Don't call it...

[Krusty]

Wow... so much hostility for a very practical option that's been in the FSO for as long as I can remember, and has been used for as long as I can remember, too. Calm down, perdue. Devil, if they did wrong by you, report it and a points penalty will be handed to that team if they were in the wrong.

Doesn't matter if 1 or 2 want to go free hunting without orders, teamwork, backup, or ANY thing other than a "I wanna furball" mentality. It matters more the outcome of the entire frame, of all the remaining pilots. It's not about the individual at that point. It's about the team. You gotta go with the CiC's call on this one.

[Bannor]

Wow... so much hostility for a very practical option that's been in the FSO for as long as I can remember, and has been used for as long as I can remember, too. Calm down, perdue. Devil, if they did wrong by you, report it and a points penalty will be handed to that team if they were in the wrong.

Doesn't matter if 1 or 2 want to go free hunting without orders, teamwork, backup, or ANY thing other than a "I wanna furball" mentality. It matters more the outcome of the entire frame, of all the remaining pilots. It's not about the individual at that point. It's about the team. You gotta go with the CiC's call on this one.

Krusty, I don't always agree with you, but well said. 

[viking73]

I've just been reading of interest (catching up really) the opinions in the FSO forum. There has been plenty said on both accounts on calling the frame so I don't need to add anything. But I wanted to say that while everyone's point is valid, there is a basic reasoning for not ending the frame. I've been flying AH since it came out in 2000. I was with the Marine Air Wing at that time and flew mostly Allies. I have flown both sides in FSOs. I've flown along with other squads like the Freebirds and am currently flying with KN. While it looks very sensible in a flight sim, there is something that most everyone is forgetting. FSO is about realism and replicating scenarios. The 8th AF fighters, after escorting bombers, always had the second mission of going after targets of opportunity. They destroyed everything they could. Bridges, railways, strafed airfields. This was probably one of the biggest underlying reasons why the Allies the war in Europe. If I was on the Allied side I would love the opportunity to go back up or be released to rein havoc on enemy targets. Of course in AH that also applies to the opposition. I for one could care less about points but that's how the CMs gauge who won the setup. It's about destroying what the opponent has. Practically though, flying from either side, I've mostly run out of time and HAD to land. A lot of the reason this last FSO had a number imbalance was the fact that many of the Allied numbers were bombers. The axis all were fighters and were shot down or landed. Plus we're not talking a huge amount of time left anyway. I think there may only have been 30 min left. But I don't recall. Just remember, it was the 4 left who DIDN'T want it called. This controversy is as if it was the other way around. Anyway, a lot of words have been thrown around and I just thought we should remember what FSO is for. There were a lot of families not concerned with rules or points. They just wanted their husband or son home. Enjoy and honor those who really went through all this. Especially those brave souls who didn't just get up from a computer and get another slice of pizza and beer. THEY are still over there somewhere.     

[Krusty]

FSO does't honor the allies in WW2, as you suggest. Nor does it honor axis. No more than MA gameplay honors anything. FSO isn't about realism, either. It's not about duplicating what happened in the war. It is very much an arcde inspired hollywood-ized version that is "based on a true story" so to speak. Nothing about it is realistic. If you have orders to engage ground targets after you clear your sector of sky, you will. Otherwise you're doing a disservice to your team as a whole. It's not about sticking around for every last second to score-potato you way to victory. If the plan was good and well executed, your team will win.

Sticking around for another hour after everyone else goes home is born out of self interest, not teamwork or immersion.

[perdue3]

To FSO CM Team:

This last post by Krusty is really hard NOT to respond to. That is all.

[daddog]

Responding is frequently the easy way.

NOT responding can be harder, but it often the higher road. I see CM's do it all the time.