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Offline MoMoney

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« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2003, 01:39:49 PM »
I wondered why the F-105 in X-plane Stalled out every time I nuddged the stick.  I thought an F-4 or F-105 shouldn't stall out very much because of T/W ratio.  Didn't think about the very high wingloading effect.  It would be nice to hear HiTech or Pyro or anybody with an "educated" opinion on the subject.

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« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2003, 01:41:21 PM »
Oh and a comment of the guns of the era.

Yes they were very lethal, pretty much if you hit something, its torn to pieces.  The cannon in the Thunderchief and the F-4E (or gunpods in the C/D) have a rate of fire of 6,000 rpm, and the Soviet NR-23, Gsh-23, and NR-30 are nasty nasty rounds.

Combine this with the fact that in fighters of the era, that there is little to no "empty space", if you hit, its something important.  Also design choices play a role.  For some reason in the early and mid "jet era" they stopped using self sealing fuel tanks (weight I guess), and the cockpit visibility is extremely poor in most aircraft allowing for alot of "blind bounces".

I have watched a gun camera clip during Vietnam of a Thud killing a MiG-17F with its gun.  A single 0.75 burst, hitting right on the spine of the aircraft where the trailing edge of the wings meet the fuselage, and it literally looked like a buzz saw hit the plane.  I couldn't count the number of hit flashes, but the burst seperated both wings, the rear fuselage, and the horizontal/vertical stabilizers as one piece, with countless other hits spread over the aircraft.  Very very scary.

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« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2003, 02:22:38 PM »
heh, I've really only been flying the F100D, I guess I have 20-30 kills so far with it, and all but 4-5 with guns.

Only had one aircraft survive a gun hit, though he was smoking badly.  Often 1 hit kills the badguy...  I have weapons set to hard.  Not so sure this is realistic.

The F100 is only using 4 20's, not sure of the ROF...


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« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2003, 02:35:16 PM »
Oh and about never seeing a injured plane in StrikeFighters.  I'm flying the Korean Mod and w/ those 50cal's in the Sabre you have to make multiple passes to kill a Beagle-for example.  I hit one last night with about 100rounds and it flew off (smoking).

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« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2003, 02:51:29 PM »
The four M39s in the F-100D give 6000 rounds per minute combined, without the spinup time penalty of the rotary gun.  I think they use the same round, so muzzle velocity and ballistics are about the same.

I've definitely seen Beagles survive multiple gun passes.  Frescos usually die pretty easily though.

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« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2003, 03:48:00 PM »
Verm,

How's your project going?

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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2003, 10:22:53 AM »
Funked, I think your right.  I believe they use the same round.  I'll look when I get home.  

One bad point is that historically, the Colt M39 was considered highly unreliable and prone to jamming.  At least in the Crusader.  Not sure about the Hun.   While the gatling cannon was about foolproof and highly effective.

Puke, its coming along.  I had to delay work on it for several months while I studied for my PE License (ie Professional Engineers License...  WOOOhhooooo I passed :) :) :) )  But the last couple of weeks I'm back on track.  If your coming to the CON remind me to show you what I've got.

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« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2003, 10:43:40 AM »
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Oh and about never seeing a injured plane in StrikeFighters.  I'm flying the Korean Mod and w/ those 50cal's in the Sabre you have to make multiple passes to kill a Beagle-for example.  I hit one last night with about 100rounds and it flew off (smoking).


Where'd you find the Korean mod?
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« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2003, 02:42:12 PM »
You can get the Korean Mod here:

http://www.biohazcentral.com

its not a complete mod...kinda like a mini-mod.  B-29 is comming later + more objects and planes..........

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« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2003, 05:45:23 PM »
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Funked, I think your right.  I believe they use the same round.  I'll look when I get home.  

One bad point is that historically, the Colt M39 was considered highly unreliable and prone to jamming.  At least in the Crusader.  Not sure about the Hun.   While the gatling cannon was about foolproof and highly effective.

Puke, its coming along.  I had to delay work on it for several months while I studied for my PE License (ie Professional Engineers License...  WOOOhhooooo I passed :) :) :) )  But the last couple of weeks I'm back on track.  If your coming to the CON remind me to show you what I've got.


Congrats on the PE, I'm going to take the exam soon myself.

M39 had some early problems in the F-86 but by the 60's it was a reliable weapon.  
The gun in the Crusader was the Mk 12, based on the trusty Hispano.  It fired a 20x110 round.