Originally posted by Tac:"Does it all boil down to have the altitude advantage, keep your nose up, and don’t press the attack"Thats about it. If you follow a con into a dive (unless its a 1-1 OR if the con is a yak/n1k/la7/high E p51) you basically serve yourself as bait for others. For some reason, people see a cloud of 190's, 109's, 205's, n1ks and la7s...and 1 P38... and guess who gets bounced by 2+ cons? "P38L: loss of control appeared to be about 510 MPH" Gee wizz.. I WISH. The plane will actually break apart at that speed. Fastest ive been is about 490 nearing 500..compressed the whole way and staying in a 20 degree dive (or it will be impossible to pull out of b4 the plane sheds the wings). Compression usually hits around 410-460 depending on alt."P38L: Stalled at 8,000 feet" sounds about right.. if you pulled up and trimmed the thing with WEP on till it stalled.Popeye: slow 38 without using flaps..well, lets say it wont be in 1 piece for very long. Minus: You were turning on the side of the dead engine right? it does give you about 20% better turn (i'd say). Specially if you have flaps deployed.Pdog: play with your keymap, it can be done. Or better yet, get the suncom dual throttle for only $60