Author Topic: Thunderbird F-16 cockpit video of ejection at Mountain Home AFB crash. (Read 2424 times)

SaburoS · « **Reply #30 on:** December 12, 2003, 03:33:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
He was doing a loop and lost power at the top. As anyone that knows anything about F-16s they know they turn into lawn darts when they lose an engine.

Yes the ejection seat worked perfect, the ACES II performed a text book mode 1 (low alt) ejection. I work on ejection seats for a living and it is really good to see when the equipment that I work on that we cant really test out works as advertised.

Actually it looks like he was zoom climbing off the runway and pulled a split-S too soon (Tuomio called it.) Looks like he stalled it into the ground (almost pulled it out). Sheesh so close. Looks like another hundred feet or so of alt and he would of made it.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 12, 2003, 03:48:40 AM »

There are two videos of the F-16 crashing. One video was taped by a spectator. Unless there was another F-16 flying nearby, you can hear a jet engine roaring, and it stops about a half second after the F-16 explodes on the ground.

Heres the link: http://idaho.indymedia.org/uploads/5101714.rm

Raubvogel, you are a waste of human tissue. I have no desire to berate you when I think of the reasons that you spend so many hours per day on this message board.

mora · « **Reply #32 on:** December 12, 2003, 07:29:16 AM »

I don't know the vector of the plane in this picture but if it would be under full power it could have been able to recover? Looks to me like it's a dropping like a brick with very high AOA.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** December 12, 2003, 07:36:35 AM »

Thanks god we have davidpt40 here, at least we get to be "in" on the real facts unlike those fool Air Force types who actually were there and saw it themsleves - they know nothing.

BTW david I have it on good authority that 138 genuine red white and blue 100% American field mice and associated rodentia were wiped out in that F16 crash and subsequent grass fire, I hope this will, to some small extent, ease your suffereing caused by the dastardly American pilots survival.

Otto · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2003, 09:44:31 AM »

He hit a Turkey, you can see the feathers.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** December 12, 2003, 09:50:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Otto
He hit a Turkey, you can see the feathers.

Yes, definitely, a turkey was also killed!

muckmaw · « **Reply #36 on:** December 12, 2003, 09:53:56 AM »

Gunslinger-

Question for you.

Where is the ejection handle on the ACESII? Are there more than one?

Also, in older seats there is a handle over the headrest for ejection. Does that one pull a shield over the pilots face or is that the much older seats? The older seat I'm talking about here is like the one on the A-6 and F-14.

Thanks.

Scootter · « **Reply #37 on:** December 12, 2003, 10:50:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
He was doing a loop and lost power at the top. As anyone that knows anything about F-16s they know they turn into lawn darts when they lose an engine.

Yes the ejection seat worked perfect, the ACES II performed a text book mode 1 (low alt) ejection. I work on ejection seats for a living and it is really good to see when the equipment that I work on that we cant really test out works as advertised.

Gun is his AB on and Hstab in up position in the first pic here?
http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/indextb.htm

Chaos68 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 12, 2003, 11:59:38 AM »

good god! 2 seconds after he ejected!

gofaster · « **Reply #39 on:** December 12, 2003, 12:19:17 PM »

I know all about mushing airplanes into the ground. I've lost most of my Yak9Us in the MA that way. So I'm in there; I know what I'm talking about!

Obviously he was pulling some serious G's - you can see the contrails coming from the inboard leading edge of the slats. In my expert opinion, the engine failed due to the stresses and he belly-flopped it.

Chairboy · « **Reply #40 on:** December 12, 2003, 12:46:54 PM »

An F-16 failing due to G-stresses that a pilot is conscious through?

I'll call shenanigans on that one. From what I've seen on Discovery, the F-16 is should theoretically be functional doing maneuvers that would kill the pilot because it's just that strong. I suspect this includes the engine as well, otherwise the jet wouldn't be terribly useful in a modern dogfight.

gofaster · « **Reply #41 on:** December 12, 2003, 01:56:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
An F-16 failing due to G-stresses that a pilot is conscious through?

Stress fracture in the fuselage would affect everything in the "center barrel" but not necessarily something up front.

I crash Yak9U's every week, so I'm in there! I know what I'm talkin' about!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2003, 02:41:06 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Gunslinger-

Question for you.

Where is the ejection handle on the ACESII? Are there more than one?

Also, in older seats there is a handle over the headrest for ejection. Does that one pull a shield over the pilots face or is that the much older seats? The older seat I'm talking about here is like the one on the A-6 and F-14.

Thanks.

Good Question:

Most USAF planes Use the ACES II (advanced concept ejection system) In the F-16 the fire control handle is right between the pilots leggs. This version of the seat only has ONE ejection control handle....On the right hand side there is a Emerg Restraint release handle wich is a back up to the parachute mortor and restraint release systems. The reason for the handle being in the middle is because the flight control stick on the F-16 is on the right hand console as apposed to being in the middle.

On the F-15 F-117 B1b, A10, F22, Ect ACES II seats the controls are on the seat sides. There are two of them but they are both connected together....u pull one and both will fire there perspective initiators.

The Ejection system your referring to in the F14 ( with the loops at the top of the seat) is a Martin Baker. Its a really good british design. Admittedly I dont know much about the martin baker only that it has a more succseful rate of firing under water (wich is why the navy uses it) I do know that the USAF will be using the MB in the F-35 JSF

Gunslinger · « **Reply #43 on:** December 12, 2003, 02:47:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Scootter
Gun is his AB on and Hstab in up position in the first pic here?
http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/indextb.htm

I see he is in full burner and it looks like his elevators or pulling up but I dont see the air brakes deployed

Keep in mind gents these are thunder bird jets they dont fly alone so there's gonna be other jets flying.

Secondly you could still hear engine sounds coming from the airplane....I'm not an engine guy but I do know that could be the APU goin or the engine itself but with just no thrust

Wolfala · « **Reply #44 on:** December 12, 2003, 03:02:26 PM »

Has anyone considered the possibility of a compressor stall during a high G - high AOA pullout? Clearly he had power, but might've lost it for a short while if the engine hickup'd.

~~Wolfala~~