best outcome from space exploration:

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by kappa
If you die at the hands of someone that opposses your religion, you have infact died for your religion.......

So this tidbit is completely unrelated top your opposition to religion and your beneral wish to see a world without religion.  OKEEEE....

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So this tidbit is completely unrelated top your opposition to religion and your beneral wish to see a world without religion.  OKEEEE....

wow Grun.. can you read? Let me help..

I have not said I want a world w/out religion.. Just to imagine if that were the case...

That quote you made of me was to Iron and his post to me.. sorry I should have quoted him..  Also, what I wrote is true for the point that millions have died in the name of religion or in the name of a god...

Frankly, Im suprised to recieve so much argument over Irons statment that few had died to religion compared to land wars.. He wanted numbers, hence I attempt to give them..

[AKIron]

Originally posted by kappa
wow Grun.. can you read? Let me help..

I have not said I want a world w/out religion.. Just to imagine if that were the case...

That quote you made of me was to Iron and his post to me.. sorry I should have quoted him..  Also, what I wrote is true for the point that millions have died in the name of religion or in the name of a god...

Frankly, Im suprised to recieve so much argument over Irons statment that few had died to religion compared to land wars.. He wanted numbers, hence I attempt to give them..

I can imagine one without religion, I already mentioned two, the Soviet Union and China. Religion may not have been completely abolished there but it most certainly was repressed. How'd you like to live there? No thanks, religion is the search for God and to be a better person. How forgoing this could somehow make us all better people I just don't see.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by kappa
would have to be proof of life on other planets... or life in other areas of the universe...

Perhaps then, man, realizing he is not alone in the universe, would toss aside religious books and realize they were not written by gods, but by his fellow man and thus not w/out sin...

yes, imagine a world with no religion... its easy if you try...

Here you are making a definitre statement of what you wish - a world without religion.   You say the best outcome of space exploration would be that religion be abandoned by mankind.

[kappa]

Originally posted by AKIron
I can imagine one without religion, I already mentioned two, the Soviet Union and China. Religion may not have been completely abolished there but it most certainly was repressed. How'd you like to live there? No thanks, religion is the search for God and to be a better person. How forgoing this could somehow make us all better people I just don't see.

Hardly a good argument Iron.. Since you have never lived in China or Russia you hardly know anything other than propaganda you have read or seen on TV.. Same as me...  Russia is not in the position it's in due to religious repression.. China, with a population of 6 billion??, cant be doing that bad and will be the world's next super power... China is already one of the world's super powers and since China actually produces 'stuff' on a world scale, will challange america on a world trading status soon.. So other than over population, by what would seem happy reproducing individuals, China is doing quite alright as the world turns..

No thanks, religion is the search for God and to be a better person. How forgoing this could somehow make us all better people I just don't see.

Complete non-sense.. The belief that you must have God to be a 'better' person.. God does not make one 'good' and neither does 'religion'.......... This part of your post is rediculous in the least...

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Here you are making a definitre statement of what you wish - a world without religion.   You say the best outcome of space exploration would be that religion be abandoned by mankind.

Ok Grun.. sure thing.. Did you read abit farther to see my real problem was the segragation of religions?? Did ya Grun?? I'm sure you did, just forgot, right??

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by kappa
Complete non-sense.. The belief that you must have God to be a 'better' person.. God does not make one 'good' and neither does 'religion'.......... This part of your post is rediculous in the least...

but you know the way that people become "good"?  Preaching again, I see..

[kappa]

Amazing how some will argure just to tell you your own opinion.. Forget adding anything of purpose.. Just argue with the poster, make up his point of view, then flame with non-sense that was never the point.... LoL  not that there is one anymore...

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
but you know the way that people become "good"?  Preaching again, I see..

Not comprehending what you read again I see...

[GRUNHERZ]

You made blanket staement that religion cannot have the effect of making people "better."  I disagree.  While i certainly see the real negatives of religios extremism you seem to be completly unwilling to acknowledge any positives of religionn in general.

[GRUNHERZ]

If your main concern is extremist sectarian violence why start a threat propsing the best outcome of space exploration was the abandonment of all religion?

Why only post negatives of religion?  if you wanted to discuss solving the problem of extrmist violence why the endless posts of million of dead and very few if any posts of wht should be done abpout it besides your nebulous calls for imagining a world without religion and wishing athe the space program would somehow disparove the existance of god and thus lead to the abandonment of religion.

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You made blanket staement that religion cannot have the effect of making people "better."  I disagree.  While i certainly see the real negatives of religios extremism you seem to be completly unwilling to acknowledge any positives.

OMFG Grun... NO, I didnt!!

2 words for you...

READING COMPREHENSION

I said having God or religion in itself does not make one a better person.. Not verbatum, but if you read the entire paragraph Grun....... 4 sentences...  Remeber, sentences make paragraphs, paragraphs make points....

There are many good religious people There are many good non-religious people... Does this help you??

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If your main concern is extremist sectarian violence why start a threat propsing the best outcome of space exploration was the abandonment of all religion?

Why only post negatives of religion?  if you wanted to discuss solving the problem of extrmist violence why the endless posts of million of dead and very few if any posts of wht should be done abpout it besides your nebulous calls for imagining a world without religion and wishing athe the space program would somehow disparove the existance of god and thus lead to the abandonment of religion.

Once again Grun.. read the thread dude...

I said more had died in the name of god than anything else... <-- not verbatum...

(gawd I cant believe im doing this)

Iron said, more had died in WW2 than ever died in the name of a god. He told me to post numbers to prove my point.. Hence I did..

[GRUNHERZ]

How bout this restate your basic position on religion in one post - use bullet points and be very clear.  Because frankly I dont belive that you have been honest with me so far, your statemts of intent have cahnged too many times and thats why I chosen to be so abrasive and literal in my interpretions of your statements.

[Animal]

heh, check out the thread title.