If you fly a SPIT, are you a dweeb? Midway not allow to comment.

[cpxxx]

All the hard core tough guys think Spits are for dweebs. They're happy to fly Stukas, Buffalos, and obscure Italian aircraft. Meanwhile the rest of us just love the idea of flying some of the most famous aircraft of the war. One day I would like to fly a real Spitfire or P51. Curiously enough the C202 is not on my list.

[grizz441]

Neglecting the hispanos, which is quite the neglection...

What outturns a Spitfire(16,9,8) that can also outrun it?  The answer is nothing.  This is why it is a dweeb plane in the simplest of measuring sticks.

[Shuffler]

I love Spitfires. Why are players called dweebs when they fly spitfire? when the "dweebies" plane is clearly the pony delta..too many planes out turn spit, most planes can run down spitfire, guns are OK, but if You take a hit, you will most likely die.. so why is the spit a dweeb plane?...If you answer "because butcher flys them" you are wrong, just because butcher is dweeb it dont make plane he flys a dweeb plane..i hope

If you love them fly them. The dweeb thing comes from the planes being one of the easiest and most forgiving planes in AH. I often refer to them as trainers because we would use them in AH to get a new person some confidence with a kill or two.

It's a nice plane, the names just go with the territory. If you like it... fly it. Most other planes will be harder to grasp if you just fly the spit most of the time.

In the end... it is your 15 bucks.... use it as you wish and smile.

[Karnak]

Neglecting the hispanos, which is quite the neglection...

What outturns a Spitfire(16,9,8) that can also outrun it?

Depends on the altitude and the mark of Spitfire.  At AH combat alts the Bf109F-4 out runs and out turns the Mk IX as I recall.  I suspect the Ki-84 will at least turn with the Mk VIII and Mk XVI, certainly the Ki-84 seems to hand the Mk VIII its bellybutton every time they oppose each other in a CBI setting in the AvA.

[grizz441]

Gonzoville stats say the 109F4 turns a little better than the Spit9 with no flaps and marginally worse with full flaps.  Looks to be a little faster. 

Spit8 and Spit16 should be handing Ki84 its butt, not the other way around in my experience.

[Guppy35]

Gonzoville stats say the 109F4 turns a little better than the Spit9 with no flaps and marginally worse with full flaps.  Looks to be a little faster. 

Spit8 and Spit16 should be handing Ki84 its butt, not the other way around in my experience.

The fundamental flaw in the anti-Spit argument is it generally comes from guys who have moved on and have learned a lot more about flinging cartoon airplanes around.  Put them back in Spits and they can tend to wreck the place.  But the Spit was that kind of plane.  Forgiving, easy to fly, and capable.  Throw in that guys in birds that don't turn as well, get mixed into dogfights with it, and it can get frustrating.

I'd rather see a hundred Spitfire 16s then 100 Mustangs however as the odds are much greater that the Spit drivers will stick around and at least try and fight.  Odds are good that in that 100 Mustang drivers, maybe 5-10 of them will actually know how to bend it, and stick around.  Interesting to me how many of those real ETO Mustang drivers started in Spits, then hated Jugs, then loved 51s as they were more like Spits!

With the Spit new guys can gain some confidence, take some 'risks' and learn about cartoon ACM.  And with luck, if they stick around, they'll challenge themselves with tougher birds.

As for 84s.  I'd suggest the guys flying 84s know them a lot better then the majority of guys flying Spits

[grizz441]

The fundamental flaw in the anti-Spit argument is it generally comes from guys who have moved on and have learned a lot more about flinging cartoon airplanes around.  Put them back in Spits and they can tend to wreck the place.  But the Spit was that kind of plane.  Forgiving, easy to fly, and capable.  Throw in that guys in birds that don't turn as well, get mixed into dogfights with it, and it can get frustrating.

I'd rather see a hundred Spitfire 16s then 100 Mustangs however as the odds are much greater that the Spit drivers will stick around and at least try and fight.  Odds are good that in that 100 Mustang drivers, maybe 5-10 of them will actually know how to bend it, and stick around.  Interesting to me how many of those real ETO Mustang drivers started in Spits, then hated Jugs, then loved 51s as they were more like Spits!

With the Spit new guys can gain some confidence, take some 'risks' and learn about cartoon ACM.  And with luck, if they stick around, they'll challenge themselves with tougher birds.

As for 84s.  I'd suggest the guys flying 84s know them a lot better then the majority of guys flying Spits

Hah, I agree on all counts.

[Ruah]

I used to think of spit pilots as being pissants - but as I played more and more - I realized that a spit can rarely run.  So fighting spits is fun.  The P51 and LA7s and some D9s are on my current hate list because they run (not extend).  In light of that (and the fact that I live in the UK), I have started to fly them more and do not actually agree that they are as imba as people make them out to be.

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[Wiley]

Grizz and Corky nailed it, IMO.  Some people just seem to place more emphasis on challenging yourself by flying tougher birds than others.  I'm of the opinion people shouldn't be called down for flying what they're in the mood to fly for whatever reason.  Not all of us have the time to put in to learn to turnfight in a Typhoon or D9 effectively.

In the time I've been here, I only flew the Spits and the LAs occasionally as I consider them easy mode, and feel using them tends to get me into bad habits.  However, sometimes they're fun.

I chalk up anybody who whines about being shot down for any reason as nothing but noise, and simply move on.  Fly what you want to fly, how you want to fly it.

Wiley.

[Rob52240]

Spits do a lot of things well, but unlike a Dora, Mustang, 262, Tempest etc.. they usually aren't quite fast enough to just give it the beans and escape whatever dogfight they'd rather not be participating in.