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Offline Golfer

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2009, 03:44:28 PM »
Anyhow, from his posts academics aren't an issue, so he's just got to put his head in straight over the course of the next year :)

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I don't think for a minute that academics are the issue.  His "year of hell" isn't going to get any better in the military and there is nothing fiction about that.  If he has issues dealing with beaurocracy, people he thinks are idiots and things that piss him off now then he's going to have a very rough go of it in the service.  There's a lot more to earning your wings, be it fixed or rotary, than simply being able to fly.  Being able to play the game, dealing with red tape and rolling with the punches are paramount to success in life.  It's frustrating, it's annoying and if I were king of the world things would be different but I don't know anyone who thinks different.

Offline sntslilhlpr6601

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2009, 03:49:10 PM »
I think you've got it wrong Golfer. I'm really surprised that everyone's piling on like this. The guy just finished his Junior year of high school. I don't know about you, but when I was a kid I certainly thought that high school was much more tragic that I do looking back. And I can certainly understand burning out on school. I think that's more of the problem than anything else right now: Looking at school and an obstacle instead of a path. Right now in young Serenity's mind school is something he has to conquer in order to get what he's want. I hope that he'll come to understand that school is a never-ending path that leads you to where you want to go.

Anyhow, from his posts academics aren't an issue, so he's just got to put his head in straight over the course of the next year :)

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I have to agree with this. High school was much harder for me than college is. It felt like a prison. So much so that me and my friends would violate the closed campus lunch rule and go off on our own just to escape (until we got caught so many times that they increased security). So I know how he feels. Its not about someone holding his hand, serenity is plenty smart enough to get through on his own, its the social atmosphere and the lack of freedom. College was like a breath of fresh air to me and I think he needs to look at it that way because as we all know he needs to get it done.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2009, 04:00:22 PM »
I don't think for a minute that academics are the issue.  His "year of hell" isn't going to get any better in the military and there is nothing fiction about that.  If he has issues dealing with beaurocracy, people he thinks are idiots and things that piss him off now then he's going to have a very rough go of it in the service.  There's a lot more to earning your wings, be it fixed or rotary, than simply being able to fly.  Being able to play the game, dealing with red tape and rolling with the punches are paramount to success in life.  It's frustrating, it's annoying and if I were king of the world things would be different but I don't know anyone who thinks different.


Sorry Golfer, I don't think I was clear. My point was not that things would get easier, but that he can mature a lot in the next year. What he thinks of today as a "year of hell" won't seem nearly so bad a few years down the road.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2009, 04:02:17 PM »
It's not so bad til you get 2 hours sleep a day for weeks straight =/
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2009, 04:05:21 PM »

You've got it backwards to some extent...  You say you don't want education unless it leads directly to something you want, but the reality is that the degree is a key that will open a number of doors to opportunities.  Yes, many great careers don't require degrees, but you will find that some paths are simply not available without a degree.  There is no better time to get that degree than right after high school, because there will always be an excuse or perfectly valid reason to not get it later.  And that means you will see opportunities pass you by.

For some, like urchin apparently, this isn't a big deal.  But I have found far more people who wish they had a degree because of the options it would have given them, than people who wished they'd skipped that step and gone straight to whatever it is they ended up doing.  A "real" bachelors of science degree (in something reasonably technical, not history of basket weaving or poetry) will conservatively add over $10,000 to your annual salary for the duration of your career.  In the military, being an officer instead of enlisted will add anywhere from $5000 to $50,000 per year to your salary, the amount of difference increasing with each promotion.  A pilot with 12 years of aviation service pulls down about $70,000 without bonuses.  An enlisted flier with the same years of service gets a bit over half of that.

The degree is a key, and it will open doors.  If you happen to actually USE what you learned in school in your job, that is just icing on the cake.  But it's still a key.

If you don't know what to do or study in school, start out engineering or computers.  That way you'll get some math out of the way as a freshman, that you'll need if you go into any technical degree program.  You can always switch later, but if you start out sciences/engineering/computers, you won't be playing catch-up with the hard subjects as a sophomore or junior.


Actually Eagl, I'm a perfect example of why you need an education.  The key point that I think a lot of folks don't realize is you need the RIGHT education.  If you go to college after high school just because it is the next stop in the road of life, and you diddly off and pick a retarded major like history, or music, or drama, or english - and you then proceed to get a dead end job changing tires, or working retail, or working at a gym, or whatever... you would have been better off enlisting for 3 years and growing up.  

Serenity, I never was in the service.  I wanted to join out of high school, I let my parents talk me out of it.  I got a history degree (that was 4.5 years wasted).  Out of college, a family friend got me a job at Goodyear as a "third key" (think... assistant assistant manager lol).  That lasted a couple months.  After that I bounced around between various dead end jobs for 3 years.  

I ended up going back to school at 26 - originally the plan was to get a master's degree in education and be a teacher.  The plan changed, I ended up getting another undergraduate degree, but I got a math degree.  I got my second degree in December of 2006.  I interviewed for my current job in January 2007, and started in April 2007.  My salary today is ~67k.  My salary next year will be ~78k.  My life (which was a veritable train wreck) is now on a solid track.

I'm not trying to brag.  I'm trying to tell you that education is important, but so is maturity.  Going to college "just because" like I did can be a mistake.  You WILL need a college degree at some point, there really is no getting around it.  You do NOT have to go to college and pick some crap degree that is worthless in the real world just because it means you will have a college degree.  

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2009, 04:07:26 PM »
Sik,

I don't think it's "piling on"...  He said some things that indicate his priorities might give him some problems in the near future, and it's much better to get that stuff straight before hard reality slaps him in the face.  That's the only reason I bothered to reply...  If a student of mine came into pilot training saying the same words Serenity wrote here, he'd have a hell of a time digging himself out of the craphole he'd get dumped into.

Academy life is tough, but even there they have people looking out for the cadets 7/24.  It's just as tough in pilot training, but in pilot training nobody is making sure you go to bed on time or get enough to eat, like they do at the academy.  I can't imagine that the Army helo training is any easier...  The USAF is pretty harsh on young officers because the expectations are very very high, but at least they don't have to stomp around in formation all the time or go through years of dorm inspections after they're commissioned.  Enlisted troops have to play those games for years after they go active duty.  The BS factor is high no matter which route is chosen, officer, enlisted, or warrant officer.  And the penalties for being a big baby about the whole thing are unpleasant.  Better Serenity hears about that now, rather than get crapped on after signing up when he asks someone about bonuses when he hasn't even earned the right to scratch his own butt without permission.

 
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2009, 04:32:18 PM »
Year of hell in high school?  You actually said that? 

Sorry, if high school was hell in any way, you're not going to like the services or college (at least a decent college) at all.  In high school, someone actually cares if you pass or fail.  In college no one gives a crap what happens to you, and in the services they WANT you to fail, to make room for a better candidate.  Both make you work harder than at any other time in your life, to that point.

Serenity, with all due respect, this thread has made you seem pretty naive and sheltered.   

Honestly, its not the social life, its not the work, its the attitude of the profs. One teacher in particular is a college prof on the side as well, and his attitude toward teaching honestly burned me out more than any AP class. I can take the academics. Its not hard. I can put in the hours. It's not hard. But being called at midnight, told I need to drop all of my other classwork to do some project that has nothing to do with the class he teaches because it caught his fancy... Honestly, if I make the academy, I'm going to go, and I'm sure I will enjoy it. From what I saw at Summer Seminar at Anapolis, the teachers there are much more... organized than those we have at colleges here. But if I dont make an Academy, I want a few years to stop despising professors in general so much. I'm not adverse to schooling, it's not too hard, I just want to avoid it if I can. I'm not looking at the military as some free and easy money. The bonus is just that, a bonus. If they dont give me jack, I'll still be more than happy to join and serve. But I wouldn't turn down a few bucks. Maybe after a year or two in college will be something I want. But at the moment, if I have another option to get me where I want to go, I like the sound of it. I'm not unwilling to put in the work, but I dont want to spend 4 years working my arse off if it won't get me any farther in the short-term than not.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2009, 06:22:54 PM »
you're already better set than most....you know exactly what you want to do, what the various paths are to get there, and from what i can see, you're well set up to do any of those routes and have a fair chance at success...so why the hell are you willing to settle for less, just because you figure that path might be a bit easier to take...based solely on not wanting to deal with love muffin professors...you'll be doing what some love muffin tells you no matter what you do...may as well have the carrot you want at the end of the road.

you seem to think you can do it so...do it. don't settle for less unless you have to.


"But if I dont make an Academy, I want a few years to stop despising professors in general so much"

if you don't like professors, then you'll really despise any higher up in any job. suck up, and who knows, you might find a good one.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2009, 10:21:02 PM »
     Back in the day when I was at Ft Rucker going to 67N School(UH-1)  I used to go down and watch the  Warrant officer Canidates go though their training, Man it looked rough it may have changed But somehow I don't think so.  Things that come to mind are the fake headstones in front of the barracks with wash out names on them, Morning formations in the front leaning rest postion over a smallditch running around with logs before meals and the old school sqaure meals. we had one guy in my class who washed out from WOC that told me they had 3am road marchs followed by  5 am class A inspections. That being said good luck, I wanted to fly too, it was easier to be a crewchief still got *fly*  :salute

 And did they tell you if you wash out they assign you to whatever the hell they feel like?




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Re: Military Question
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2009, 02:25:26 AM »
And did they tell you if you wash out they assign you to whatever the hell they feel like?




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Yeah lol. Good motivation to do damned well! lol.