don't want dogs banned, but the Pit Bull breed has a very well documented tendancy to attack unprovoked.  I think that breed does not need to exist in society.

[Toad]

I think that breed needs to rescued. A dedicated group needs to develop a genetic line that accurately reflects what the pit bull was 100 years ago. It can be done.

Those that breed this dog for aggression should be deterred. The only way you do that is to remove the reward for breeding successful aggressive fighting dogs. Therein lies the problem.