Author Topic: not changed since AH1: autoretract (Read 2262 times)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #60 on:** November 07, 2007, 12:30:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
We know you are asking to game the system because you complain about the disadvantage the existing system gives you when any change would make it worse for you given HiTech's statement on it.

Given that you are whining about the current system hurting you I would be shocked if you are asking to be hurt more.

Please explain how using a system that will model flap damage from things like over speeding and battle is asking to "game the game"?

Honestly, the auto-retracting flaps don't bother me, as 99.9% of the time I can catch it before I enter into a spin. I just want to have a more realistic flap system that not only models the the potential damage from over speeding but also other things like the effects of battle damage on the flaps (our current system models flap damage rather poorly).

To claim that the current flaps system is other than a hand holding feature to make the game more "user friendly" is just nonsense. I know it will never be changed, HiTech has said as much in previous threads despite some really good suggestions mentioned in the multitude of threads about this.

ack-ack

bozon · « **Reply #61 on:** November 08, 2007, 04:05:51 PM »

Damage modeling is the weakest part of AH. It has always been.

Asking for a damage model instead of auto retract is in principle a request for more realism. In practice it is a request for less. IIRC, HT stated that they have no good way of modeling such a thing as flap over speed/stress damage. Not only this is more complicated than the current damage model can support, there is also an extreme lack of data to model this by.

HTC has to make a choice: Model the pilot's hand retracting the flaps, even involuntarily (aka disciplined pilot flying by the manual), or start guessing and make up data required for a quasi-realistic damage model for the flaps. It is quite clear what they consider more 'realistic'.

Tac · « **Reply #62 on:** November 08, 2007, 06:44:56 PM »

Just to be clear, it is not a request for more realistic damage model in the flaps (though it would be nice). Its a request to FIX an issue in the current model which affects the P-38 almost exclusively.

Adding a second or 2 delay BEFORE the flap retracts is all I really ask for. The issue affects the plane for a split second and only happens when the plane is under high G turns that are bleeding the speed rapidly. It does NOT give the P-38 additional manouverability... it CORRECTS it.

Think about it.. if they retract at 200mph and the plane only reaches 200mph for half a second before high-g turn e-bleed down to 120mph.. then WHAT is the squealing reason to have the flaps retract? In any other plane it doesnt matter at all but in the 38 that damn flap setting has increased the wing area by almost 1/3rd and the effect of magically losing the flap for that half second WHILE pulling high G's causes loss of control in the 38 (and i remind you in AH the flaps are UP or DOWN there is no gradual retraction of the flap into the wing which would smooth out the effect) Hence this needs to be FIXED)

Tilt · « **Reply #63 on:** November 09, 2007, 10:46:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Tac
(and i remind you in AH the flaps are UP or DOWN there is no gradual retraction of the flap into the wing which would smooth out the effect) Hence this needs to be FIXED)

Is this true? within flap increments does the FM step the addition or removal of flaps (as in on/off) or does it move via some sort of curve from one setting to the next?

Karnak · « **Reply #64 on:** November 09, 2007, 11:47:52 AM »

It should be a progressive effect, not an on off.

Tac · « **Reply #65 on:** November 09, 2007, 04:25:48 PM »

Last I heard karnak, the sound and visual animation is progressive but the effect is instant.

It matches what you feel in the game as well. When near stall speeds in unstable planes like the F4U you hit the flaps and instantly get control response as well as a much tighter turn performance. It doesnt take it 2 or 3 seconds while the flap deploys for you to feel the effect of the flaps.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #66 on:** November 09, 2007, 04:58:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Tac
Just to be clear, it is not a request for more realistic damage model in the flaps (though it would be nice). Its a request to FIX an issue in the current model which affects the P-38 almost exclusively.

Adding a second or 2 delay BEFORE the flap retracts is all I really ask for. The issue affects the plane for a split second and only happens when the plane is under high G turns that are bleeding the speed rapidly. It does NOT give the P-38 additional manouverability... it CORRECTS it.

Think about it.. if they retract at 200mph and the plane only reaches 200mph for half a second before high-g turn e-bleed down to 120mph.. then WHAT is the squealing reason to have the flaps retract? In any other plane it doesnt matter at all but in the 38 that damn flap setting has increased the wing area by almost 1/3rd and the effect of magically losing the flap for that half second WHILE pulling high G's causes loss of control in the 38 (and i remind you in AH the flaps are UP or DOWN there is no gradual retraction of the flap into the wing which would smooth out the effect) Hence this needs to be FIXED)

All I fly for the most part is the 38, with the 38G being the favorite. I just haven't run into this and as anyone who flies anywhere near me knows I'm low and slow with the flaps hanging out all the time.

Do you have a film where it's happening to you Tac? I'd be really curious to see it.