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Offline scJazz

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« on: December 07, 2003, 09:36:47 AM »
Sunday, December 7th, 1941...

On this day 62 years after the fact it is becoming more and more difficult to understand what was so important about this event. Pearl Harbor is the WTC of our parents and grandparents. The single greatest loss of American lives on American soil since the Civil War.

I'm opening this thread for comments and rememberances.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 09:58:07 AM »
I think 911 makes it much more clear why pearl harbor was so important..

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2003, 04:30:24 PM »
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I think 911 makes it much more clear why pearl harbor was so important..
Pearl Harbor is different than 9-11 and Pearl Harbor is worst than 9-11.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2003, 06:41:17 PM »
I think 911 makes it much more clear why pearl harbor was so important..

   Well put.

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2003, 09:24:22 PM »
Those two events are nothing like each other in anyway, except the fact Americans were attacked.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2003, 09:31:30 PM »
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Those two events are nothing like each other in anyway, except the fact Americans were attacked.


Consitering the Rarity of an event of such magnitude (measured in dead and wounded at the mathematical level. if nothing else) I think that it's enough of a similarity to compare the two.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2003, 10:17:05 PM »
Those two events are nothing like each other in anyway, except the fact Americans were attacked.

What does it matter to you anyway?

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2003, 10:56:04 PM »
Maybe something having to do with the fact this post belongs in the O'club?

 I don't see Japanese people coming in these forums posting about Hiroshima, or German folks about Dresden, do you?

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2003, 02:30:23 AM »
lol, The Japanese atacked us because we started it basicaly( back when we forced them at gun point to trade with us), the Germans atacked the planet because we screwed them after ww1 ( we being the western powers). I am not sayoing that we were not right in our cause, but as Grunherz points out both events are similar in that their rute causes lie in the basic misunderstanding that exists(existed) between two totaly different cultures.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2003, 02:35:08 AM »
I don't see Japanese people coming in these forums posting about Hiroshima, or German folks about Dresden, do you?

No, I just see you pissing and moaning. As far as Dresden and Hiroshima, better them than us.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2003, 09:19:36 AM »
You know... the thread was for the CT group to ponder Pearl Harbor. Wish I had the delete button now.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2003, 11:00:21 AM »
Live and learn Jazz:)

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2003, 12:06:40 PM »
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lol, The Japanese atacked us because we started it basicaly( back when we forced them at gun point to trade with us), the Germans atacked the planet because we screwed them after ww1 ( we being the western powers). I am not sayoing that we were not right in our cause, but as Grunherz points out both events are similar in that their rute causes lie in the basic misunderstanding that exists(existed) between two totaly different cultures.



Hmmmm,

We're missing some basic history here folks. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was the logical culmination of events that started in the 19th century. The primary goal was the creation of a Japanese empire focused primarily on the assets of the british and french in the pacific (the US having no real holdings). Japan was a nation with strong ambitions that found itself choked off from growth by european colonies in Asia. The Russo-japanese war of 1905 and invasion of Manchuria both are part of the same series of events.

As for Hitler, simply look at England under Chamberlain to find all your answers. Germany attacked the world because it was allowed to...nothing more nothing less...but yes they were overly abused after WW1.

As for 9/11 ... It was very similiar to Pearl Harbor, we have been at war with Muslim terrorists for well over 20 years...we simply didnt want to admit it or deal with it. We were actually "at war" with Japan for over 20 years as well...or rather both enities were at war with us. We have a sad history of ignoring threats to our well being from afar. As the world "shrinks" our isolationist heritage continues to cause endless issues.

In the end both were attacks by people with whom we had no real problems (from our end) and who underestimated both our resolve and cababilities.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2003, 03:10:24 PM »
I agree with Storch. Storch is just being honest and I think that the reasons behind US actions in the world today can only really be explained by an attitude like that. Just dont confuse the issue with some kind of moral or defence justification.

I totaly aggree with Humble.
But Humble. How does the invasion of Iraq fit in to your comparison?

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2003, 07:08:36 PM »
Pongo

I don't think it does, the core of the issue is a jihad which is "justified" by a series of fatwah's (sp?). Given my limited grey matter I dont pretend to understand it all...but basically it somehow justifies a religious war against western interests. You can justify the invasion of Iraq other ways if you want but it has little effect on the course of this "war" from bin ladens perspective. You cant fight a religious (or ideological) war by attacking a territorial objective. The French & US learned it in Indo-China, the russians in Afganistan and Israel & Saudi Arabia are dealing with it now. Realistically it will be one of the two major struggles which shape the next decade.

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