Author Topic: Gay Bishop Consecrated (Read 7881 times)

type_char · « **Reply #165 on:** November 04, 2003, 06:24:19 PM »

>for starters the bible is a joke that has been rewritten and
>poorly translated by 100's of people of the years.

The bible is about power.

Tumor · « **Reply #166 on:** November 04, 2003, 07:02:17 PM »

There is a good reason to stand behind the Bible... no really

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

I love that book!

crabofix · « **Reply #167 on:** November 04, 2003, 07:22:21 PM »

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Originally posted by hblair
For starters...
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Yes, this is what its says.

But you can not pull it out from the whole text. Paulus is here discribing the past. He also mentions a couple of other things that makes us deserve "death", equal to theese peoples acts,
"heartless, loveless, talk back to their parents, warmongers, wicked, egoistic"
This is mentioned in the same breath.

He is talking about why Jesus had to come to the world. He is explaining how the profecy´s is fullfilled, to the Jew and to the greek.
The reference is only to what accured in the past.

In the next chapter he says, that you can not judge others, because if you do, you judge yourself. You are not better then the ones you judge. He also askes if you dont belive in Gods natur of never ending goodness and patiance.

mrblack · « **Reply #168 on:** November 05, 2003, 01:29:05 AM »

Look my view is this.
Judging a gay person is just as bad as being gay.
So we are all sinners .
And in the end it really is between that person and GOD.
None of my buisness.
Nobody here will believe me but i do have Gay friends.
they know how I feel.
The respect my hetrosexuality and I respect there homosexuality.
Don't mean I aprove but then again it aint up to me to aprove of anyone now is it!!

F4i · « **Reply #169 on:** November 05, 2003, 01:51:15 AM »

I first took interested in this thread because I thought the title read, "Gay Bishop Castrated."

Castrated...consecrated...sam e difference.

1) Priests are a bunch of child molesters.
2) Churches are a mechanism for control.
3) God didn't make either one that way; they became what they are because man is blindly ignorant.

TBolt

hblair · « **Reply #170 on:** November 05, 2003, 08:18:14 AM »

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Originally posted by crabofix
Yes, this is what its says.

But you can not pull it out from the whole text. Paulus is here discribing the past. He also mentions a couple of other things that makes us deserve "death", equal to theese peoples acts,
"heartless, loveless, talk back to their parents, warmongers, wicked, egoistic"
This is mentioned in the same breath.

He's talking about "all ungodliness and unrighteousness". Sexual immorality being among these. Sure, according to the bible there are more sins. I obviously don't dispute that.

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Originally posted by crabofix
He is talking about why Jesus had to come to the world. He is explaining how the profecy´s is fullfilled, to the Jew and to the greek. The reference is only to what accured in the past.
In the next chapter he says, that you can not judge others, because if you do, you judge yourself. You are not better then the ones you judge. He also askes if you dont belive in Gods natur of never ending goodness and patiance.

Paul is obviously speaking of those who hold themselves above their brethren, and scornfully judge them. Christ also dealt with this. These passages aren't an "end all to showing your brother where he has erred in the faith". All you have to do is read some of pauls letters. How many times did he correct people who erred? Using the old "Gods love and goodness makes it ok to do whatever" arguement is just basic bible ignorance.

Galatians 5 19-25 deals with sexual immorality in the PRESENT tense. It's not just an old testament thing.

BTW, whats your opinion on matthew 5:29-30?

Again, this is just what the bible says, not my opinion. The whole point of this is to show how ridiculous it is to have a "gay priest". The two DO NOT go together according to the bible.

Kieran · « **Reply #171 on:** November 05, 2003, 08:30:30 AM »

I would only add to that I do allow the Bible to help me form opinions. I don't see a problem with that.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #172 on:** November 05, 2003, 09:33:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
for starters the bible is a joke that has been rewritten and poorly translated by 100's of people of the years.

Actually the dead sea scrolls which were found in 1947 are proof that the old testiment, at least, has been reliably translated and transcribed for thousands of years.

That's not to say that their interpretation and the NT hare totaly misconstrued.

narsus · « **Reply #173 on:** November 05, 2003, 09:39:46 AM »

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Whats that part about MALE servant?

I've always read the covets as you shouldnt envy your neigbor, if your neighbor gets a maid you shouldnt feel you need to get one too. Or a pool, a type of car...whatever, back in those days people had servants and if you had an ox or donkey you were doing fairly well. You shouldn't want what your neighbor has, envy isn't healthy.

That's my take.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #174 on:** November 05, 2003, 09:44:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
I would try to argue with you... but ...

What you are saying is you are incapable of arguing your point of you because it is you who needs the pity.

And your lack of sensativity towards mentally ill people by referring to sending them to a "Nut house" is characteristic of the typical hate that comes from Christians.

If they don't match your color, race, religion, and creed... out cast them...

That's Christian love for you.

Kieran · « **Reply #175 on:** November 05, 2003, 10:11:11 AM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
What you are saying is you are incapable of arguing your point of you because it is you who needs the pity.

And your lack of sensativity towards mentally ill people by referring to sending them to a "Nut house" is characteristic of the typical hate that comes from Christians.

If they don't match your color, race, religion, and creed... out cast them...

That's Christian love for you.

Newsflash: Mighty isn't a Christian. How do I know? He's my brother.

Care to rephrase your comments?

As to the rest of your content, that's just ignorance.

midnight Target · « **Reply #176 on:** November 05, 2003, 10:45:54 AM »

You know Kieran is completely correct. He is basing his opinion on his Christian beliefs and has every right to hold them.

Where this inevitably leads then is to another example of the necessity for separation of church and state. Christians are expected to believe that homosexuals are an "abomination". This should have no bearing on the rights and priviledges they hold in our society.

(hows that for a mini hijack?)

crabofix · « **Reply #177 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:03:45 AM »

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Originally posted by hblair

Using the old "Gods love and goodness makes it ok to do whatever" arguement is just basic bible ignorance.

Galatians 5 19-25 deals with sexual immorality in the PRESENT tense. It's not just an old testament thing.

BTW, whats your opinion on matthew 5:29-30?

It is not ignorance to belive In the Love Of God and his never ending goodness, it is not OK to do whatever either. But theres no messure in how great or small a sin is.

So the word in Gal 5:19-25 deals "only" with sexual immortality?
Then I sugest that you read it again. If it says the same thing the second time: Go and buy a Bible.

My opinion on Matt 5:29-30? I don´t know if I can have an "opinion". Are you making a poll to get this passage taken away from the Bible?

People suffer everyday, because people "interpurate" the Word and they judge others. Theres people saying that they are choosen by God to kill others. People who say that they are rich, because God blessed them.

It´s not really my problem, cause it is not what I belive.

hblair · « **Reply #178 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:14:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
for starters the bible is a joke that has been rewritten and poorly translated by 100's of people of the years. Its just a collection of fairy tales to help primitive minds deal with the world around them. If you need it to help you get through life, great whatever. Just dont try and justify killing people with it.

For starters you're the joke. Not just because of the above post but because you portray yourself as a retard in just about every religious thread. You need to establish a baseline of having a little sense, THEN on occasion troll a bit. The above post is mostly percieved as just some ignorant kids opinion, which after all, it may be anyway.

Kieran · « **Reply #179 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:19:07 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You know Kieran is completely correct. He is basing his opinion on his Christian beliefs and has every right to hold them.

Where this inevitably leads then is to another example of the necessity for separation of church and state. Christians are expected to believe that homosexuals are an "abomination". This should have no bearing on the rights and priviledges they hold in our society.

(hows that for a mini hijack?)

I have absolutely no problem with that at all, and that is the way it is supposed to be. I am not denying, nor am I attempting to deny, the rights of homosexuals in society. I don't agree with them, but I don't agree with most liberals, either.