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Offline jordi

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« on: November 08, 2003, 12:18:10 PM »
This will be a mix of 8th AF and RAF Missions vs. the LW. The RAF missions will be flown at DUSK ( NOT DARK ).

We have a new Euro Terrain that we are working on for the Scenario.

Proposed dates will be in the Month of FEB 04.

We are finalizing the Rules and info as we speak.

We are REALLY Looking to get some dedicated Bomber Squadrons to sign up for this. The out come of the scenario is dependent on the Escorts getting the Bombers to the Target, the Bombers getting their Bomb loads ON the Target and the Escorts getting as many of those bombers home ! All the while the LW is trying to STOP the bombers from reaching the target, making hard enough that those that do make it to the target MISS and trying to shoot down and stragglers that get separated on the way home back to England. Every Bomber / Crew shoot down is 1 less that will return on the next mission ( Figuratively not literally ).

One aspect that will come into play is the actual ACCURACY on the bomb drops the bomber groups achieve. It does no good for the war effort if you get to the target but you can not put the pickle in the barrel !

It is also important for the Escort Groups to be aware that getting the bombers to and from the target is more important than individual kill totals.

The same is true for the LW. Racking up Fighter kills does nothing to keep the bombers away from the factories they are trying to bomb. Also living for another flight is more important than a suicide run against outnumbered odds.

We will post some more info in this thread as we get more stuff nailed down.

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We will also be looking for Potential Squadron Leaders and Command staff postions and opposing CO's

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2003, 12:50:08 PM »
In the vote choices the scenario changes from a 4 frame/Saturday only event to a 5 or 7 frame event.  I think there must be a mistake there.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2003, 12:51:22 PM »
No,

The vote is to see if enough people even WANT any weekday Evening Frames.

So if you want it to remain the same - pick Choice A.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2003, 12:53:05 PM »
Please POST your Scenario comments here.

Please POST your RURH POLL Thoughts her also

RUHR Scenario poll thread can be found here.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=100882&referrerid=4535

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2003, 12:53:41 PM »
Well.... 3+2=5 and 4+3=7.

I don't think I could give 5 frames let alone 7 frames to one scenario.

Edit: Put me down for 4 frames in any time slot you settle on :D

Voted A. -- Because it's 4 frames and my friends in Europe can play.  They're more likely to fly LW then the US guys and without LW pilots it won't be fun so I guess I'm looking for them to come try to shoot me down. ;)
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2003, 03:57:25 PM »
That's it. We can not play at 10 PM EST (4 AM here). Maybe if you change times, i'll vote for more than 4 frames.  I'll wait for possible changes and vote.


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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2003, 05:13:58 PM »
Hi All,
 Definately A,

If you want weekday frames can I suggest Friday, More people have Saturday off than mid week and any weekday frame at US friendly time rules out most of Europe. (Unless they fancy getting up at..... or staying up until....... 4am.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2003, 09:39:02 PM »
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Originally posted by snafu
If you want weekday frames can I suggest Friday, More people have Saturday off than mid week and any weekday frame at US friendly time rules out most of Europe. (Unless they fancy getting up at..... or staying up until....... 4am.

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Would LOVE to use Fridays - but that is the same time as Friday Night Squad OPS and we do not want to displace BOTH Squad Ops and CAP just for the Scenario.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2003, 03:47:31 AM »
But you are willing to displace european timed scenario players by running the weekday frames?

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2003, 07:58:33 AM »
Gents,

I'm a euro player (gmt+1) and a co-designer of the Ruhr event.

What we are trying to do is a more complex scenario, but we will not go that way if you don't like this :)

The reason we are proposing the weekday US friendlt frames is simple - we can propose it :)
There are more US pilots that could fly a weekday frames then Euro pilots that could do the same in a Euro friendly time.
Starting from this point, we decided to propose the idea of doing a "minor" frames just for the pilots that can attend them.
We are sure that we will not have a full roster there, however if we can run a minro frame (small mission) for 100 pilots, it's still worth trying (in our opinion).
I will not attend that ones as well, but from my point of view i'd like to give a US pilots a chance to have fun.

Now, if the Euro crowd (like me :) ) would like to register for a Euro friendly weekday frame(s) or the Ruhr scenario - i'd love to give it a go as well :)

So basically it's about the numbers here.

Once looking at this i can't see a US pilots voting for the weekday frame (yet) but i see Euros voting against it. If it will stay that way we just won't run it and will stick to Saturdays only. If some more Euros will express the desire of attending a euro friendly weekday frmae we will most likely discuss and propose a Euro fromedly minor frames :)

It's all in your hands folks!

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2003, 11:10:53 AM »
Hi all !

vote:  - A -

I'm euro player but I suggest Friday  :aok

Wake up at 4.00 am ???  -   why not  :lol


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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2003, 04:24:30 PM »
Dasko,
to be sure your vote got counted (i may forget about that one here!) please vote in this thread :)
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100882

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2003, 04:29:18 PM »
Since there aren't a lot of details in this thread I will make a couple of suggestions.

Dusk is worse then nighttime imho. The red glow makes it harder to see then regular night.

My suggestion would be to go ahead with full night. I am not sure how you have the radar set but imho the Germans should utilize gci's just like in BoB. With radar bases set and assigned to a 3rd country. They would then be manned by an axis player who relays radar information to the axis command.

Here's an interesting link:

http://www.stable.demon.co.uk/general/bomb.htm

The LW had decent radar and even "window" wasn't all that effective in masking the bombers. The LW used many different tactics to over come this. Night bombing of the Ruhr is historic and I think that night in combination of good gci it should be pretty fun. Planes with onboard radar are a problem but this can be made up with the neon icons and good gci.

I hate nighttime. I didnít want night in Okinawa. It turned out to be fun. I also hate dusk more then night. Nighttime might not be popular with some folks but the LW put far fewer planes up at night compared to daytime. The same can be said for allied night fighters.

Now the night fighter mossies had radar as well so this would need to be addressed as well. Maybe allow a few allied gciís to man the some of the 3rd country radar bases. They can then relay info to the mossies.

BTW as long as you keep the Saturday frames so I donít think it matters what happens during the week. The only problem would be scoring. If the during the week one side is seriously outnumbered then its unfair to all the participants to allow what happens during the weekday frames to have a large impact on the event overall.

I vote for staying with the tried and true.

One of my ex-squaddies wants to bribe some one into allowing a few Ta 152s. Name your price and I will have him contact you. :p
« Last Edit: November 09, 2003, 04:34:40 PM by Batz »

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2003, 04:48:21 PM »
hi Batz :)

We are going to go with something like this:




also, Germans will have a 3rd country radar controllers and radar sites (the Kammehuber line and himmelbettach" radar sites :)

Unfortunatelly Ta's won't be included as it's goaan be mid '43 ;)

Thanks for the inpot and for the link... i will read the info there for sure! :)

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2003, 01:47:20 AM »
Yeah I know what "dusk" in ah looks like and the red glow on the western horizon is worse (atleast imo) then "night time".

Ofcourse at night anyone who can will just adjust their gamma/brightness to make it "not so much like night". Neither setting is perfect but theres not much else.