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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2001, 08:14:00 PM »
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brady never argued for more lw stuff even though hes in a lw oriented squad.

What is it you see?

He simply would like to see more japanese italian russian finish french etc stuff.

He cant express that?


He just seems a little ungrateful, hard to satisfy. Kind of like the spoiled brat you see in the store pulling at his/her mothers dress, kicking and screaming because she says no.

I am for one happy with how HTC is progressing. I used to play WB's and remember how stagnant the game got.

No offence brady, I think you are an OK dude, just disagree with how you see this.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »
Watch your step watjen.

Calling the Commonwealth's participation in the Pacific "shreckless" (weak, ineffective, worthless, irresponsible) when it came at the loss of thousands of lives is horrendously offensive and highly innacurate.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2001, 09:44:00 PM »
Naa I gotta agree with Brady.  He has been probably the most vocal in the pursuit of more non-american stuff.  I don't feel he is errm whatever ammo said.
Now that Aces is cheaper I wonder if it won't become more accessible to foreign customers (eek from outside of north america)  If so, more foreign units will only endear HTC to these customers which in turn will lead to possibly a larger player base.
Adding the P40 or P51H won't attract as many players as perhaps the ki84, or mossie would.


My thots... who knows if they are accurate..

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2001, 09:47:00 PM »
It seems to me that this US plane type conspiracy is a figment of AXIS pilots imaginations.  I prefer US planes but it has nothing to do with national origin, I just prefer planes with good high-speed handling and lots of ammo.  I fly non-US planes too.  But most of the LW pilots or Russian pilots or Italian pilots fly ONLY the planes of those countries.

So far HTC has concentrated on late war aircraft, so you end up with a lot of US aircraft.  The US had a lot of planes designed after 1940.  You should be checking what % of US fighter types built in WWII are modeled in AH, what % of UK, Russian, Jap, German, Italian.  For example, about half the Jap fighters built were some version of the Zero, so having the A6M5 modeled covers about half the Japanese fighters built, though with a late war slant.

Of the US types only the CHog and the P51 are uber.  The 109G10 and the Tempest and the Niki and the La7 are uber too.  It really isn't that far from reality.  HTC is gradually adding more planes, with the Hurri2C coming it's clear that they are starting to model non-late war planes.

So quitchersqueakin!    :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2001, 10:17:00 PM »
Keiran,

Throughout the war, the average life-expectancy for a Russian soldier on the Eastern Front was not long, compared to the Germans... there were very few Russian soldiers who were 'battle-hardened', this is a sad but true fact.

What was it? 1 German lost for every 15-20 Russian's killed?

Everyone missing my original point and mis-construing it to hypothetical situations.

I give up.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2001, 11:33:00 PM »
I'ld have to argue that Watjen, especially considering all the talks I've had with my German uncles who actually served on the East Front against Russia (you don't want to hear the the Russian prison camp stories).

If you drop the naive "USA can't be beat" crap and actually sit down and do the research on the subject you WILL realise that Russia vs Germany was the main event.  That land war raged for 4 years, while the Western Front only was 1 year.  That alone will let you know where all the fighting was taking place.

And calling the Russian army a bunch of morons who can't do anything right is load of lies too.  If they were so inept, why did the US and Nato then spend 50 years spending trillions of dollars trying to keep tabs on them.

 
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Everyone missing my original point and mis-construing it to hypothetical situations.

You mean this quote?

 
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Maybe because it was the United States which played the largest part in the defeat of the Axis?

Ok, lets be really clear about this.  Your 100% WRONG!  The US did NOT win the war.

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2001, 11:47:00 PM »
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Originally posted by SKurj:
 I don't feel he is errm whatever ammo said.

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<S> I just called the way i saw it. It looked like a whine to me, but like you said, I may not be accurate.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2001, 12:08:00 AM »
wtf u talking about ra

 
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It seems to me that this US plane type conspiracy is a figment of AXIS pilots imaginations. I prefer US planes but it has nothing to do with national origin, I just prefer planes with good high-speed handling and lots of ammo. I fly non-US planes too. But most of the LW pilots or Russian pilots or Italian pilots fly ONLY the planes of those countries.

look at karnak's  list.......

No mention of conspiracy

Brady flies axis planes why dont you check his stats to see which one.

He like a lot of other folks would like to see equipment modelled from other countries.
How does that equate to "allied conspiracy"?

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2001, 12:24:00 AM »
+) <$> Wotan!!  you beat me to it.

I do not call this any sort of conspiracy myself.  We can fly P51's F4U's in any number of sims on the market, boxed or otherwise.  I, like brady, would like to fly some of the less common aircraft from other nations, just for a change of scenery if for nothing else.
I am curious about what other country's air forces have to offer.  Its not about conspiracy crap.  I realize alot of the US stuff is easier to model, and I accept that.  I would just like to see just a little more effort spent on "other" aircraft.
The TU-2 maybe a sign of things to come!! +)

Brady has been lobbying for other aircraft for as long as I can remember, and I salute him for it!! <$>


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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2001, 01:41:00 AM »
Bah.

There's only one Force.

The US Army Air Force.

<get off yer bellybutton and SALUTE, soldier!!>

Accept no imitations. Everybody else just flies wannabe planes.

We need More Jugs, More Pony's, More P38's, Liberators, P40's P39's P61's A20's A26A's..

MORE MORE!!

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2001, 01:48:00 AM »
Mosquito FB.Mk VI Series 2 will make all your dreams come true.

Eh!

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2001, 02:34:00 AM »
While this is the wrong place to discuss who won the war, quite a few put their 2 cents in...

Even if we never fired a shot, without US production capabilities, the ships that hauled the equipment, and the Navy that enabled their delivery, neither Russia nor Britain would have made it. Also, we were Japan's primary source of materials prior to the war. Denying Japan the resources she needed to take over Asia is why she declared war on us in the first place.

The U.S. was the only country with both the resources and the resolve to produce enough ships (both war and merchant) fast enough and long enough to control the ocean and thereby control the world to this very day. Germany, without a real Navy was doomed to control only mainland Europe (they couldn't keep Africa supplied) and Japan without its own steel could only fight a short war.

By no means did the U.S. win the war by itself. Almost the entire world struggled against the Axis while the U.S. lazily got its war machine in full gear. In both theaters, costly fighting retreats bought the U.S. the time it needed to build up the production capability needed to turn the tide against the Axis.

Stalingrad was the pivotal point in Europe, much more important than D-Day. But if the U.S. had allowed Britain to fall, the full might of Germany might have overcome the Russians.

In my opinion, acting alone the U.S. would have been able to hold out for such a long time that it could have negotiated a peace with the axis, or even singlehandedly fought and defeated both of them. But speculation is meaningless. All that matters is the end result. Anyone on mainland Europe and Asia paid dearly in lost lives. Only people living in places isolated by oceans were spared death, imprisonment, and/or subjugation.

As for the inefficiency of Russians in combat, our data is largely based on German records which were previously assumed to be very accurate, but have recently been determined to be nearly as unreliable as our own inflated combat reports.

For a lesson in U.S. propaganda, try researching our kill ratio in Korea against MiGs, I can assure you it wasn't even close to the U.S. claim of 10 to 1 (which was only true during a limited period of the war).
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2001, 03:05:00 AM »
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Maybe because it was the United States which played the largest part in the defeat of the Axis?

You're either being sarcastic or tremendously ignorant  :)

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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2001, 04:01:00 AM »
"... Personally I believe that if a P47 looks like a "jug" then a 190 looks like a perfume bottle with it's delicate little fuselage and nipped in area in front of the tail..."

- lasz

lol, somehow i felt this was relevent. i was waiting for a chance to use that and btw screw you lasz the 190 is a beaut and 109 looks like a greek goddess. prominant nose and graceful lines ahhh....love...   :D

more on topic: i don't mind seeing more u.s. stuff, i agree we need to diversify (japanese, russian, italian etc) but i like anything that will bring variety.

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2001, 05:01:00 AM »
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Hmm... I would say that the US pretty much defeated Japan on it's own, except for some shreckless participation by the UK/Commonwealth.

 Mate, our countries were fighting the good fight for nearly 2 years (for the second war running) before your wonderful americans came and decided to win it for us.
 Thanks for that by the way, and for lending us all the guns to fight with as well....But don't ever,ever,EVER think we were just hanging around waiting for you to come rescue us.
 Last I saw you americans did diddly all in the BOB, or in the middle east while the ANZAC's, Canadians, Pommies, South Africans and the rest of the 'token' commonwealth were fighting, and winning battles against the Germans.
 And don't worry, I haven't forgotten the war that you helpfully had a hand in causing in the pacific. Lucky for us, you didn't allow Australia to fall..or you wouldn't have had a place to retreat to.
 I'm sure all the diggers who gave their lives in singapore, and New Guinea are happy that you can take all the credit.

 Tronsky

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