Author Topic: even in the CT they managed... (Read 1246 times)

ergRTC · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2003, 05:39:29 PM »

Seriously lazs, what miska and the others said. There are about 5 squads in the CT that just setup 'missuns' (we dont use the missun planner, no point) to do something creative. No reason to capture bases as that only leads to a reset which means the map goes loopy in the CT. Some of the best missions have been factory bombing in the big week map with escorted b17s.

Now dont tell me intercepting 25+ b17s over the target with a horde of ta152s, and me262s doesnt sound like fun to you.

icemaw · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2003, 06:29:08 PM »

You guys are wasting your time trying to reason with Lazs. If you dont play by his rules you have to get out of his sandbox. Coarse the thing he doesnt understand is its not his sandbox. Its everyones so he throws his temper tantrums ranting and raving about this and that. Pointing fingers and calling people names like the todler he is. He can only be pacified with a arena that has all the bases 5 miles apart and everyone plays by his rules.
He should just step up build a H2H map that fits his style of gameplay and leave the rest of us alone. Then he could set all the paramiters and boot people out that didnt play by his rules.

BTW Lazs the CT is not the furball arena. Its an allied vrs axis arena with setups from various timelines and theaters during the war. Lazs there is no furball arena everone keeps telling you that over and over again but it does not seem to sink in. The checkertails are using it exactly as it was intended to be used when it was first conceved.

I am simply pointing out the facts. I figure if I do it enough even someone like Lazs will get the point. But hey I am an optimist.

Dennis · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2003, 08:57:28 PM »

Agreed, o0Stream140o.
I was just pointing out to lazs that this is the norm for some CT squads, and those of us who, as a general rule, don't find chasing high-alt bombers to be much fun, do manage to still find fun in the CT in spite of it.

No harm, no foul.
Funny how we keep resurrecting the same old squabbles.

As for me, I do enjoy the occasional intercept mission. I remember a particularly enjoyable one over Europe awhile back. But it's not my bread-and-butter, so I've learned to search elsewhere for ways to get shot down.

Splash1
13th Sentai

o0Stream140o · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2003, 11:02:54 PM »

Splash,
we haven't ran to many high alt bombing missions, we have just started to expeirement with somthing... My aggression was not pointed towards you, but it does become frustrating when you have to defend your actions to everyone all the time. To most people Furballing or Yank and Bank is the most important thing that happened in WW2... it was a basic part of it... but there were other aspects to the war other than that... We are just concontrating on that aspect. If people can understand that, sorry. We are not going to stop flying the way we want to just to please a certian few...

beet1e · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2003, 05:47:10 AM »

I agree with icemaw. It sounds to me that Lazs is complaining about players exercising their right to fly how they want to fly.

Nifty · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2003, 10:48:00 AM »

all lazs is doing is trying to find a good fight that doesn't take 10-15 minutes of sight seeing (or alt grabbing) to get to.

You play this game long enough, and all that sight seeing in between fights is pretty damned boring to some of us. I put up with it once a week in Squad Ops on Friday nights. Even that gets a little old. Let's say I live the full 120 minutes of an event. I'd say 100-110 minutes of that does not even involve seeing an enemy plane within icon range.

Usually I play the CT after squad ops, and I do it for one reason. I know I can find (usually) pretty fun dogfights pretty quickly.

I've intercepted your huge B-17 missions twice in the CT. Pretty boring. Climb up to alt, tool around for 30 minutes, make a few passes, sustain engine damage from the hail of about 20+ 50 cal turrets trained in on me, ditch or die, and log off wondering why didn't I just furball for the last 30 minutes.

I don't care how you fly, as long as I can still find a fun fight. If I can't, I just log off. Lazs just tries to goad you into playing with him so he can have the good fight. No different than goading that damned alt monkey to come down and play, or that extending pony to actually turn and fight.

I want to RTB alive too. I'd just rather do it after mixing it up with some enemies first. Sometimes that gets me in over my head and I get whacked. Yeah, I coulda avoided the situation and had another sightseeing tour, but where's the fun in that?

ergRTC · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2003, 11:20:00 AM »

Well, I enjoy realistic situations. For example in the t and b 'fun' that people crave so much, instant action is not possible for a plane like the p40b. Sure you can do it, but you are gonna end up toast if you dont have 9 to 2 odds. You need to climb at least 10k if you want to rtb.

If you dont care about rtb, or being able to fly a plane the way it was historically, *(who the hell wants to fly a p47 at 1k against niks?) then staying in the MA shouldnt be a problem for you.

Now that being said, the best way I see to have fun in this game is to use the aircraft for the strategy and roles it was used in the war. P40b is again a great example. Keep your speed and alt up, and you are unstoppable by early war japanese aircraft. Even if they are at 25k and you are at 10k, they cannot get you if you play it smart (wait till they dive on you then dive into a reverse, they bleed all their E trying to turn with you, end up below you cause they are compressing, and you are doing 400 mph in the opposite direction).

Of course this takes patience, but it is very worthwhile to experience the strat that those guys figured out in the RL planes.

If you want to up into furballs, go to the ma, pull out your 205, nik, or la7 and enjoy. Dogfighting at 1k in a ta152 or 190d is not what the designers of those airplanes had in mind. You dont need a 30mm cannon to take a fighter down.

As far as the b17 guns are concerned, they need to do something about that. Even I admit they are way way to 'laser'. What they need to do is beef up the airframe and make the unmanned guns much much worse shots.

Sakai · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2003, 12:01:42 PM »

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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Laz, some guys like the Checkertails, jG51, 880 and a few others actually have an objective and enjoy flying a ralatively realistic type mission. They depart a rear base, climb for alt, meet up with escorts (if any) attack a target, fly smart and RTB ALIVE!!!!

You wanna furball? stay in the MA

I love seeing missions in the CT, it's historicaificated, -ucational, -irrific, whatever, it's more you know what like.

In the MA, our squad (Hammerheads) sometimes runs "historic" missions where we will take 17s and 51s/47s escort and do something fun. I love that stuff, there is nothing non-CT about shooting a 190 or 109 off a 17s tail in your D-25 47. The teamwork, the strike, the whiteknuckle flying, hearing the buffs call out bandits . . .it's a gas.

Alternatively, I sometimes take a 190 or 110 up high high and look for buff formations, I love that stuff.

Sakai

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2003, 02:41:47 PM »

icemaw, or can I just call you ICE or... top gun?? I never have tantrums and rarely get angry even... It was a simple question... I don't care how people fly I was just wondering what the point was with so few on. If it's boring to me I will simply do something else.

intercepting 25 B17's in wich there is only 7 real players with 262's or 152's or whatever sound like fun? Not in the least... sounds like a horrible waste of time to me.. Not that it's not ok for others.... just not me.

The CT had some decent fights but none of them revolved around that so called "missun" at least you guys don't claim to be "winning the war" tho. You just like to... to what? blow stuff (buildings and such) up? seriously...I don't get the point.. Maybe it is a good way for you all to catch up on what has been going on in your lives?

I don't know... I have never understood it. Apparently the reverse is true. You seem to think that furballs are..... repetitious? I honestly believe that after all these years, they are the only real fun to be had in these sims and that I have never seen 2 furballs that were the same but that you can burn out on the "missuns" pretty quickly.

lazs

Miska · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2003, 03:10:10 PM »

Lazs, to me at least the point is to set up and carry out realistic mission profiles. The interest is part historical, but also part entertainment. I do find the low alt furball incredibly limited, repetitious and boring. To each his own I guess.

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2003, 05:11:15 PM »

Ok miska... I will take you at your word that you enjoyed that "missun". I guess I am just having problems understanding it... I mean... in the fur, you are doing something.. Sa is strained and you don't have time for anything else... heart pounding stuff. Dry mouth quart of water per hour stuff. eyes burn cause you forgot to blink for a long time stuff.

When I went on "missuns", we did nothing but climb and then level out and then the bombers bombed... mostly nothing tho. I coulda done all my bills or mowed the lawn and not missed anything.

In the missun iin the ct that I was talking about... there was no action at all except for about 4 guys who peeled off from the (escort?) duty to follow a con down... they all died but they did see some action.

Honestly, the rest... so far as I could tell..... didn't get to do anything at all for 20 minutes or more. Did I miss something?

lazs

Miska · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2003, 05:34:05 PM »

you did