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Offline Sarge1

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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2003, 12:52:31 PM »
Personally i think this stuff isnt proper to talk about in a game. this is a game board and for fake war where no one dies. or gets hurt.

 But i dont like posts that flame anything about the US from anyone , instead they should be thankful that they have the freedom of opinion and the right to do as they please.

Or any one that questions wether or not i served. I can Prove i did can you prove i didnt .

So lets talk games where all is not real and the worse that can happen is your tiger or plane gets pinged once and blows up..  you know the real tragic stuff most will see in their life, till they get out of school..

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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2003, 12:56:23 PM »
I'm sure of one thing: We can't blame Jessica Lynch for this fiasco... (other than for not keeping her weapon clean)

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2003, 01:05:55 PM »
The poor kid has been thrue enough

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2003, 01:05:59 PM »
Mini D: They are continuing to do so, and somehow spinning it so the military is being blamed for it.  How ironic.

 Military knew immediately after her "rescue" that she had no gunshot or stab wounds. All they had to do was say so, not let media print lies for weeks.

 Military knew before they've got her that it was a retrieval, not a rescue. Military knew immediately after the operation that there was no enemy contact, no shots firedm no fire taken. All they had to do was say so, not let media print lies for weeks.


 Sarge,
 Mini-14 is may not be as good as M14 but it uses the same ammo as M-16, has the same low recoil and weight and is as reliable as an M14 chambered for .223 can be.
 .223 is a much deadlier round at close range (<150 yards) than an AK-47 round. One fragmented M855 bullet would turn your insides to mush where 7.62x39 would punch clean through with minimum damage.

 As for making tens of thousands of second-line personnel clean their weapons every night, you would get tens of people got shot by accident - as actually happened before the brass forbade such practice and took away their bullets.

 miko

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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2003, 01:06:29 PM »
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I can't deny they tried to build it up, but the media took very little and ran in all directions with it.  They are continuing to do so, and somehow spinning it so the military is being blamed for it.  How ironic.

I agree.
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Military knew immediately after the operation that there was no enemy contact, no shots firedm no fire taken.

Not entirely true.  Support choppers ahead of the landing craft did fire on guard towers.
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.....not let media print lies for weeks. .

Nice.  It's the military's fault the media printed false information?
« Last Edit: November 07, 2003, 01:11:57 PM by Mickey1992 »

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2003, 01:31:43 PM »
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Military knew immediately after her "rescue" that she had no gunshot or stab wounds. All they had to do was say so, not let media print lies for weeks.
Like I said... it's being spun to be the military's fault... even by you.
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Military knew before they've got her that it was a retrieval, not a rescue. Military knew immediately after the operation that there was no enemy contact, no shots firedm no fire taken. All they had to do was say so, not let media print lies for weeks.
Second paragraph in a row that had "midia lies" in it.  Second paragraph in a row where you blamed the military for it.

Like I said... ironic.

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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2003, 01:42:25 PM »
Military had several press-conferences during that time. They only had to say once what truth they knew about Jessika.

 You damn right I am blaming military for it. I am sure they were the ones that gave the media the false information.

 I bet there was no reporters persent during the "rescue" raid.  How did the media learned about that raid and got hold of the IR video recording but not about any of other raids by SF?
 I bet it was not a lucky guess or a crystall ball that made media attribute the Jessica exactly the same wounds that the body of Donald Walters had.

 They leaked false info, than sat and watched it being spun. What's so ironic? They are liars with "plausible deniability" as long as the journalists keep shut about their sources. Noting unusual.

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2003, 02:02:26 PM »
The only thing this whole ordeal has done is to reinforce my assertions that the media is the spawn of a Hitler/Stalin/Elton John love fest.

Its amazing that people still don't see the media for what it is, going for ratings and nothing more. You don't need truth or facts to get ratings, and people will still gobble it up like Thanksgiving leftovers.

The only thing that seperates the National Enquirer from Fox or CNN, or any other media outlet, is that the National Enquirer knows they are full of it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2003, 02:03:22 PM »
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/TheViolationOfJessicaLynch.html

It all started with an article in The Washington Post by Susan Schmidt, the resident feminist columnist (along with a male colleague). She quoted an unidentified U.S. official and reported that [10] "Pfc. Jessica Lynch, rescued Tuesday from an Iraqi hospital, fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldiers after Iraqi forces ambushed the Army's 507th Maintenance Company, firing her weapon until she ran out of ammunition...Lynch, a 19-year-old supply clerk, continued firing at Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds and watched several other soldiers in her unit die around her in fighting  March 23, one official said...'She was fighting to the death,' the official said. 'She did not want to be taken alive.' Lynch was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her position, the official said, noting that initial intelligence reports indicated that she had been stabbed to death. No official gave any indication …, however, that Lynch's wounds had been life-threatening."

       Although not identifying her sources by name, Schmidt wrote that, "Reports thus far are based on battlefield intelligence [the officials] said, which comes from monitored communications and from Iraqi sources in Nasiriyah whose reliability has yet to be assessed. Pentagon officials said they had heard 'rumors' of Lynch's heroics but had no confirmation." But such cautions did not stop the radical feminist propaganda mill onslaught in the nation's mass newspapers. They simply had to invent a hero image for the tiny soldier in the face of the embarrassing accounts that three females in the 507th had either been captured or killed. Two of these women were single mothers with toddler dependent children. How could America face the fact that the feminists, purely for career and political considerations, were responsible for orphaning these little children by sending their mothers into combat zones where death and capture were their constant companions? How, indeed. The simple defense was to override the dark side of women-in-combat by beating the media drums for the heroic little 'warrior,' Pvt. Jessica Lynch.

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2003, 02:08:03 PM »
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It Sucks when you come to our country and it doesn't meet your expectations doesn't it? To bad we can't be as good as your home country.


I gotta say that the above statement firmly plants you in the realm of "handsomehunk".

What Miko wrote about how a democratic society is supposed to work is quite correct.  

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...But i dont like posts that flame anything about the US from anyone , instead they should be thankful that they have the freedom of opinion and the right to do as they please....


You see the contradiction?

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2003, 02:10:40 PM »
i only chose the ak47 cause you can get it with a folding stock,30 round and drum clips for it, and it dont have to be cleaned cleaned like our M16's do. Ask any one on the reciving end of a Ak 47 if it wasnt that good. rmemebr Machine guns were made for fire suppresion making the enemy duck and to take many out and to slow forward progress of the enemy..and i was taugt to clean weapon every chance i got even if under fire but not under direct fire. that is why we were trained to field strip it clean it fast and put it back together. and we also used (rubbers) to cover flash compressor to stop sand and dirt from enetering bore....lol sine rifle was more important than women to protect it from the sand. and it does have a dust cover on it to protect reciever. but if your not under fire and your sitting there knowing you are at war and can be fired upon at any moment i would clean it .. cause getting killed cleaning it and getting killed cause it jammed is still dead, So better chances field striping it and doing basic cleaning is your better bet. This was from experience in field you always have time to clean it after using it. If your alive that is.

your Weapons are you Tools of the trade neglect them and your trade suffers and people Die , well if you clean it people die but the right ones...lol come to thinnk about it the mattel toy i had the M16 full auto was jaming alot. but mostly from the magazine . I remember one time firing it it jammed and when i looked inside i had two rounds trying to go in. we adjust the spring in the clip  and hit the magazine against leg or helmet to seat rounds in clip which helped till they fixed that problem..

Funny feels like in training again and teaching 09boo's the benefits of a clean weapon..lol so they should stop shaming and clean clean clean..lol

and for Furiuos that was from statements i seen on channel one actually not with anything posted in this thread.. But they say it to ruffle feathers there and piss people off i guess. but that refers to them and to the ones that flame us on TV and in Print and it just aggravates me when it is done, that what that meant, was on my mind when typing.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2003, 02:33:13 PM »
I remember a time a few months ago I was ranting how her medals did many others who sacrificed for their country discredit.  At that time some of BushCo's Hemorrhoids (thats right MiniD im calling you out) were chastising saying envy and other fargan bastage BS..

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92045

Hate to sound arrogant (not really) but looks like im right once again...

The numbskulls may be able be able to pull the wool over some 50 million americans (do not call list, yeah right. ) but Im not so easily mislead...


Hats off to the Brits at least your population hasn't been brainwashed to the degree of our warmongering nation;  and keep the pressure on.. (Blair has been under the hotseat lately in the House of Commons, thanks cspan  I wish our govt ran with that intensity)  


If  Bush does not get elected (unless another travesty, hanging chad, diebold riggable software anyone? take your pick) I got 3 to 1 odds whole bunch of skeletons and other trash will start spewing out of the white house..

Any reason the 9-11 commision still doesn't have the information or they going to stall till after election time...


My 2 cents.


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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2003, 02:33:49 PM »
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well about command and training. i was a sgt squad leader i did all that it was my resoposiblity to keep then trained and up td date. Your told frm day 1 almost on keeping the weapon cleaned an doperational cuase it will save your life.. that was pounded into their heads . Sgts go thru NCO school and are trained over and over again what they are to do for the people below them. the indivdual soldier to the CO have to train theor people. Why in a desert situation some werent pushed to keeping weapons clean.


Absolutely. That's why this whole engagement started to stink for me when the first reports came out of the epidemic of jammed weapons. Something is FU, and it doesn't seem to be only at the isolated small unit level according to some of the stuff posted over at SFTT/Hackworth.com It's not unlikely that much of this "hero" spin was to cover up serious training infrastructure problems and cover Pentagon ass. You can have all the tag lines and all the black barets in the world, but without training and combat focus good people die that didn't need to die.

As I posted in the other thread on the topic:

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The real story from that incident continues to go mainly uncovered -- the high percentage of jammed weapons, lack of basic CTT training and lack of solid leadership and soldier skills when it counted. It's not the soldiers fault, it is the fault of their senior commanders and command policy.

- It's telling that Pvt. Miller hadn't shot a weapon in about a year before the ambush. You're in a combat support unit granted, but obviously you are operating in a hostile envoronment and no range time before deployment? No opportunity to zero a weapon or knock the rust off markmanship? Anybody's who has been in the Army or Marines please tell me that this is not an outrage.

- The M2 .50 jammed. I wonder if there was range time to set headspace and timing? A reliable weapon once it's adjusted.

- Aside from NBC, how solid were these soldiers on CTT? How many could perfrom immediate action automatically?

- Who was riding their bellybutton to make sure the weapons were clean, dustcovers closed, barrel end capped and ready for action? Was that a priority?

- Who taught the immediate leadeship NCOs and Officers in the convoy (hell the troops of course too) how to react to an ambush? What was their security posture? How much had they trained for such events?

Here a take on our current "Two Armies of One" coddled support soldiers atmosphere. March of the Porcelain Soldiers  

It does heroic soldiers who did the best with what they had to work with (training wise) no favor to ignore what appears to be serious lapses in focus. This wasn't a victory, but it does represent a chance to promote change.

Charon


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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2003, 02:44:28 PM »
DoctorYO... you were being a tard in that thread.  If you still feel that response was merrited then you are still a tard.
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I've never met a single person that had the bronze star that felt they earned it. I've met plenty that criticize any metal any individual receives.

One I respect... the other I don't.

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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2003, 02:55:47 PM »
And one more thing, while your comments about weapon jams etc are very valid, In my opinion the real catalyst to this cluster was the baboon commander who upon getting lost decided to back track in a hostile enviroment..  This action alerted the iraqis to mobilize and then engage them..

Rule number 1 in a convoy is never stop..

Rule number 2 never backtrack..

Both rules were broken..  and as a result that commanders unit got maimed..

Hope our goverment takes a good long look at this..  you can have the best shooting soldiers on the planet and still fail if your troops cannot find the battlefield...

Rants end...


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