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Offline DmdNexus

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« Reply #180 on: November 05, 2003, 02:21:07 PM »
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For starters you're the joke. Not just because of the above post but because you portray yourself as a retard in just about every religious thread. You need to establish a baseline of having a little sense, THEN on occasion troll a bit. The above post is mostly percieved as just some ignorant kids opinion, which after all, it may be anyway.


:rofl

HBlair, would you consider you self open minded?

What is ignorant is that people still believe in the Judeo-Christian bunk... Proverbs is a lovely book talking about smearing honey on genitals... and eating dates to cure ailments... words inspired by God? Or words based upon ignorant tribal mysticism.

Oh wait... ignore that part of the bible...
and ignore the part of the bible about putting people to death when they talk a bad about their parents...

"Wait you all aren't reading it right... you're all ignorant and retarded".

:rofl :rofl

Sure we are... and the earth is the center of the universe, and gavity doesn't exist... and the world is flat..

I'm glad so many "smart" people like Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin didn't believe in the religion of the day... which was based upon what? oh that's right Christianity and that retarded book the bible.

The same religion today that doesn't want stem cell research, sex education in school, and wants women to be not to be in control of their bodies.

The same book that talks about incest, polygamy, adultry, and child molestation as being... ok!

And no one has authority to talk about except people who are believers... even the believers can't agree as to what it says... that's because it's stupid! :lol

And they are the ones who are too retarded to see that! :rofl

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« Reply #181 on: November 05, 2003, 02:25:16 PM »
Now remind me, Nexus, why your opinion on gays as bishops is relevant to a Christian? ;)

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« Reply #182 on: November 05, 2003, 02:46:15 PM »
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Now remind me, Nexus, why your opinion on gays as bishops is relevant to a Christian? ;)


It's not! :lol
I couldn't care less... what the Christians think about Bishops, gays or milky ways bars.

I did spend 15 years espousing Christianity my self... and I did study the bible at one time... thankfully, I've forgotten most of that crapola.

Ok so this Bishop guy is gay... is he planning on continuing his Gayness? Like frequenting gay bars.... is that against the bible?

What if I have friends that are Gay... can I associate with them as a Christian? Or I should shun them because they are sinners?

what really confuses me.. is that only God can judge people... and yet Christens are constantly judging every one else and them selves... and passing gas... I mean judgement. :rofl

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« Reply #183 on: November 05, 2003, 03:14:56 PM »
did you guys know most people born blind are gay? why is that?
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« Reply #184 on: November 05, 2003, 03:22:58 PM »
It's too bad in 15 years you didn't learn something.

We are instructed to go out and witness- to whom? Certainly not the believers, they already believe.

That's right, to the unbelievers. We witness to those in sin who don't know they're in sin, or those that are and do know. This doesn't mean we don't sin, because we do. We aren't perfect either, and anyone who tells you he or she is isn't a Christian.

So the numerous assertions that gays are hated and shunned by Christians is not true. It goes against Christian teaching. Being against the action is not being against the person- people smart enough to understand politics can certainly understand that concept.

Finally, Christians don't "pass judgement", they tell you what the Bible says. God already stated how He feels about the subject, so my judgement if it did occur would be meaningless.

Feel free to stick in words like "hate" as you wish, but it does tell me you didn't pick up much in 15 years worth of "study".

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« Reply #185 on: November 05, 2003, 03:33:08 PM »
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It is not ignorance to belive In the Love Of God and his never ending goodness, it is not OK to do whatever either. But theres no messure in how great or small a sin is.


Good points.


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So the word in Gal 5:19-25 deals "only" with sexual immortality?
Then I sugest that you read it again. If it says the same thing the second time: Go and buy a Bible.


uhhh, I mentioned sexual immorality because thats the topic being discussed. Where did I say that was all that scripture dealt with?

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My opinion on Matt 5:29-30? I donīt know if I can have an "opinion". Are you making a poll to get this passage taken away from the Bible?


Who said anything about taking verses from the bible? I was just seeing what you thought Christ was saying there. That's all.

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« Reply #186 on: November 05, 2003, 04:05:01 PM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl Teee Heee!!! nexus put me in my place!!:rofl :rofl why didn't i think of that!!:D :rofl :aok :D





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« Reply #187 on: November 05, 2003, 04:13:44 PM »
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It's too bad in 15 years you didn't learn something.


You mean it's too bad I don't believe in your point of view.
It's too bad you haven't realized that the bible you believe in is filled with tribal mysticism.... wrought with contradictions and idiotic stupid superstitions... as pointed out by my self and others in this thready and holding up for your consideration actual quotes from this "godly" "infallible" work .... yet these quotes are dismissed.... "you read it out of context"... "you're ignorant", "you don't understand"...

Yet... you can't explain... and yet "an abomination" in the eyes of god means what it says.... and all these other hateful words don't?

Where in the bible does it talk about lesbians?
And adultry... many of the spiritual leaders.. Abraham... practice polygamy... adultry... incest... and this were all OK with God.

Killing the children of enemies of the Jews... was also OK with God - what a contradiction when compared with loving, kind, peaceful, forgiving, turn-the-other-cheek tone of the NT.

What's wrong with God? PMS or bi-polar disorder?

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We are instructed to go out and witness- to whom? Certainly not the believers, they already believe.

You sound like a Mormon.

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So the numerous assertions that gays are hated and shunned by Christians is not true.


Not true? You forget the boycott of Disneyland by the Southern Baptists.

Here's a link for you... it's from Christian News...so it doesn't have that libral gay limp-wrist slant.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/CUL19990708d.html

You forget the many laws that are anti-Gay - sodomy laws.
You forget they have for many years been persecuted by loss of job..
And why for so long they've had to live in the "closet".
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Finally, Christians don't "pass judgement",


Hell if they don't... I guess killing doctor's who perform abortion... is.. what... a form of Christian education? Write some scription on a bullet... and then pass it through their brain.

Christian churches are notorious breeding grounds for bigots, especially against interracial marriages.

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« Reply #188 on: November 05, 2003, 04:50:52 PM »
You're on the attack nexus. You really oughta calm down and back off a bit. Wipe the foam off your mouth man. Your style of trying to put words in others mouths and stereotyping is unbecoming of you.

 I mean look at the big picture here. This threads about whether or not it is ok to have gay bishops. It has been pointed out by some here that christianity according to the bible and homosexuality don't go together.

Now you come along to the rescue the down trodden homosexuals. What do you do to help them? Insult the christians of course! :lol You attempt to humiliate them because they don't just conform to your idea of social acceptance. Look at this with an objective mind. You are definetly the bigot here. You really should be more tolerant of other peoples viewpoints.

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« Reply #189 on: November 05, 2003, 05:30:13 PM »
Moreover, you haven't proven "hate".

If I find a store that engages in behavior I dislike, I don't hate the owner. I just don't go to the store.

If there are rules passed I don't agree with, I will work to undo them.

It doesn't seem possible for you to see this separation, which can only leave me to conclude you really don't understand Christianity. How long you claimed to have studied is irrelevant.

Maybe you can provide me with a definition of hate as you see it? For me, not giving approval for certain behaviors does not equate hate. Not going to Disney because I choose not to expose my kids to homosexuals is not hate. FWIW, I did show up on gay day at Disney, quite by accident because when my wife asked the ticket agent if anything special was going on that weekend they said "no". Not a place I would have taken my family by choice on that particular day, and I felt as though Disney lied to my wife. We didn't picket. We just won't give Disney any more of our money.

Oh, your scathing rebuttal (You sound like a Mormon)... what's that supposed to mean? Don't tackle the content, avoid it by all means. If your earlier position is that Christians hate and shun homosexuals, how do you reconcile the Christian position of seeking out sinners?

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« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2003, 05:52:11 PM »
If I say anything offensive here, let me know, as I don't mean to be.  I thought about the fact that I have these conversations with my best friend all the time and never manage to work up any of the spite that gets thrown around from the keyboard.  He's a mormon, btw :).  Oh, and whether it was relevant or not, I'm sure Nexus was referring to the Mormon practice of bringing religion to the masses by going door to door.

Here's where I think some of the confusion lies with non-Christians...with me anyway.  First of all, I don't feel there's anything wrong with someone being a homosexual and I don't feel they woke up one morning and decided they liked man meat instead of chicks.  As such, I think asking a homosexual to stop being homosexual is rediculous.  How would you feel about switching from women to men...or to just stop having sex with your wife?  Didn't think so.  With the thought in mind that a homosexual man or woman would feel the same way you do in the opposite direction, a homosexual probably wouldn't feel remorseful.  As such, you believe they are going to hell.  They could be a saint in every other aspect of their life, but still you think they're going to hell.  And that's where it hits that maybe you've got other than positive feelings for this type of person.

Right or wrong, whatever, I'm just trying to clue you in to exactly what brings me to thought that you might hold hate for homosexuals.  It also brings up confusion as to how you could worship a god who is so spiteful as to sentence someone to eternal damnation for an act that really doesn't harm anyone and is practiced between two consenting human beings.

I believe you when you say you don't hate them, though.
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« Reply #191 on: November 05, 2003, 06:05:43 PM »
And adultery... many of the spiritual leaders.. Abraham... practice polygamy... adultry... incest... and this were all OK with God.


Abraham's *adultery* was with his wife Sarah's handmaiden. In those days it was very important to have an heir to leave your belongings to. I do believe Sarah was his only wife which would mean he was not a polygamist. As far as Abraham and incest...which of his family (besides his wife Sarah) does the Bible say he had sexual relations with?

Also, God didnt say incest and adultery were wrong until long after Abraham's time. Those *laws* are set down in the book of Leviticus.

As far as polygamy goes, it is still acceptable in some cultures today.


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Hell if they don't... I guess killing doctor's who perform abortion... is.. what... a form of Christian education? Write some scription on a bullet... and then pass it through their brain.


That was a crime performed by some misguided person. I don't know of anyone who would condone that kind of action. But to lay the blame for the actions of an individual on an entire group is rediculous.

*edit* Just found Abraham's 2nd wife in Genesis chapter 25. However he took his 2nd wife (Keturah) after his first wife Sarah had died.
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« Reply #192 on: November 05, 2003, 07:04:03 PM »
That's a fair set of statements, SOB.

People don't seem to have a problem with the thought "God-given talents". What they often fail to remember is God didn't make people perfect- suggesting we all have weaknesses. Who gave us the weakness? God? If so, why? I could say it is in keeping with the message we cannot be saved without Grace, and that we are given the challenges we personally need to show us we need Him. He promises us we will be tested, but we will never be given more than we can bear- so long as we depend on Him.

So, is it possible God made homosexuals? Not likely, more like He allows it to happen. But, for the sake of the argument let's say He does. Does it matter in the long haul? I say this because IF He makes homosexuals, then it is fair to say He makes murderers, thieves, adulterers, pedophiles, and all the other sinners out there the way they are. EVEN IF this is true (and believe me, this is a stretch) God tells you what you have to do- turn away from sin and follow Him. You don't have to be perfect, in fact you can't be perfect, but you have to try.

Getting on to hate... God does not hate the person, God hates the sin. He talks to his people and talks of the people He detests, but He is talking of their lifestyle. God says that He loves every one of us, and every one of us is important to Him, but it is our choice to do what is right and what He tells us. We are responsible for those choices, and He will punish us for rejecting Him and His word. God also knows when people reach the point of no return- he is after all God- and will destroy the people in punishment and as an example to the remaining. Harsh? Yes. But it isn't the body God is interested in, it's the soul, which is eternal.

Does He condemn some sinners to hell? Of course. What that hell is of course is open to debate. Is it the lake of fire literally, or was that a way to describe the pain of total separation from God? I dunno. One school of thought suggests that God Himself doesn't condemn people so much as they condemn themselves by choosing to be apart from Him. Whatever form hell takes, in that scenario the people have done it to themselves.

As far as judging other is concerned, that's not my job. I can relate what the Bible says and my understanding of it, that's about it. As for worshipping a God that does what my God does, that isn't a "choice"; either I believe it or I don't. Well, I suppose that's not true, exactly... I could believe it and reject it nonetheless. Satan certainly believes in God.

Heaven... who gets in, who doesn't? I can't even comfortably say my salvation is assured. My religion says it is, but I dunno... I know I sin every day, and I know I could work harder for Him. The Bible speaks of "crowns" and such in heaven, suggesting a heirarchy. I often imagine myself shining boots for all eternity, while people like Billy Graham and Mother Theresa sit by the pool in the everlasting twilight of the Garden of Eden, sipping cocktails. What I guess I'm saying is I have no way of knowing for sure who gets in and who doesn't. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, but that doesn't mean all homosexuals are doomed to hell. Only God gets to make that call.
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« Reply #193 on: November 05, 2003, 09:06:23 PM »
Amazing how many replies to a thread just over a gay Bishop.

Intriguing, since the church is full of gay Bishops in the first place. Unfortunetly it seems that stating the fact that your gay is the cause of so much controversy.



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« Reply #194 on: November 05, 2003, 09:08:21 PM »
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which of his family (besides his wife Sarah) does the Bible say he had sexual relations with?


I think he mixed up Abraham and his relative, Lot, who was tricked into  sex with his daugthers, by his daughters.