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Offline Simaril

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2005, 01:48:07 PM »
Oh, beleive me --  I agree that we should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups (an alternate definition of government).

But how can individuals (and individual comapnies) be motivated to do things for the common good with only indirect benefit to themselves?
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2005, 01:58:51 PM »
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Oh, beleive me --  I agree that we should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups (an alternate definition of government).

But how can individuals (and individual comapnies) be motivated to do things for the common good with only indirect benefit to themselves?



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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2005, 02:38:49 PM »
Sim, the Internet's major infrastructure growth happened at the hands of ISP's all over this country.

This was back when there was a ton of competition.  That competition has dwindled to almost nothing today.  Where there used to be 30, or so, nationwide Tier 1 providers, we now have 4 or 5 (if that).
Per region, there may be 2 Tier 1 providers.  There simply is not enough competition anymore.  No reason for them to bust a nut to make sure the infrastructure is properly extended.

The reasons for the death of the competition are many and complex.  Some were just managed poorly.  Some were run out of business by using legal loopholes.  Some were closed due to not being able to take on a large legal battle to defend what they built.  Some were victims of thier environments.

I ran an ISP business for 7 years.  It was doing really well, until Verizon decided I was doing too well, and they offered all my DSL clients free service for 1 year and waived the switch-over fee.
Within 30 days, I lost 80% of my DSL client base.  I closed my doors.  Come to find out, Verizon and other telcos, had a pretty neat deal going on.  Once every 6 to 8 months they would target an ISP and do the same thing.

What they did to me was illegal.  I even called them and told them that, and they responded, "It is the way we do business now."  The State Attorney never responded to my complaint.  You see, Verizon's headquarters are based in Texas.  One ISP took Verizon to court.  Won a judgement.  9 years and 2 bankruptcies later he had not gotten one dime from Verizon.  

The FTC has also ignored the complaints, as well as the FCC.  This type of thing has been happening for the last 10 years, all over the nation, in a slow but sure takeover of the Internet by the telcos.  Each year there are fewer and fewer ISP's.
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2005, 03:01:57 PM »
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Someone sees it as a cheap way to make a buck.

Sparks, I could explain it in detail, but experience has taught me, people do not care to hear about how downloading a DVD, or using VOIP is screwing up the Internet.  Multiply that by a few million people and,...nevermind.

No one wants to hear the bandwidth between countries is already peaked and new cable infrastructures under the Atlantic/Pacific are not forthcoming.  This is a big one.

VOIP is all about making everyone pay for it.  It's a neat scheme.  They only pay for thier local bandwidth while the rest of the world suffers the tanking of available bandwidth and is forced to upgrade.  Pretty cool.  Sort of like a long distance robbery scheme.

Anyway, I am wasting my time talking about this.  I am sure there are many who will claim, "I can download all of Hollywood in 22 seconds with no problem."  And I am sure they will proceed to do so.

Skuxzzy, I, for one, had no idea. What you just typed was very illuminating for me. Made me want to investigate this phemon.....phemimon...phenomi nium....problem.

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2005, 03:55:24 PM »
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Why are you asking me?  I have no idea what kind of connection you should have.  Something being lost in translation?


Sounds like he has DSL2.

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2005, 03:58:23 PM »
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VOIP is all about making everyone pay for it.  It's a neat scheme.  They only pay for thier local bandwidth while the rest of the world suffers the tanking of available bandwidth and is forced to upgrade.  Pretty cool.  Sort of like a long distance robbery scheme.


I'm sorry Skuzzy, but it doesn't seem like it's the VOIP companies that have faulty business plans. I really can't blame them for taking advantage of someone else's idiocy.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2005, 06:28:23 PM »
is VOIP the same as digital?  I am using the digital phone service provided by my cable company.  Just wondering if its the same or not.

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2005, 07:16:06 PM »
I'm wondering when I2 is gonna get corrupted with commercial buy-in for use with commodity internet.

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2005, 08:20:48 PM »
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is VOIP the same as digital?  I am using the digital phone service provided by my cable company.  Just wondering if its the same or not.

yes
your digital phone is using VOIP but like mine, probably only to the telco switch not like VONTAGE which stays on the internet the entire ride to the local switch of the number you are calling
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2005, 11:23:59 PM »
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yes
your digital phone is using VOIP but like mine, probably only to the telco switch not like VONTAGE which stays on the internet the entire ride to the local switch of the number you are calling


No, your digital phone is NOT necessarily using VoIP.

Voice over Digital does not mean Voice over IP.