F4U1C Vs F4U1A

[earl1937]

I performed a terminal velocity dive from 30,000 feet. Below is a screen shot as the F4U-1A was near 13,000 feet. Note the TAS and the IAS. The Corsair was completely locked up, shaking like a hooker in church.. I had just pulled off power to idle and was about you use trim to induce a gentle pitch-up as the Mach dropped. The F4U has limited maneuverability at 545 mph TAS. At 555 mph TAS at sea level, it has very little control in any axis.

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I guess that is the difference in your computer and mine! I have been back up again to verify what I saw the first time I dove the F4U1C when trying to outrun the !A and again, my a/s indicator showed, as best I can tell, since there are no markings above 500, and again considerable distance above 500 and no, did not think to try any turns, but, yes it was in compressability mode, but not uncontrollable as far as recovering, with out using trim.
I sure didn't mean to start this big discussion guys, was just recalling what happened to me on short final over water, with 3 kills, guy running me down and me with no ammo, the 1A hitting a tree or hill, go though all that and get toasted by a PT boat that I had no idea was around.
Tell you what! Next time you see me on, in Rook country, ET37, give me a call on 171vox and I will take up a F4U1C, you can click on join and we will go do it together!

Been watching this discussion to see if someone can explain how the outer wing panels on the "hogs" were fabric covered! Was the fabric over plywood, metal or what?

[Saxman]

The structural frame was all metal.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah, the F4U featured other 'different' structural features, welded in part, rather than riveted,
& that strange gull wing..
 
Sm, do you know if the late production Corsairs went all metal, skin-wise?

[Saxman]

The F4U-1C/D went to metal over more of the lower wing surfaces, though the upper wing remained the same. I'm pretty sure that beginning with the F4U-4 they went to an all-metal skin, and eliminated the fabric altogether.

The F4U-4 also removed that metal bit above the pilot's head except for the very first handful (even most of those that saw action in WWII removed it). Wish it would go away on our F4U-4 (among other Corsair wishes, like having the center rack on the 1D, and the ability to launch as a "land-based" FG-1/A/D without the excess weight of the tail hook and wing folding equipment).

[FLS]

Earl if you use the E6b on the clipboard you'll see IAS and TAS. If you film you'll see speed in the film viewer.

[earl1937]

Earl if you use the E6b on the clipboard you'll see IAS and TAS. If you film you'll see speed in the film viewer.

Correct sir, but as I have said before, I am a computer "dumbie" and can't figure out how to transfere my screen shots to pictures folder, where I could take a screen shot or video and of course, use them with posts in the forum. Any help would be appreciated guys on how to do this!

[Widewing]

Correct sir, but as I have said before, I am a computer "dumbie" and can't figure out how to transfere my screen shots to pictures folder, where I could take a screen shot or video and of course, use them with posts in the forum. Any help would be appreciated guys on how to do this!

You take screen shots with Alt S (hold down Alt and hit S). This creates a bitmap image in the scrshot folder inside the Aces High folder (which is found on your hard drive in the Hitech Creations folder). From there, you can open the image with any appropriate software and crop or resize as you wish. You can create free account on something like Photobucket or Mediafire. You upload the image and copy its URL. On the forum, you click on the insert image button and paste the URL where the cursor is blinking (just hit Ctrl V). You can add text above and/or below the image. When you click "post", the image will appear in your post.

[Golfer]

I believe the default mapping is Alt+S

And you can drag and drop the screen shots from the aces high folder to anywhere else or upload then directly to photobucket from there as well.

[The Fugitive]

You take screen shots with Ctrl S (hold down Ctrl and hit S). This creates a bitmap image in the scrshot folder inside the Aces High folder (which is found on your hard drive in the Hitech Creations folder). From there, you can open the image with any appropriate software and crop or resize as you wish. You can create free account on something like Photobucket or Mediafire. You upload the image and copy its URL. On the forum, you click on the insert image button and paste the URL where the cursor is blinking (just hit Ctrl V). You can add text above and/or below the image. When you click "post", the image will appear in your post.

IT is "ALT S" for a screen shot, CNTRL S turns squad highlite on and off.

[Widewing]

IT is "ALT S" for a screen shot, CNTRL S turns squad highlite on and off.

Fixed.... I know this too....   

[Toad]

Tommy Blackburn, CO of VF-17 said in mid-February of 1943 there was one new F4U-1 Corsair fighter ready for delivery at Floyd Bennett Field, New York and he picked it up.

VF-12 completed carrier qual by April of 1943. Two months after Blackburn picked up the F4U-1.

Starting May 1, 1943, VF-17 landed F4U-1's and eventually all pilots got their five traps. VF-17 deployed aboard Bunker Hill with new F4U-1A's from the factory September 10 of '43.

So, VF-12 and VF-17 successfully completed carrier qual with F4U-1's by April of 1943, a few months after the first F4U-1 was picked up from Vought. The Royal Navy/FAA didn't even get their F4U-1s until November of 1943. Seems the USN somehow figured out F4U-1 carrier ops prior to the FAA even getting their airplanes.

Further, VF-12 and VF-17 qualified aboard Charger, an older, slower converted passenger liner. Most of Blackburn’s pilots had never landed aboard any carrier before; they were grass-green. From Blackburn's book:

“Moreover, Charger hardly qualified as a carrier; that spitkit rarely produced the 25 knots of relative wind over her flight deck that was considered the standard minimum for safe landing operations.”

VF-17 deployed aboard Bunker Hill (Essex class) with new F4U-1A's from the factory September 10 of '43.

From Blackburn's book:

The trip to the West Coast was uneventful, and they sortied from San Diego on September 28.

But a few days out, official lightning struck. VF-17 was detached from Bunker Hill, and ordered to the island of Espiritu Santo, to operate as a land-based squadron. The problem was one of logistics, not of operations. The high command knew that Blackburn's Corsairs could operate from a carrier. But as the only Corsair squadron in a Navy full of Grumman Hellcats and Wildcats, supplying and maintaining them would be a headache.

It really doesn't appear that the USN had any trouble developing carrier landing procedures for the F4U-1. It appears the reason for the land basing was, as previously mentioned, just a logistical solution to a problem of a mixed fighter fleet on carriers.

[earl1937]

You take screen shots with Alt S (hold down Alt and hit S). This creates a bitmap image in the scrshot folder inside the Aces High folder (which is found on your hard drive in the Hitech Creations folder). From there, you can open the image with any appropriate software and crop or resize as you wish. You can create free account on something like Photobucket or Mediafire. You upload the image and copy its URL. On the forum, you click on the insert image button and paste the URL where the cursor is blinking (just hit Ctrl V). You can add text above and/or below the image. When you click "post", the image will appear in your post.

Thanks for tips guys! I knew how to screen shot and knew where they were in AH folder, but I have been trying to transfere from that folder to personal pictures, where I would then use Photo bucket to post in the forum. I also know how to use the image link for posting in here and have been doing that, but I now have a new question: Can I "drag" the screen shot I want to use to "my pictures" folder with out having to convert from bmap?

[The Fugitive]

Thanks for tips guys! I knew how to screen shot and knew where they were in AH folder, but I have been trying to transfere from that folder to personal pictures, where I would then use Photo bucket to post in the forum. I also know how to use the image link for posting in here and have been doing that, but I now have a new question: Can I "drag" the screen shot I want to use to "my pictures" folder with out having to convert from bmap?

Yes you can, the problem is that bmp files are pretty big. If you upload a bmp to photobucket I think it changes and saves it as a jpeg file which is a much smaller file format of the same picture. Also, due to size you aren't allowed to post bmp pictures on the boards.

So in short, sure you can just drag them to your picture folder, just be aware they take up a lot of room.

Uploading  in most cases it will have to be changed either by you with a picture program, or to a site like photobucket that changes them automatically.

To post a picture here you have to store the picture some place on the web and add the link to that picture to the "post image" code you get when you click the post image button.

Here's a tutorial on how to post pictures http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327528.0.html