Author Topic: I know its early yet... (Read 2071 times)

Reschke · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2004, 03:40:39 PM »

For me flying a 190 variant or a Corsair isn't much different. Both aircraft have good to outstanding roll characteristics and allow you to work for the overshoot from a defensive position. In a La series or Yak against the Corsairs and 190s I have found they do fairly well in the same areas.

However when I fly in a La series or Yak I find it much easier to fight and live in a good sized fight. The one time I got to fly in Kurland I had a pretty good setup going by staying defensive and letting Najdorf and Cmorum bag some kills of 190s and 109s chasing my tail. At one point it was a 5 vs 1 at <200 feet over the water with me being the 1 in a Yak (20mm cannon only) and I got two or three kills before having to crash land it when the engine died from a radiator hit.

Grits · « **Reply #31 on:** April 15, 2004, 11:20:15 AM »

Niki has made a huge comeback against the SpitIX. Everything else is pretty even.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 582 kills and has been killed 768 times against the N1K2.
The Spitfire Mk IX has 152 kills and has been killed 133 times against the Ki-61.
The Spitfire Mk IX has 210 kills and has been killed 187 times against the A6M5b.

The Typhoon IB has 190 kills and has been killed 170 times against the N1K2.
The Typhoon IB has 47 kills and has been killed 44 times against the Ki-61.
The Typhoon IB has 40 kills and has been killed 23 times against the A6M5b.

So I guess the reason I didn't feel the RAF had an advantage in aircraft is because they didn't.

Urchin · « **Reply #32 on:** April 15, 2004, 12:20:22 PM »

Niki vs spit 9 is basically an even fight. The niki turns better once it gets its flaps out, the Spit 9 rolls better, climbs a little better, and has crisper handling. Nikis got better firepower in a snapshot, spits got better firepower for killing a runner.

The Ki-61 is vastly inferior to the Spit 9, the A6M is a better turner but that is it. Usually CT pilots are more prone toward timidity, so you won't get many that will try to fight a A6M in anything... they'll bore n zoom while they wait for reinforcements.

Grits · « **Reply #33 on:** April 15, 2004, 12:48:57 PM »

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Usually CT pilots are more prone toward timidity, so you won't get many that will try to fight a A6M in anything... they'll bore n zoom while they wait for reinforcements.

Thats a pretty broad brush your painting with Urch. I know lots of guys who do what you describe, but I know just as many in the CT (me included) who wade right into just about any odds fights. The night before last when the furball light was on between A4-A5 nobody on either side ran, and we had huge (for the CT) multi-layer fights all night. Last night after the landgrab weenies took A4 in the daytime, fights were much less fun.

Squire · « **Reply #34 on:** April 15, 2004, 01:51:08 PM »

Clearly the RAF a/c are the better ones...but that doesnt mean the CT #s are going to come out that way, they rarely do.

Grits · « **Reply #35 on:** April 15, 2004, 01:56:51 PM »

I agree that the better aircraft does not always have the better numbers, and is the original reason I started this thread. I do not agree that the RAF planes (at least not the Spit) are clearly better than the Niki. The Tiffie, in this week at least, is the uber-plane of the set and you should never be kilt in one if you even halfway fly it with some common sense (you'll noctice however that *I* have been kilt twice in it:D).

Urchin · « **Reply #36 on:** April 15, 2004, 08:11:32 PM »

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Thats a pretty broad brush your painting with Urch. I know lots of guys who do what you describe, but I know just as many in the CT (me included) who wade right into just about any odds fights. The night before last when the furball light was on between A4-A5 nobody on either side ran, and we had huge (for the CT) multi-layer fights all night. Last night after the landgrab weenies took A4 in the daytime, fights were much less fun.

I can only call it like I see it. Usually in the Ct I end up flying over and around an enemy base with 2-5 guys cowering in the ack refusing to do anything. I don't even know why they bother to up. The more "agressive" ones will try to bait you into diving into their ack with a split-S after a brief spray and pray pass... the normal ones don't even do that.

People don't want to fight in the CT. Of course, most people don't want to fight in the MA either. I think, to borrow a term, that most folks in the CT are at the stage of "concious incompetence".. meaning they know they suck and have no desire to keep dying (even though that is how one improves), whereas the average MA newbie is at the stage of "unconcious incompetence".. meaning he completely sucks, but he is still willing to mix it up until he realizes just how completely he sucks. Then he comes to the CT.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 15, 2004, 08:14:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Niki vs spit 9 is basically an even fight. The niki turns better once it gets its flaps out, the Spit 9 rolls better, climbs a little better, and has crisper handling. Nikis got better firepower in a snapshot, spits got better firepower for killing a runner.

The Ki-61 is vastly inferior to the Spit 9, the A6M is a better turner but that is it.

I agree with all of this (note I deleted the part about CT pilots being wusses. I HAVE been to the MA once or twice and observed the runners there).

I have been truly surprised at how close the spit 9 and nik are. I think I'd rather be in the spit, but they're about the two most evenly matched planes I've seen anywhere.

I was also surprised by how much fun this setup has been, battle of the dweeb planes that it is. Still, I have the odd sense that we're playing the game with a big plastic bat and a whiffle ball.

- oldman

Batz · « **Reply #38 on:** April 15, 2004, 08:15:07 PM »

lol

WTFG Urchin, Vulch kills on the forum...

Grits dont take off...

Grits · « **Reply #39 on:** April 15, 2004, 11:07:12 PM »

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Grits dont take off...

Im not afraid of a fight Batz, in here or in the CT.

I dont totally disagree with Urch, I just think as a daily participant in the CT I have a better sense of it as a whole than he does.

As I said, I know lots of folks in the CT that only engage when they have the advantage in some form, both in the tactical sense, and the larger sense of what side has the best planes. Since I always fly for whichever side has less up (which means 90% of the time I'm flying axis), its possible by that alone I end up fighting more than those that only fly allied or axis, I dont know. I can say without any doubt that MOST[/i] of the time I have no trouble finding someone to engage.

The night before last when Urch was up, it was really bad, no doubt about that. The closest bases were 1.5+ sectors apart and eveyone was flying, well, timid. I think this is a byproduct of the climb to alt, folks dont want to blow that investment, while when the bases are very close like tonight (A4-A5 again) folks get 3-5k and head straight for the fight. YMMV of course.

najdorf · « **Reply #40 on:** April 16, 2004, 10:04:33 AM »

Of course the other side of this arguement is that a lot of folks that fly the CT are looking for a little more emmersion than your regular MA junkie. Part of flying as if this were real is not engaging in a manner that is suicidal. If I'm flying a spit 9 and I see 3 nikis coming who are above me, I'm probably going to look for some help.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 16, 2004, 11:41:30 AM »

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If I'm flying a spit 9 and I see 3 nikis coming who are above me, I'm probably going to look for some help.

Heh heh. If you're flying a spit 9 and you saw three niks above you, you probably weren't flying in the CT this week.

Or maybe you were. Seems to me there were a number of times I eased down into what was suddenly a cloud of spits, with Typhoons zooming in and out of the mess.

I think Urchin is just pulling chains here. One of the main reasons you can't have much fun with a slow plane in the MA is that you can't catch any of the people who are running away from you.

And as for you ackrunners: we know who you are, and we make faces at you.

- oldman

Grits · « **Reply #42 on:** April 16, 2004, 11:58:14 AM »

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Or maybe you were. Seems to me there were a number of times I eased down into what was suddenly a cloud of spits, with Typhoons zooming in and out of the mess.

Grits:OTW oldman, Im 3.5k out
Oldman:cc

(get into con range and see Oldman doing the Tango with 8 spits and a sprinkling of Tiffies)

Grits: holy CRAP! where did all these Spits come from?!?
Grits:this is gonna be ugly...
SYSTEM:You have been killed
SYSTEM: You have been shot down by TheBug
Grits:doh! that was dumb

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I think Urchin is just pulling chains here.

He is, which is OK.

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And as for you ackrunners: we know who you are, and we make faces at you.

And oooohhh, if you could only see the faces Oldman makes...its...its...oohhh I cant look.