Originally posted by Maverick:
I did armor for real. Did you? I am well aware of the capabilities of the weaponry from experiance. I used 50 cals for real. Same for 105's. I also had experiance with artillery and mortars. I am aware of what they can do as well. I am versed in the application of weapons systems by and in support of armored operations. I taught the subject for a while at Ft. Knox.
50 cals can do severe damage to WW2 armor and did do so. Did it work all the time, nope, but I never claimed it would either. If it made the tank combat incapable it was a "kill".
Anything further you have to say to me in this thread is a waste of time. I already have a real good idea of what type of expert you are. Your words are meaningless "noise".
Get a life.
(Above was Mav's reply to fishu - I've snipped some parts from the reply - no intention to produce any 'out of context' effects)
As far as I know, this thread started from the fact that some aircraft guns kill tanks too easy. Thread has since deteriorated to almost pure noise, as Mav noted.
IMHO, dispite some glorious WWII memoirs most air-to-ground tank kills were done by bombs or rockets - not guns/cannons. Some lucky shots allowed.
Also, surprisingly, there are some people outside of USA who have actually 1) done tanks 2) used a 12,7 mm and seen the effect, 3) seen the effect of various artillery/mortar/missile rounds against soft and hard targets...
So, please kill tanks with bombs and rockets only (from air, that is). It is a way to avoid these long threads...
And no, I do not think LW guns&cannons should be able to kill tanks (easily), even though I'm from Finland
Anyway, from the historical point of view the whole thread is wrong - most kills ('tanks not capable of fighting') were because of mechanical problems - sometimes up to 60 % of the tank force.
Maybe we should introduce that into AH - drive a Pzkw IV for an hour and suddenly lose a track/have an engine problem/get stuck in mud...
