Author Topic: Ppfa (Read 4065 times)

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:22:54 PM »

Looks pretty dangerous to the mother.

-tronski- · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:27:26 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Looks pretty dangerous to the mother.

I think thats why they want to prevent this law to come into effect, theres no safe guard for the health of the mother when this proccedure would be neccesary previously.

Tronsky

Eagler · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:54:13 PM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
I think thats why they want to prevent this law to come into effect, theres no safe guard for the health of the mother when this proccedure would be neccesary previously.

Tronsky

bs
there IS a "mothers health first" clause

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:56:18 PM »

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP)- A federal judge in Nebraska blocked implementation of a federal ban on certain late-term abortions Wednesday, less than an hour after President Bush signed the ban into law.

U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf issued a temporary restraining order against the law after a three-hour hearing on a lawsuit in Nebraska brought by abortion-rights supporters.

He said his order would apply only to the four doctors who filed the lawsuit, but the ruling could extend beyond Nebraska because the physicians are licensed to practice in Alabama, Georgia, Iowa, New York, South Carolina and Virginia.

vorticon · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:58:37 PM »

if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:01:49 PM »

Eagler
I am pro choice but I like the idea of stopping late term stuff, with the exception of when the mother is in danger.

I think a specific date needs to be set, like at 3 months it is life and abortion becomes murder unless the mother is in danger.

Do you have a link to the text of the bill the pres signed?

midnight Target · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:06:32 PM »

Put some work into the uses of this procedure people! This is nothing more than a neato political tool for Bush to garner the support of the far right wing ... like Eagler.

PPA is so rare as to be almost nonexistant in terms of types of abortions, and it is NEVER used as simple birth control. If you need to set up these straw men to make a point then maybe your point isn't warranted. Think about it!

Eagler · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:08:26 PM »

`CHAPTER 74--PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS

`Sec.

`1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited.

`Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.

bill text

and the pdf

Eagler · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:10:41 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Put some work into the uses of this procedure people! This is nothing more than a neato political tool for Bush to garner the support of the far right wing ... like Eagler.

PPA is so rare as to be almost nonexistant in terms of types of abortions, and it is NEVER used as simple birth control. If you need to set up these straw men to make a point then maybe your point isn't warranted. Think about it!

then why all the wailing and legal action?

yes - only 1% of the baby murders are committed in this gruesome fashion - again - why the big deal then from the left/libs?

gofaster · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:10:42 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it

Remember, condoms are only effective 97% of the time.

miko2d · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:11:24 PM »

It is unconstitutional in any case. States may have rights to regulate abortions, not the federal government.

miko

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:17:21 PM »

Thanks for the link Eagler.

Hey I cant find in the text, at what point int he pregnacy does a partial birth abortion need to be done?

Kevin14 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:19:57 PM »

Abortions are murder. They should not be allowed under any circumstances except if the mother is in danger. If you really don't want to have a baby, maybe use protection or give it up for adoption after birth.

boxboy28 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:22:19 PM »

in before lock:aok