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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2003, 11:33:18 AM »
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Hey don't argue with me....

These are not my opinions...

I'm just passing along what the conservative "Fair and balanced" people at fox news are saying iare the "reasons" for this upsurge in the GDP...

go argue with the idiots in your silly conservative movement


No no, what I'm saying is, that Fox statement is correct. Its you who's incorrect for belittling it.

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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2003, 11:36:13 AM »
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No no, what I'm saying is, that Fox statement is correct. Its you who's incorrect for belittling it.


Go argue with Sabre because he disagrees with Fox News...
I don't care one way or the other....
I'm not an economist... I have no idea why it goes up and down.

I only parrot what my liberal/conservative silicon chip tells me to say... :lol

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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2003, 12:11:26 PM »
I blame Clinton.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2003, 01:13:29 PM »
lol was a post just like this with the same people parroting the same crap. you do the numbers and its a crock.


do you even read the **** you think is good news lol.

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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2003, 01:20:18 PM »
Rude: I'm just curious tho....of the proffessional economist out there, what is your opinion of those that differ with your opinion?

 People generally become politicians in order to direct the society - and primarily the economy. For that they need justification and advice of economists. They also get donations for interfering with the economy one way or another. They have influence and trade it to special interest groups. Government hires most economists and education establishments mostly turns out economists that a governments would hire - and the surplus stays to teach in the same academia.

 Major media also uses economists, but even if that media may be opposed to the current government, it is sympathitic to the idea that the government should control the economy. They only suggest different direction or details.

 So if you have a school of economics like the austrian school or the supply-siders or even monetarists who say that the free market is the optimal arrangement and that any government intervention only harms the economy and that politicians should not interfere with economy (and lose influence) and do not need to hire economists to guide them - which economists would be more prevalent?

 It's just like astrology vs. astronomy. An astronomer claiming that the planets were just pieces of rock flying around in circles would get little publicity while astrologers with their very developed "science" were popular and used by rich and powerfull in great numbers - and often even believing in what they said.
 You had thousadn astrologers pre one real astronomer, lot of crap published per every scientific treatise.

 That's what I think of the "mainstream" economists - they are fraud just like astrologers, with as elaborated meaningless formulas and influence over ignorant.
 There are plenty of real economists around - with good track records of prediction - but you would have to read books or on-line publications, not newspapers to know what they say.

 miko
« Last Edit: October 30, 2003, 01:31:01 PM by miko2d »

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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2003, 01:21:21 PM »
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Toad! Nibbles!


Clearly, you are a legend in your own mind.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2003, 01:22:16 PM »
Sure enough, somebody showed up to 'splain to you that it's really bad, bad news.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2003, 01:29:23 PM »
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Clearly, you are a legend in your own mind.


Very good your repetoire of school yard retorts is expanding. What else did you learn in school today? :lol :lol

You keep nibbling Mr. Phish!!!

You could just go away... that's what an adult would do. :lol

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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2003, 01:49:11 PM »
"There is no more persistant and influential faith in the world today than faith in government spending.  Everywhere government spending is presented as the panacea for our economic ills...Everything we get, outside of free gifts of nature, must in some way be paid for."

-Henry Hazlitt, "Economics in One Lesson"


So the US government goes into debt to give the public cash.  The US public spends that money.  And some how the economy is improves?  Any increased production is based of this debt, which will have to be paid back.  So the economy appears to have improved, but what if you take the debt into account as well?

I go and borrow $10,000 and buy a car.  I show everyone the car and say, "Ha ha, my net wealth has increased by $10,000.  See how good my economy is doing".  But of course my networth hasn't increased.  What's more I have to finance that debt and my car is depricating.  So if I don't use that car to generate enough wealth to make up for the payments on the car, my net wealth has gone down.
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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2003, 01:57:00 PM »
Hey where's that swedish guy who's always on here hoping the US economy will tank?

He's pretty quiet on this subject.

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2003, 02:04:34 PM »
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[BI go and borrow $10,000 and buy a car.  I show everyone the car and say, "Ha ha, my net wealth has increased by $10,000.  See how good my economy is doing".  But of course my networth hasn't increased.  What's more I have to finance that debt and my car is depricating.  So if I don't use that car to generate enough wealth to make up for the payments on the car, my net wealth has gone down. [/B]


Balancing the budget, cuting government spending, reducing governement, and balancing the federal budget was working well while the previous administration was in office and as a result the US economy enjoyed the largest economic boom in US history.... [or were the Republicans responsible for that boon?]

Now the current administration is in, wiped out the surplus, increasing government spending, creating bigger governement (Dept of Homeland Security), more beaurocracy and is now spending the country into defecit just like Mr Reagan and Bush Sr. did in the 80's.

It's easy to "pseudo" increase the American standard of living by charging it on credit.... that is until the creditors show up to collect - hardly responsible behavior - typical Republicans.

Why doesn't this country prosper during a Republican administration?

Is it the Democrat's fault.. blame those who aren't even in power!
Republicans control all the branches of the government: Legislature, Executive, and Judicial, and most of the govenors and the state legislatures.

Rape, pillage and burn - shock and awe! It's the republican way.

Now the US treasure is empty and filled with debt notes.

They got want they wanted they are in control... let's see what the republicans can do....

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« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2003, 02:07:37 PM »
I heard that the last time we had these numbers in a qt. report it was like 20 years ago.


Lets see that was about 2 years into the Reagen tax cuts, hmmmm. and we are what, about 2 years into the first Bush tax cuts? hmmmmm


must be all Klintons doing anyway


carry on

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« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2003, 02:08:56 PM »
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I heard that the last time we had these numbers in a qt. report it was like 20 years ago.


Lets see that was about 2 years into the Reagen tax cuts, hmmmm. and we are what, about 2 years into the first Bush tax cuts? hmmmmm


must be all Klintons doing anyway


carry on


According to the article, it was the best quarter since 1984.

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« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2003, 02:10:48 PM »
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Balancing the budget, cuting government spending, reducing governement, and balancing the federal budget was working well while the previous administration was in office and as a result the US economy enjoyed the largest economic boom in US history.... [or were the Republicans responsible for that boon?]


I sure it was helpfull, but I think miko was right on the main contributing factor.  Soviet block and China deside they want to be capitialist.  They need stable currency to stablise their economies.  US prints of a bunch of pieces of paper with dead presidents on them.  US gives these pieces of paper to Soviet block and China.  Soviet block and China give a bunch of actual resources back in exchange, US standard of living increases.

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« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2003, 02:11:37 PM »
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According to the article, it was the best quarter since 1984.


And what followed the mid 80's? You better hope history does not repeat itself.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)