Iran

[john9001]

nukes are a over reaction, a few well placed bullets are all that is needed, where is 007 when you need him?

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by Viking
You saw a French-German weapon system that has been in production since the 1970's and is widely exported and was in use by Iraq long before the war ... and you take this as proof that the French were selling weapons to Iraq during the embargo? And the AT-3 Sagger is a 1960's era weapon. Deductive reasoning seems not to be your strongest suit sir.

Well the French have been selling arms to Iraq forever. I stood in a bunker in 1991, during Desert Storm, that was filled with French Light Anti Tank Rockets. My unit took those rockets with us when we left the area. 48 cases total with 2 rockets per case. I don't remember the designation of the things but they were the French version of the old LAWS rocket the US used before the AT-4 came online. I saw them with my own eyes. I held them in my own hands. I fired 3 of them just to see what they could do.

[Hornet33]

As far as dealing with the current situation in Iran, how about this for a reply.

Tell Iran they 48 hours to release those sailors and marines or they will pay a stiff price. Then fly over Terran with a B-2 bomber and open the doors so it can be picked up on radar for a few seconds, take a couple of pictures and release those to the press with a statement that in 48 hours that plane will be back, and when it is detected on radar again it will be dropping off a few presents targeted on a few selected locations, like the idiot Iranian presidents home, the building where the ruling Islamic mullas hang out, that sort of thing.

Send a couple of F-22's along for escort and blow anything that gets within 50 miles of the bomber out of the sky.

When planes start popping up on their radars and then dissapear again without a trace, and then things just start blowing up around them, they might get the hint that we're not messing around anymore.

[Stoney74]

Could be he was alluding to this:

"In 2003, controversy erupted between Poland and France when Polish forces from the Multinational force in Iraq found French Roland surface-to-air missiles and Polish and international press reported that Polish officers claimed had been manufactured in 2003. France pointed out that the latest Roland missiles were manufactured in the early 1990s and thus the manufacturing date was necessarily an error (it turned out it was probably the expiry date that was indicated), and affirmed that it had never sold weapons to Iraq in violation of the embargo. Investigations by the Polish authorities came to the conclusion that the persons responsible for the scandal were low level commanders, Wojskowe Służby Informacyjne the Polish Army's intelligence had not verified their claims before they were leaked to the press. Poland apologized to France for the scandal, but these allegations against France worsened the already somewhat strained relationships between the two countries. The entire incident was called sarcasticly "Rolandgate" by the Polish media, using the unofficial naming conventions of US political scandals after Watergate..." (from Wiki)

Interestingly enough, a guy I worked with in 29 Palms told me that he found a mechanized (tracked) version of a Roland system during the invasion that had a data plate (on the chassis) that stated a date of manufacture of 2002.  He wouldn't lie about it, and was an intel type that knew his way around OPFOR vehicles.  Who knows?

[Gh0stFT]

it reminds me of the situation at the border of North Korea where
a us plane have to emergency land inside NK. after meet two
NK fighter pilots and collided with one.
Missions close to the border of an enemy are risky, what do you expect?
Get over it, next time be more carefully.

and some here calling for nukes
LOL *shaking head*

[john9001]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
it reminds me of the situation at the border of North Korea where
a us plane have to emergency land inside NK. after meet two
NK fighter pilots and collided with one.
Missions close to the border of an enemy are risky, what do you expect?
Get over it, next time be more carefully.

and some here calling for nukes
LOL *shaking head*

i thought that was china?

[RASTER]

Iran acted very foolishly regardless of any perdetermined path. The area is a war zone, where one missile set off anywhere by anyone will cause ships to react very quickly and the thoughtful would know its not recoverable at that point. A thoughtful nation would not be too critical of activities on a disputed border during an occupation. A thoughtful Iranian government, understanding of the problems in Iraq would be expected to simply stand aside,  assist or make a presence in an effort to help remove the smuggling which they also should be helping to prevent.  

That it was a holiday and that the Iranians were so close by, only indicates that the ship was smuggling. The British sailors can't be expected to disassemble the entire ship and as such they wouldn't discover much. The Iranians overreacted, rushed in and when they discovered the ship was cleared didnt know what to do to explain their hasty entry.

The British have a long history and know exactly how to resolve this. There will be no need for any kind of hostilities but it's still up in the air isn't it. It would be a good time to empty your embassy in Iran though as the Iranians have the same depth of reasoning as a bunch of college girls during March break and they are already climbing the British fence.

There will be a war with Iran. Not today perhaps but it will be soon. Israel is not going away and Islam will not change its hard line. It's soon but I doubt its today.

Drafting the youth of America seems a waste. Lots of old farts would love to end their tour in armchair combat. The reality of 50 and older personal stationed in North America fighting a war on the other side of the globe from an arm chair is not unrealistic. A nuclear war in the middle east is almost a certainty however. Nothing to be done about it but be happy with who you are and the things you have done in life.

RASTER

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by john9001
nukes are a over reaction, a few well placed bullets are all that is needed, where is 007 when you need him?

I agree with you John, but I was just addressing a "need" for Iran.