The M10 Tank Destroyer

[Rob52240]

I know you are but what am I?


People complain about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons.  Every plane / tank in the game fills it's own niche and some even share niches in some ways.  Simply picking one attribute and saying that "this is why it sucks and we shouldn't have it"  Is no reason to not go forward with progress.  I was actually watching greatest tank battles on TV last night and they were going over a battle where Shermans and M-18's won a decisive victory against a large number of Panthers.  The M-18 was effective because of it's speed which gave it the ability to maneuver well.  You can't have great speed and great weight with anything a person can build so compromises must be made.  It's just the way the world works.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Lol Rob, I watched it too. And what was amazing to me was the fact that the M-18 had a top speed of 68 mph!!! But, only 1" of armor meant if caught stag it was TOAST. If anyone has ever played the Combat Mission series such as "Barbarossa to Berlin", "Normandy", or "North Africa", one option for all armored vehicles was "Shoot and Scoot" which made a huge difference. It also can give the appearence of a much larger force entrenched than there actually is.

[Butcher]

I know you are but what am I?
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People complain about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons.  Every plane / tank in the game fills it's own niche and some even share niches in some ways.  Simply picking one attribute and saying that "this is why it sucks and we shouldn't have it"  Is no reason to not go forward with progress.  I was actually watching greatest tank battles on TV last night and they were going over a battle where Shermans and M-18's won a decisive victory against a large number of Panthers.  The M-18 was effective because of it's speed which gave it the ability to maneuver well.  You can't have great speed and great weight with anything a person can build so compromises must be made.  It's just the way the world works.

I agree with you to a certain degree, but think about it this way - If you had a choice between an I-16 and a P-51D coming out next which would you rather fly? If we had a choice to grab BOTH then I am all for the M-18 and M-10 as long as we get something with a little more survivability like the Stug-G or Hetzer.

I'd settle for all 4 and call it a success for us tankers, sadly were stuck with a Tiger upgrade.

[Rob52240]

I agree with you to a certain degree, but think about it this way - If you had a choice between an I-16 and a P-51D coming out next which would you rather fly? If we had a choice to grab BOTH then I am all for the M-18 and M-10 as long as we get something with a little more survivability like the Stug-G or Hetzer.

I'd settle for all 4 and call it a success for us tankers, sadly were stuck with a Tiger upgrade.

I don't think that that's a fair comparison.  The M-18 was unmatched when it came to combining speed with firepower.  The P-51 was arguably the best fighter of the war while the I16 was obsolete when the war started.

Did people complain this much about the RV8 getting a model?  Cripes!

[Tank-Ace]

IMO, -1, not yet. I think most of the ppl arguing for it are imagining a 5mph faster M4A3(76). It would probably be closer to a 5mph faster Panzer IV  .

It would have M4 armor on the hull, true, but it wouldn't take the punisment the M4(76) does. The "w" in M4A3(76)W stands for "wet storage", meaning the amunition was stored in water-lined bins that made the tank less likely to out-and-out explode in the event the armor was penetrated. Thats the reason you will see M4(76)'s taking hits that would kill a panzer or M4(75).

So picture a faster panzer, and BOOM! you have the M10  .

[Rob52240]

How is 60mph only 5mph faster than a Panzer IV / Sherman?

[Tank-Ace]

M10, not the M18, sorry, I should have put that in there, my fault.

I'm all for the M18, which would be more like an upgunned M8.

[321BAR]

My bad BAR, I actually meant to say M-36 in my original Post and not the M18....cuz I did mean the 90mm gun mounted on it...TY for the info!

sorry if my M-18 rants/info goes overboard <S> bud

[Rob52240]

sorry if my M-18 rants/info goes overboard <S> bud

You can't go overboard with the M-18 until you fall out of the open turret, which is no big deal anyway.