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Offline SOB

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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2003, 05:03:44 PM »
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I understand.  And that brings me to my original point, lack of personal responsibility...if you're taught personal responsibility at a high level during the nurturing process, you never think it applies to you.

Actually I thought it brought us back to my point.  That personal responsibility has nothing to do with this unless you (the person electing to have the abortion) feel abortion is wrong.

You might feel it's the wrong thing to do...and I might be inclined to agree with you...but that doesn't invalidate the opinion of people who think it's OK.  It's hard to feel a sense of personal responsibility if you don't subscribe to the belief that it's a baby after the sperm smacks into the egg.

BTW...this off-shoot isn't about D&X, MT, it's about abortion in general.  It was a reply to the child's (vorticon) statement.
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2003, 05:05:18 PM »
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3000 to 4000 seem to be the most accurate numbers.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm


then why the big deal if they are now performed under the circumstances you stated?

all of those fall into the "acceptable" conditions under the new law

why?
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2003, 05:07:34 PM »
Exactly... why the big deal? Dems and libs aren't the ones trying to make a new law here. I think the "WHY" falls on your shoulders.
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2003, 05:09:21 PM »
You're not that naive, Eagler.  Any law against abortion is a good step forward for anyone interested in seeing all abortion outlawed, and it's certainly a good political tool to garner support from pro-lifers.  After reading more into the subject though (thanks for the link, MT), I don't see any problems with this law.  Provided the doctors actually have a say about the needs of their patient in relation to the health risk.  The fact that some doctors would do the procedure as an elective surgery and ignore the guidelines of their state medical boards is enough to convince me the law has some merit.
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2003, 05:15:25 PM »
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PPA's have NOTHING to do with choice or personal responsibility. They are done only in rare circumstances. Please see the link I provided. It is not a one sided site.
 


The conversation went out of topic, the "personal responsibility" I was speaking of pertained to early in the pregnancy...just to be clear.

Its my opinion that most abortions are done because of the "Center of the Universe" syndrome..it interferes with someones lifestyle, therefore, they must kill to maintain their lifestyle.  Too many preventive things out there that prevent pregnancy to make any excuses...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2003, 05:18:17 PM by Ripsnort »
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2003, 05:29:58 PM »
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Abortions are murder.  They should not be allowed under any circumstances except if the mother is in danger.  If you really don't want to have a baby, maybe use protection or give it up for adoption after birth.

not pointed at you directly kevin--just wanted a basis for my post m8......

Simple solution-put your money where your mouth is-

Get on the list of anti-abortionists
When your turn in line comes, take the mother, put her up, pay all the bills, including hospital and birthing costs, take child as your own. Repeat as necessary...... No more abortion problems..

Not your problem and you shouldnt pay for it but the mother should still not have an abortion?
Shut the F-up then..its not your problem...
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2003, 05:48:05 PM »
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there IS a "mothers health first" clause


Just parroting what the news report explained why this had been vetoed twice last time it came up for signature...

Me...personally, no govt. should legislate a women's choice, but then even this procedure I would find it hard to believe to be common enough to warrant making unlawful outside other medical procedures.

 Tronsky
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2003, 06:03:06 PM »
This is just the goverment tried to push the rightwing's side of morality on the rest of the country.
Just like the left does with guns.
Both sides think they have the "moral" right to tell every one else what they should do.


This is just there way of baby steps.  thay cant push pass a low to compleatly outlay abortion so they will try in small steps
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2003, 06:17:19 PM »
My God what have we become:(


The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.


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The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2003, 06:23:44 PM »
HOLLY CRAP

Trell
 If you are a liberal and or a democrat you are not allowed to use sliperly slop arguments!!!

Cause if you do the the NRA is right and OMG you can't have that!!
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2003, 06:34:26 PM »
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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it


I don't look at a child as a mistake!!
These silly b itches should give the child up for adoption.
There are pleanty of couples waiting and waiting for a child to adopt.

And the fathers of these children I believe should have some rights and responsabilities as well.

I am not for abortion of any kind exept to save mothers life.
And I damn sure aint for this barbaric butchery
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2003, 06:34:36 PM »
Gerbils eat their young, I think they have something there because there isn't anyone on this planet complaining about that.
-SW
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2003, 06:35:13 PM »
If Pro Choice means choosing to use birth control then yes...I am Pro Choice ;)


IMO all legalized abortion does is let people act irresponsibly and get away with it. We all know that sex is how we reproduce and that by having sex w/o using some form of birth control we run the risk of the female becoming pregnant. If you dont want children, use birth control.

If abortions weren't legal all those babies could go to couples who are unable to produce their own offspring. Some people wait years just to adopt one infant. Some people never get to adopt an infant.
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2003, 06:38:43 PM »
I see you didn't want to leave your reply up very long MrBlack, did you see something it that reminded you of yourself?
I thought so.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2003, 06:40:11 PM »
Good point, Elfie.  UP WITH COATHANGARS!!!  DOWN WITH DOCTORS!!!
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