Illegal Immigration? Oh Really???

[Hawco]

Originally posted by lazs2
The only solution is here.   We must jail the employers with mandatory sentances for even hiring one illegal knowingly.

We must make english the official language and not print anything that taxpayers pay for in any other language.

We must not give out any benifiets that are paid for by citizens to non citizens.

Any need for guest workers should be highly regulated and the employer should provide any health care or needs for the guest workers.

It really is a simple problem to solve but the politicians have no interest in solving it.

The democrats want millions of poor people to vote for thier socialist candidates and programs and the republicans are only about 50% better.

lazs

Whatever Politician from any party stood for that would get my vote in a heartbeat.

[wrag]

Originally posted by lazs2
The only solution is here.   We must jail the employers with mandatory sentances for even hiring one illegal knowingly.

We must make english the official language and not print anything that taxpayers pay for in any other language.

We must not give out any benifiets that are paid for by citizens to non citizens.

Any need for guest workers should be highly regulated and the employer should provide any health care or needs for the guest workers.

It really is a simple problem to solve but the politicians have no interest in solving it.

The democrats want millions of poor people to vote for thier socialist candidates and programs and the republicans are only about 50% better.

lazs

I agree BUT what if everything you prupose is not outlawed by a treaty?

[DREDIOCK]

This was sent to me in one of those "Forward to  everyone you know" Emails.

Probably a BS story behind it. But the idea is 100% right on.

Oh, and you dont have to Email it to everyone you know LOL



Newspapers simply won't publish letters to the
Editor which
They either deem politically incorrect (read below) or
Which don't
Agree with the philosophy they're "pushing" on the
Public. This
Woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should
Have been
Published - but with your help it will get "published"
Via
Cyberspace!




Subject: New immigrants


New Immigrants
From: "David LaBonte"


My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the
Editor of
The OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So,
I decided
To "print" it myself by sending it out on the
Internet. Pass it along
If you feel so inclined.


Dave
LaBonte (signed)




Written in response to a series of letters to the
Editor in the
Orange County Register:


Dear Editor:

So many letter writers have based their arguments
On how this
Land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one,
Suggests we
Should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the
People now in
Question aren't being treated the same as those who
Passed through
Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point
Out to
People like Mr.Lujan why today's American is not
Willing to accept
This new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900
When there was
A rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United
States, people
Had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New
York and be
Documented. Some would even get down on their hands
And knees
And kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the
Laws and
Support their new country in good and bad times. They
Made learning
English a primary rule in their new American
Households and some
Even changed their names to blend in with their new
Home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to
Give their
Children a new life and did everything in their power
To help
Their children assimilate into one culture.

Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no
Welfare,
No labor laws to protect them. All they had were the
Skills and
Craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for
A future of
Prosperity. Most of their children came of age when
World War II
Broke out. My father fought along side men whose
Parents had come
Straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan.
None of these
1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about
What country
Their parents had come from. They were Americans
Fighting Hitler,
Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were
Defending the United
States of America as one people. When we liberated
France, no one
In those villages were looking for the
French-American, African-American,
German-American, Irish-American and more. The people
Of France saw
Only Americans. And we carried one flag that
Represented one country.
Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought
About picking
Up another country's flag and waving it to represent
Who they were.
It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had
Sacrificed
So much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what
It meant to
Be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one
Red, white
And blue bowl.

And here we are in 2006 with a new kind of
Immigrant who wants
The same rights and privileges. Only they want to
Achieve it by
Playing with a different set of rules, one that
Includes the
Entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to
Their mother
Country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American
Is all
About. I believe that the immigrants who landed on
Ellis Island in
The early 1900's deserve better than that for all the
Toil, hard work
And sacrifice in raising future generations to create
A land that
Has become a beacon for those legally searching for a
Better life.
I think they would be appalled that they are being
Used as an
Example by those waving foreign country flags.

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Originally posted by lazs2
The only solution is here.   We must jail the employers with mandatory sentances for even hiring one illegal knowingly.

We must make english the official language and not print anything that taxpayers pay for in any other language.

We must not give out any benifiets that are paid for by citizens to non citizens.

Any need for guest workers should be highly regulated and the employer should provide any health care or needs for the guest workers.

It really is a simple problem to solve but the politicians have no interest in solving it.

The democrats want millions of poor people to vote for thier socialist candidates and programs and the republicans are only about 50% better.

lazs

I agree. But.
We must also punish those who enter this country illegally as well.
Like I said in another post. There is NO innocent parties here.

They knowingly enter this country illegally.
when you knwoingly do somethign illegal. That by definition makes you a criminal.

I detest seeing these people walking around at protests with signs "We are not ciminals"

Yes. you are.

If caught at the boarder trying to sneak in. Like I said. Shoot them. Just as you would any invading force.

OR at least shoot at them to make them turn around

If caught while in this country. Deport them with the penalty being. You will loose any future chance you may have had of entering and living/working in this country.

If caught a second time. Jail them for a period of 5 years hard labor. Then deport them back to their country of origin

I dont feel sorry for these people that come in illegally. I dont.
Particularly when there are plenty of people willing and waiting in line to do it legally.

No free passes. No free lunches.
Do NOT pass go
Do NOT collect $200

[moot]

There needs to be a rule for particularly haphazard text formatting.

[lazs2]

There would be nothing wrong with building a wall at the border.. It might even help.. cut down say 30% or so of the flow on it's own.   It needs to be done in conjunction with jailing the employers tho.

You would not need to round up the illegals.... if there was no work for them and no benifiets and they couldn't communicate... they would leave.   Or..  stay in slums and be deported whenever arrested.

As for treaties?  there is no treaty that does not allow for the jailing of employers.

lazs

[Charon]

The only solution is here. We must jail the employers with mandatory sentances for even hiring one illegal knowingly

Laz is correct, that is the only way. As he pointed out though, neither party wants to actually stop the problem (unlike many who actually elected them). I believe he is being a bit generous about the Republicans being "50%" -- I believe the federal republican leadership is about 110% against solving the problem, but that changes at the state level.

There would be nothing wrong with building a wall at the border.. It might even help.. cut down say 30% or so of the flow on it's own. It needs to be done in conjunction with jailing the employers tho.

I see this almost exclusively as a way to pretend to solve the problem without doing anything to actually solve the problem. The added benefit is that it resprests some amazing opportunities to waste our tax dollars on a huge pork project -- if they can get the funding. Kind of a WIN/WIN


If anything will shake up the Ford/Chevy - brand political cancer we have here with the two parties I think this is it.  It's hard for even the most partisan voter to ignore what they say to appease the "base" is not backed up by actual action when it doesn't suit their personal selfish agendas.

Charon

[lazs2]

charon... I also see the fence as an appeasement but it is not totaly worthless in my opinion.

It would indeed stop some 30% or so of the least desperate and... to a large extent... send a message to the mexican government and people and... to our people... the fence might make people here think it is allright to fight illegal immigration...


It might make em look at employers a little more negatively also...  it certainly won't hurt.

If the government appears to be trying to do something... the people will gain confidence and do more on their own.   This I believe.

Still... that is nothing if the government doesn't jail the employers... fines won't be enough.. only jail will work.. and that includes the beverly hills houswife who hires juanita for a maid.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by lazs2

As for treaties?  there is no treaty that does not allow for the jailing of employers.

lazs

And besindes. The US government isnt exactly well known for keeping its treaties.

Ask just about any indian tribe