C2's

[Brooke]

I think that the C.202 does outturn a P-51.  It's not quite as good as a Spit 16, though.

[Tank-Ace]

  If both planes are just above corner speed and the 51 can use flaps but the 109 cant,which plane can turn better??



     

Nothing, cause of the G-limit. But isn't corner speed around 215 for the K4? Granted it's a small margin, but I've always wanted those flaps when flying the Kurfürst.

[Butcher]

   

  I was hoping no one would answer that knows the answer,I want to see what our resident expert has to say about that question.

  As a trainer I'm constantly having to explain to players about this,seems to be a lot of misinformation being given to players and it doesn't help them or the game one bit.



   

What I can't figure out is how the resident expert is so knowledgeable yet no films of him flying or even having a score even worth proving he has any idea whats going on.

Blah Blah score means nothing, but it does give a clue how the person flies and if he has any idea what he is doing, also by the plane he is flying.

[morfiend]

Nothing, cause of the G-limit. But isn't corner speed around 215 for the K4? Granted it's a small margin, but I've always wanted those flaps when flying the Kurfürst.

  Well first you'd have to define corner speed but I can tell you 215 is way too low for any of the 109's.  Now if you were talking about a brew or zero 215 might be close but not the 109 series and the 51 is close to 260 mph at corner speed but as I said first you'd have to define it.

  Really if you don't know,instead of spouting off why not ask questions? there are no stupid questions but there's plenty of dumb answers.


   

[Tank-Ace]

  Well first you'd have to define corner speed but I can tell you 215 is way too low for any of the 109's.  Now if you were talking about a brew or zero 215 might be close but not the 109 series and the 51 is close to 260 mph at corner speed but as I said first you'd have to define it.

  Really if you don't know,instead of spouting off why not ask questions? there are no stupid questions but there's plenty of dumb answers.


   

Corner speed being the minimum speed at which you can pull the 6G's to black out, no? That's always what I've heard. If I'm misusing the term, plate let me know.

Fairly certain I've gotten the blackness creeping in at around 200. Could be wrong though.

[bustr]

A programmer from another of Hitech's games came up with this info in 1997. For AH purposes it's dated but, closer than Tank-Aces guessing "Corner Velocity" instead of looking for something on the Internet.

BF 109-K4
-CornerVelocity: 275mph
-CornerRadius: 551ft
-Sust.NoFlapSpeed: 170mph
-Sust.NoFlapsRadius: 817ft
-360degreeNoFlaps: 20.6sec
-Sust.FullFlapsSpeed: 140mph
-Sust.FullFlapsRadius: 657ft
-360degreeFullFlaps: 20.1sec

P51D
-CornerVelocity: 270mph
-CornerRadius: 531ft
-Sust.NoFlapSpeed: 165mph
-Sust.NoFlapsRadius: 789ft
-360degreeNoFlaps: 20.5sec
-Sust.FullFlapsSpeed: 145mph
-Sust.FullFlapsRadius: 731ft
-360degreeFullFlaps: 21.6sec

Source: http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/corner.htm

Gonzo's page seems to have  java exploit popup at the moment.

[Debrody]

Thats weird. Ok, that info is 16 years old, probably have changed, still:
the 109 could turn around in an r=551 feet circle while doing 275mph and pulling 6G, but with full flaps and 140mph, the turn radius is larger than this? This sounds odd.
Got to calculate this later.
centripetal acceleration = speed on the square / radius   ==> r=v2/a                          /for the 6g, 60m/s2, 275mph
also
radius = corner speed * time for a full circle / 2*pi                                                 /for the 140mph corner speed and 19,2s circling time
if im not mistaken

[icepac]

Power Loading, maybe?

[morfiend]

 A simple way to calculate corner speed ingame is to find the clean stall speed of the A/C in question and multiply that by 2.44.

 275mph seems abit high for the 109,even the K4,I've found they stall pretty close to 100 with the E and F stalling just under 100mph so that would give you a corner speed close to 245 mph. The 51 wants to stall closer to 110 maybe slightly above which would be very close to the 270 mark,IIRC in testing I got around 265.

  If you use Badboys EM bootstrap it's very easy to find the answers.

  Incase anyone is wondering how you come up with the 2.44 figure,it's the square root of 6,6 being the G limit at blackout.



   

[bustr]

Is corner velocity air density influenced?

Wonder if Hitech has a publishable list for all fighters based on alt\air density.

[Tank-Ace]

Is corner velocity air density influenced?

Wonder if Hitech has a publishable list for all fighters based on alt\air density.

Probably, considering that stall speed increases as air density decreases, and that both stall and corner velocty are lift-related...