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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2003, 07:14:41 PM »
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

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« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2003, 07:27:30 PM »
Beetle, during the US campaign against the Moros in Philippines, decided that it's .38 caliber revolver was inadequate.  So they decided they needed a .45 caliber semi-automatic.  Colt's pistol, designed by John Browning won the competition.  It was formally adopted by the US Army in 1911.  It was then called a Colt Government Model, 1911 or M1911.
History of the 1911.

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Here are the two pistols I shoot most.  The one on top is my Colt Government Model, Series 70 .45 ACP.  It has a slide and trigger job by J. Hoag, a Swenson extended safety and the grip safety pinned down.  The other is a S&W Model 66 in .357 Mag.  The wheel gun is the one that is in the house for home defense.  The Gov't model I've had for 16 years and is like an extension of my arm ;)


This is the gun I carry most, for obvious reasons.  It's a S&W Model 638 five-shot revolver in .38.  It's small and easy to shoot.  True, it's not the cannon my Gov't Model is, but it's much easier to carry.
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« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2003, 08:30:44 PM »
beetle... don't feel bad.  even a lot of guys who claim to know a lot about guns mix up the .45 colt and the .45 acp... In some westerns you will see the .45 colt.   This was a rimmed cartrige designed for black powder.   It shot a 255 grain slug at around 800 fps.   the 45 acp or automatidc colt pistol is a much shorter "rimless" cartrige that was allways a smokeless powder round hence... it is shorter...less bulk needed for smokeless.  the Clint Eastwood 45 colt round was used in the single action colt revolver and several other contemporary guns of the late 1800's

both cartriges are still produced but the 45 colt is now only offered in a smokeless version and is very popular for a sport called "cowboy action shooting".   I don't like the round because it is ineffiefient but it is the base for the mighty 454 casull.  

You brits had the 455 webley round which is about the equivelent of both of the others... Its stopping power was revered by british troops against the likes of the zulu.
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« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2003, 09:04:56 PM »


OK.. here's my .357, .40 and 9mm.  The 9mm was given to my by my Grandfather who removed it from a German in WWII.  It is one of the few of this type that actually had the Nazi Proofs stamped on it.  Its basically a Browning Hi-Power.

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« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2003, 09:19:25 PM »
use the force, young jedi....


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« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2003, 09:23:19 PM »
Cool ! A finnish anti-tank rifle, recognized it from CM .

What is a gun license ?

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« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2003, 09:50:01 PM »
deja..  i can tell ya where to get some ivory polymer grips for that ruger to replace those hideous two tone golf shoe ones...
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« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2003, 10:16:46 PM »
After reading this thread I decided to disassemble my Ruger P90DC .45acp and give it a good cleaning. My God! The thing was FILTHY! I might have shot it 4 or 500 times before it could have jammed. Never bring a Pea Shooter to a GUN fight, and always load Black Talons! Your target will thank you for ending it quickly.
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« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2003, 10:20:11 PM »
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Cool ! A finnish anti-tank rifle, recognized it from CM .

What is a gun license ?


A permit, you cant buy or handle guns here unless you have it.
They question a lot of your acquaintances and search your record.

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« Reply #114 on: April 07, 2003, 10:28:49 PM »
I've had firearms almost all of my life. Never had a permit for them though .

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« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2003, 10:59:00 PM »
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deja..  i can tell ya where to get some ivory polymer grips for that ruger to replace those hideous two tone golf shoe ones...
lazs
Nah... no need to be labled as pimp daddy d.

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« Reply #116 on: April 08, 2003, 05:35:21 AM »
Lazs - thank you for your forbearance!  

About single action and double action. I'll reread that long email you sent me, but I can't do it just now as it's on my other system.

Reading this, I've been led to understand that "single action" is like a .357 Magnum revolver - the only gun I've ever "played" with. There was only one thing to do: Pull the trigger. As the trigger was pulled, the hammer would come back and the chamber would revolve to bring the next round into alignment with the barrel. Then the hammer would fall. The only variation would be to manually cock the hammer which would reduce the load on the trigger (and revolve the chamber, bringing the next round into position?) So what's double action? Is that a gun which needs to be primed manually for firing after each shot, hence two actions?  Just wondering, because in one of those Clint Eastwood dollars films, he shoots about four of Ramone's men, and they didn't even have time to blink. He could not have done that if having to cock the weapon each time.

That leads on to something else. In some cowboy westerns, I have seen a technique which they referred to as "fanning". All rounds were discharged by the gunman knocking the hammer back with his other hand, presumably while keeping the trigger squeezed. Would this have been a technique to enable rapid fire, overcoming the limitation of having to manually prime the gun for each shot? Would this be necessary with single action weapons? Is this possible only with revolvers? After reading Lazs's explanation about the mechanics of a semi-auto, fanning would not seem to be applicable to that type of gun.

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« Reply #117 on: April 08, 2003, 07:42:37 AM »
You have it backwards.  Double action:  noodles the hammer and releases it.  Single action:  Just releases the hammer.

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« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2003, 08:41:59 AM »
Think about the old cowboy guns they had to cock then with there thumb for each shot, they would not cock the hammer with the trigger only release, hence single action (of the trigger)

Double action means the trigger will cock the hammer (also turn the cylinder) and release the trigger hence double action i.e. more modern guns.

Auto or automatic means the gun will auto load and cock the hammer with each firing soy you only have to bull the trigger.

Now we have single and double action autos, the colt 1911 is a type of single action auto. This type needs to be carried with the hammer cocked and locked (with the safety) as it has three safeties this is ok and it is NOT safe to carry with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. The safeties are the thumb, the grip, and the slide battery trigger interconnect.

The double action auto IS safe to carry with the chamber loaded and the hammer down, the first pull of the trigger is longer and a bit stiffer as this is what noodles the weapon for the first time. After the first shot the weapon will load and cock itself so subsequent shots will now be single action as the trigger only has to release the hammer each time until the mag. is empty.

Hope this helps

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« Reply #119 on: April 08, 2003, 08:50:26 AM »
yep... plus... there is the glock system and some of the double action only self loaders.   gunmakers are an imaginative group.   lotsa times they create complex solutions for nonexistent problems... like for instance the british developed a auto cocking revolver... the frame was split so that the top barrel and cylinder portion slid back on the lower grip and trigger group portion on recoil... the cylinder was groved in such a way that it revolved as it went back... this put a fresh round under the hammer which had also been cocked by the recoil.
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