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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2007, 05:20:11 PM »
I think recruiting and posting your intentions in here is the best way to grow the arena. If nothing else you will get to the point we had together in gathering enough players to make for a FUN SN and then the arena is mostly empty the other nights of the week. Im surprised that there isnt a regular crowd in there all the time with such a large player base.
 HMMM maybe the ongoing problem that we have is just larger than low player base and is realism related. I have always felt that this sim had a younger player base than my sim resulting in dweebery. Do you think that is the case?  Is the AvA arena better for that than the MA?
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2007, 06:16:27 PM »
Humble, the main differences we've noticed between the arenas so far is, the AvA is no where near as chaotic as the main arenas; pretty much the same differences we saw in Warbirds main and WWII arenas.  Another thing we noticed is there seems to be a better skilled class of pilots haunting the AvA.  Not knocking any of the main arena pilots, but we are all old sticks and couldn't help notice the team work of the wingmen we flew against Thursday night.  It was like old times in the WWII Arena and we had a great time.  I had some fun 2 vs 1 fights that got the heart rate up; I landed some and I hit the chute some.  If you guys ever get frustrated enough to bail as we did, this place is worth considering and is very close to what we are used to; with the player base to have potential.  Would be nice to see some Ferrets drop in and fly with us sometime in here.  
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2007, 05:25:09 PM »
I miss huntin ferrets myself.  :rofl
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2007, 05:42:53 PM »
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Hey Humple,
What's it really like in there? I just like a good fight, I figured the dweebin would  fly around buzzin everybody. If it's a good place to fight I'll be there.



It's only a good fight if you go with a couple of people.  Once it gets beyond 5+, it just ends up turning into a typical cherry picking furball that you can find in any of the arenas.


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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2007, 01:07:22 AM »
The skill level of the average AvA'er is, IMO, much higher than in the MA.

Not that you can tell much by rank, but there's not many K/D's over 1.0 in AvA, even among the pros.  I can keep a 3.0 K/D in the MA, but I think I'm sporting like a 0.3 or something in AvA.

Just my opinion of course.
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2007, 02:57:39 AM »
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The skill level of the average AvA'er is, IMO, much higher than in the MA.

Not that you can tell much by rank, but there's not many K/D's over 1.0 in AvA, even among the pros.  I can keep a 3.0 K/D in the MA, but I think I'm sporting like a 0.3 or something in AvA.

Just my opinion of course.
I can't keep a 3.0 in any arena but I'm usually low in a 190 looking for a turnfight  :D   some of you guys care far too much about RTB'n.

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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2007, 11:02:24 AM »
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The skill level of the average AvA'er is, IMO, much higher than in the MA.

Not that you can tell much by rank, but there's not many K/D's over 1.0 in AvA, even among the pros.  I can keep a 3.0 K/D in the MA, but I think I'm sporting like a 0.3 or something in AvA.

Just my opinion of course.


That is not true toonces.  In the MA you get vulched, picked, ganged, cant make it back cause no ammo, no fuel, no oil, 5" gun, etc and you accumulate deaths.  In the AvA you could come in on a day that there are only 3 guys on and if you are just a litle bit better than them and they do take turns coming in, you could land 100 kills with 0 deaths.  You call no ammo or RTB and they let you go.  Try that in the MA, lol.  So, I can get a 50 K/D in the AvA in one day beating up on someone with less experience where on that same day my k/d in the MA would have been 0.5.

Oh, that and some of the people in the AvA like to feel special somehow so they do tell themselves they are better than the average MA.   Could be, possibly, maybe, mathematically because of the number of new guys in the MA be true, but it does not mean anything.
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2007, 11:48:22 AM »
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The skill level of the average AvA'er is, IMO, much higher than in the MA.

Not that you can tell much by rank, but there's not many K/D's over 1.0 in AvA, even among the pros.  I can keep a 3.0 K/D in the MA, but I think I'm sporting like a 0.3 or something in AvA.

Just my opinion of course.


The gameplay is different, "average" pilot quality isnt really. No question that by and large the AvA regulars are reasonably seasoned and have a good feel for alot of the less utilized rides and the actual matchups. so you clearly have alot less of what most would refer to the "noob/dweeb" class....but you also have very few of the elite sticks on either. So you have a more even mix.

Obviously my comments here are based on limited current time but here's what I saw.

The 1st set of hops were pretty similiar to what i'd say is the norm. Both fights were few on few...cons were either 190's or a 109F...fights were good but mostly plane match up driven not pilot driven. The "score" guys used friendlies as bait...looked to pick only and ran as soon as advantage was gone. So in my opinion game play was worse then the MA in some ways.


2nd set was a nice little furball at low alts. I had already decided i'd use the AvA time to begin working 38 if I was flying allied. Had a few good fights, got picked alot...didnt get to pick much which is 50% poor gunnery and 50% good SA on the other side. Had 1 great fight with a higher 109F that schooled me pretty well. I had to evade other cons a few times but regardless it was a very well flown attack...I actually ended up with a ditch so I have no clue who it was. 50% or more of my being picked was one guy who simply picked the furball in a 190 (3 or 4 other guys commented on him as well)....

So to me this is a "mixed" review as well. Most of the allies were flying hurricanes (not all) so you have a plane set that doesnt encourage a good set of fights IMO. The 109E doesnt have the pop/ammo and the F really has to E fight the canes. On the flip side the allies have no answer for the dweeb in the 190.

I've never really looked at the AvA scoring other then verifying the rank of the leading AvA noob. I'd say that the reality of the historical plane set actually encourages dweebery at the top. I let the dork (#1) up from a field. Gave him my alt and told him to grab as much alt as he wanted.

Well he got up to alt and then tried to lead me right to his ack.

So my biggest initial impression is that you cant combat a guy who simply picks the side with the "best" plane, also that the set forces you to fly a certain way alot of the time. I noticed alot of the guys who were "anti-cane" flying it all night....and I dont blame them.

To me these historical matchups are what the game is all about...in a scenario or FSO enviornment. As far as generic gameplay goes I didnt see any real benifit so far. Now the flip is that I could have flown the 38 as an E fighter and looked to pick the 109s and avoid the 190's....simply didnt fit my goals for the 38. I certainly had some fun and made some progress with the bird. The other option was fly the cane....which i just dont or go to the other side regardless of #'s.

I'll pop my head in anytime I see 7 or more and I'll be curious to see if my thoughts change over time. I know bat and some of the others used to pop in from time to time. I'll see if some of the boys are up to a bit of time in the AvA on one of the "squad nights"....

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2007, 02:09:27 PM »
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Most of the allies were flying hurricanes (not all)

Whats a hurricane?..oh its a drink..gotcha:D :rofl

I dont know why I stay away from it..It dont do it for me or I cant fly it! I get beat up bad in the AVA but I learn as i do..hell last night I only landed once..or should I say I landed once!:D
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2007, 04:20:48 PM »
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I let the dork (#1) up from a field. Gave him my alt and told him to grab as much alt as he wanted.

Well he got up to alt and then tried to lead me right to his ack.

Please do not project any generalities from this particular person's behavior.  I think that those who spend any time at all in AvA are in near-unanimous agreement that he is an extreme and belongs elsewhere.

Keep stopping by, Humble.  It's as tough to get an accurate picture of the AvA from one or two visits as it is for someone like me to comment knowledgeably on the side-leveling mechanism in the MAs (I can never remember its name).

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2007, 05:19:18 PM »
I intend to, I had fun and got what I came for which is some good work in the 38 in a "fair" enviornment....not one sprayer, "Hoer" or true horde monkey. All the fights were fun...my comments are an attempt to be objective in observation.

If we take the 109E vs the IIc we have very disimiliar fights. The E cant win the IIcs fight and the IIc cant force the fight on the E. So we have a "furball" of a different flavor. You can either "work the furball" or fly a fight you have a preset disadvantage in. In an MA "mixed furball" we have equal variety on both sides. So the IIc (or any similiar bird) has to have an awareness a bit different then a IIc in the current AvA set. In some ways its more challenging but on the flip side is creates a clear "side advantage" for each fighting style.

To be honest I really dont have that big an issue with the guy, beyond the fact that I wanted to fight. I've run into him in an A-20 in the MA a few times and he's got me a couple times and I forced him away a few times. Again he always was the highest guy and fought from the advantage and then left...I was hoping he'd at least offer me a fight on "his terms"...sadly he didnt.

I wont vulch and I wont attack anyone upping under 5k in a "1 on 1". Obviously the more guys like this the less appealing it is for someone looking for a good fight win or lose.

When your quest for "#1" turns you into a zero its a tough thing to see IMO.

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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2007, 09:16:12 AM »
Back to the original part of the post, I for one am looking on this announcement by the Avengers in a favorable light.

Other than there being a lack of Axis oriented Squads, I never really did understand Why "Squads" became looked down upon, in the CT of old, and why that particular sentiment carried over into the AvA.  Most of my most memorieable and enjoyable nights in AH were the nights some of the Squads announced what they were gonna do in advance on the BBs, and welcomed any and all to try and stop em.  A lot like Filth's Announced Missions.  

Most if not all CT regulars knew that on Tuesday and Thursday, there was a "Target Rich Environement" to be played in, with a sense of purpose included, ie. "We the {insert squad name} are going to up a Jabo Mission to kill the Ord factory in grid {insert map grid}.  Stop us if you can."

To be honest, I do miss that type of play, and the immersion that came along with it.  I do also remember the endless arguements about side balance, when most of the Squads were "dedicated" allied Squads.  I also remember a few dedicated players in the CT of old, leaving their Allied Squads and forming an Axis Squad, just to stop the silly arguements.  I remember it, because I was one of em.  So yes, I freely admit not all was wine and roses.  There were thorns aplenty, as well. :)

Do I prefer the AvA to the MA ?  Most definately.  Do I really like the endless furball between the 2 closest bases in the AvA?  Definately not.  I do it, depending on the rides available, and the players involved, if it is a better alternative to playing in the senseless BS of the MA.  Sadly enough, about half the time, there seems to be more to do or ways to have fun in the MA.

Due to the hours I work, Thursday will likely be the only night I'll be able to show up for an announced "Squad" night, to give em some opposition.  Perhaps, on one night a week, there will be a return to the days of old, with squads sluggin it out, using tactics and teamplay against each other.

Everybody in AH is now paying to play.  I'm not advocating changing anybody else's mind or playstyle to suit mine.  It's yer sub, play with it any way ya want.  I'm gonna show up if I can, and have what fun I can find, with whomever I can find.  Be it the Avengers, the JG54, the Gunfighters, or any and all individuals that desire a decent fight, before they shoot me down. :lol  And know in advance, I'll have no hesitation to simply leave, like everybody else, when whatever is goin on, don't tickle my fancy !
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